Friend A - how to navigate n survive PIP ?
Friend A - how to navigate n survive PIP ?
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Sep 26 2025, 02:33 PM, updated 2 months ago
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Helping out a friend in a situation. Let say, Friend A worked at Group HQ for 10 years, then requested for transfer to Subsidiary A for better job exposure. Friend A has a different job experience, the role at Subsidiary A requires more extensive job exposure. No issue until 10 months later, suddenly staffs of Friend A, lodge in complain to HR about his working mistakes. Firstly lodging to HR is only for misconduct issues. Then Friend A, sense a PIP coming, quickly requested to transfer back to Group HQ. Secondly Friend A is an employee of Group HQ, not an official employee of Subsidiary A: Friend A is merely a secondee (as Friend A punya employment contract is under Group HQ), Also have special org chart signed - show Friend A reports to both Group HQ boss & Subsidiary A boss. No official transfer, just email from representatives of Group HQ to transfer back. Friend A transfers and physically work at Group HQ. Suddenly Boss of Subsidiary A, want Friend A to be imposed PIP. Group HQ decided to implement new PIP on new work role. Friend A refuses to go back to Subsidiary A, as a PIP there would be suicidal, as only 10 months Friend A has not fully mastered the role. Question: 1) Since Friend A already started new role at Group HQ, can they impose a new PIP based on new role? 2) They should PIP based on old role, right? 3) Can they force Friend A to transfer back to Subsidiary A? Friend A told me, Friend A die die won't go back to Subsidiary A, because it is suicidal. Want to refuge at Group HQ. |
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Sep 26 2025, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(keybearer @ Sep 26 2025, 05:14 PM) Funky employment arrangement. So don't you think its masterful ?1) Should be no PIP on new role, since you can't justify underperformance on 'new' hire. 2) Old role refers to time in Subsidiary A? Then yes, since you said there's no official transfer so on paper Friend A is still under Subsidiary A. 3) They don't have to if his re-transfer to HQ is not done properly. By right he should still be under Subsidiary A. Like I said, funky. He needs to re-clarify first and foremost his official employment status. Compare the paperworks for his 1st transfer to Subsidiary A and the paperworks for his backtransfer to Group HQ. Pretty sure he needs to agree & sign off on his initial transfer to Subsidiary A, because otherwise it can be construed as employer trying to shelve / do constructive dismissal on him. Also, I know people can have a negative connotation about PIP, but why do people treat is as an automatic death sentence? It's right there in the name, Performance Improvement Plan. You said it yourself, >Friend A has not fully mastered the role. and >role at Subsidiary A requires more extensive job exposure. Generally people expect experienced hire to get the gist of their position during probation period (or earlier). Since you said it's been 10 months + Friend A even got reported for misconduct, isn't a PIP a natural thing to happen? Organization can't wait indefinitely for you to pick up the pace. Friend A has engineered his own safeguards to prevent himself from getting PIP. Firstly Friend A, knowingly took up the position at Subsidiary A to get more better job exposure even though Friend A knew that does not have the necessary experience and skillset to perform the role but wants to learn on the job. However, if learning on the job did not work, and suddenly Friend A has gone into a toxic working environment and Subsidiary A wants to launch a trap, Friend A has to take the back escape route: 1) Org chart with blurred lines: Friend A used to have a head of department, however, HOD was abruptly transferred leaving no clear route. HR of subsidiary A incompetently communicated to Friend A verbally that Friend A is the unofficial HOD. Friend A suddenly has to administrate a bunch of revolting and mutiny staffs. So without this HOD, makes the chain of command even more confusing. 2) Friend A having job contract with Group HQ which insulates from getting PIP from Subsidiary A 3) Friend A once detected early warning of PIP, when was told of complain from staffs, quickly transfer back to Group HQ 4) Even though the bosses wanted Friend A to be imposed PIP at Group HQ, how to impose PIP when Friend A already started a different role ? |
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Sep 29 2025, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Sep 27 2025, 03:42 AM) Was there a contractual signed binding contract friend A, which his employment role&responsibility to work in Subsidiary, which salary is paid by HQ? No contract. If yes, then it is contractual binding that he didn’t perform, thus required to be under PIP. Just a transfer form signed by both parties of HQ and subsidiary |
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Sep 29 2025, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(Chobits @ Sep 27 2025, 09:00 AM) Bro how to PIP friend A / TS ? No contract at all.Takde contract to subsidiary A also. U ingat labour or IR office Bodo ke. If no official transfer cannot do anything la. If they try PIP it's like clear message they want to end you So, if it goes to court, sure fire company lose. Only transfer form signed |
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Sep 29 2025, 11:32 AM
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Sep 29 2025, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Sep 28 2025, 05:29 PM) If the staffs under Friend A took an effort to report to HR, that means Friend A made a big mistake or being so incompetent in a new role. Typically staffs will just vent among themselves or just find a new job if they feel dissatisfied. I see.Friend A reminded me with my ex colleague. He used to be a manager for marketing dept. Then he requested to transfer department to become manager for Operation. It's a different work scope and expectation of the new position are heavier than his previous role. When he requested to transfer back to old dept, he got the old position back, but management already see him in a different point of view. See him as incompetent. End up he resigned from his job. Same situation. Already worked with company for more than 5 years. Sometimes it's better to stay in a position that you already expert rather than taking a risk in doing something new. Unless you quit your job and join a new company. So they don't give him anymore promotion? but he still able to get bonus and increment at current job, right? |
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