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nihility
post Sep 16 2025, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Sep 16 2025, 11:21 AM)
In short, by >50 after almost 25y in the ranks and you still don't have the moni and portfolios working, gearing enough for you and you still fear not drawing a pay cheque then you sendiri yg carik susah lo.
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Life has two blind spots most people overlook.

1st: We think joy begins after retirement. Fallacy. Many never reach 60. Death may come today, tomorrow, next week, any time. Why wait to live?

2nd: We think work will remain stable until retirement. Another fallacy. The economy rises and falls. Technology disrupts. No job is safe forever.

The way forward is balance. Save enough for the storm, but do not postpone living. Tomorrow is not promised. While the sun still shines, make our living and live our life.
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post Sep 17 2025, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Sep 16 2025, 12:16 PM)
Perfectly said. In kopitiam, you can see many delusional ktards looking forward to earn 4m in their EPF by the time they retire.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Sep 16 2025, 03:02 PM)
Well said 👍🏻
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There is another pattern forming in silence, one that escapes most people. A generation before us often chanted: “Don’t be loyal, loyalty doesn’t pay off.” This advice was passed down to their younger generation.

Because of this conditioning, today’s workforce does not easily stay loyal. The cause and effect of the past is shaping the cause and effect of the present. Now, due to the scarcity of loyalty, SMEs and some corporations have come to value loyalty, especially from capable people—more than anything else. Under current market conditions, those who have remained loyal for 15–20 years find their positions deeply anchored.

What dumbfounds me is how this notion of “loyalty” has crossed over into personal human relationships. You can see the same trend running in parallel: modern relationships are no longer as loyal and faithful as in the old days—they mirror the same conditioning we see in the workplace.


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post Sep 19 2025, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Mixxomon @ Sep 17 2025, 03:46 PM)
I wouldn't say conditioning, people are just simply reacting to the environment.

They saw how loyalty did not matter during retrenchment. They saw even corporate giants can fail. They saw the consequences of putting all eggs in one basket, and they adapt accordingly.
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My bad. I agree the better wording would be as per you said, " reacting to the environment".
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post Sep 19 2025, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Sep 19 2025, 10:36 AM)
Only because the msian labour market visa requirement not easy. Visa is tied to employer and many conditions. But don't know how long this can last, once they relax requirements plenty of PRCs, Indians, Indons, Pinoys will come and work for cheap and no more company loyalty when can hire them 50% lower than locals. Plenty of case in SG as they visa requirement much easier compare to us, people work same company ~10 - 20 years hit manager earn SGD5-8k. Suddenly SME lay him off hire Msian for 25% less.

And this is not including older ppl who get taken advantage of pay RM1.7k minimum wage because boss know they got no choice. Loyalty my foot.

This loyalty you talk of is illusion. Maybe for those companies where boss himself build business from scratch they value their long time employee, but once next generation take over especially if they have never worked there they will restructure and fire the those expensive old timers.
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This observation on the last line is accurate. The present generation often fails to see the value of the previous one, just as it fails to see the consequences it leaves for the next. Our society struggles to perceive cause and effect across generations. Yet all these things still follow the law of cause and effect—only on a longer cycle.
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post Sep 19 2025, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Mixxomon @ Sep 19 2025, 11:04 AM)
Ageism works both ways. All things equal, why should a 50 year old be given priority over the 25 year old for that Junior clerk position?
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There is another dreadful mindset I’ve noticed—some individuals believe that promotion or advancement in rank should come automatically with age, rather than through merit or capability. This kind of thinking is dangerous, both to the individual and to society.

For the individual, it creates complacency. They stop learning new tasks or taking on new roles, thinking to themselves: “I’ve reached this level, I’ve already suffered enough; now it’s the younger generation’s turn to go through what I went through.” But without realizing it, they risk being overtaken by younger and more capable peers.

For society, I’ve personally seen this in government agencies. Capable people are often held back, while promotions are given out simply based on age. The result is that some retire with the highest possible salary—not because they were the most capable, but because they stayed long enough. To me, this feels unfair to the nation and its people. In the end, we end up paying the highest salaries / pencen by default, not by contribution.

 

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