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post Sep 12 2025, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Sep 12 2025, 03:41 PM)
Wait.. did I lose track to the meaning of meritocracy? My English degraded over night?

Last I understand matriculation is gate-kept at 90% quota bumiputra only, asasi 100% respectively. Both are 2 major pathway to public uni admission.

TS, what did I miss reading your para 1 > “When it became meritocracy” and the whole post #1 posting?

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In the past, it was a quota system, and he wanted meritocracy. When it became meritocracy, Bumiputera numbers increased even more because they were strong
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100 meter race, one using rempit bike, another using lawn mover. Can guess the winner, cite TS because they are 'strong' and its a fair race.
To be honest, all nons should have a backup plan to get out. Maybe not current but your offspring should exit.

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post Sep 12 2025, 04:01 PM

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Inb4 thread move to Education Essential
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Sep 12 2025, 03:53 PM)
if UM is local sampah uni, why he die die want to enter?  cool2.gif
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This guy dunno how many malaysian can get into Tsinghua and keep fapping macam can pancut to Peking
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(V3i HoN6 @ Sep 12 2025, 03:37 PM)
I dont know if i exercise abit of otak capabilities pun i cant help to nak question ada mungkin 1 year wujud 1128 applicants for accounting course with perfect CGPA 4.0 + 10 marks curriculum that is better than 99.9 (hence ranked 1129).

More likely the case the the 1128 people are sums of all perfect score top scorer but good portion of it apply for Med, Lawyer, Pharmacies and other.

Then that 1129 is not the true picture but only to confuse simple minded people like TS. So if its real meritocracy, why can't show the real ranking in just accounting applicants only. Aku rasa lebih kepada manatukkasi la meritocracy konon.
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In Edward’s case, the MOE has clarified that the 1127 candidates ranked ahead of him all achieved 100 full merit marks( with a 4.00 CGPA with maximum cocuriculum scores. There are only 1266 straight As STPM students in total and even if 10% of them applied for accountancy (which is very unlikely) that would still leave around 900–1000 matriculation students from the arts stream holding full merit marks.

It is also highly unlikely and almost impossible that science stream students with a perfect 4.00 CGPA would apply for accountancy. Edward himself is ranked 2nd among those with a 99.90 merit score, so his subject combination should not have been an issue for the ranking contrary to what TS claimed.
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:05 PM

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Think out of the box.
Based on meritocracy maybe even worse for minority.

Because now bumi has the most top scorer.

Without quota maybe even less able to enter
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(amboi_asamboi @ Sep 12 2025, 04:03 PM)
This guy dunno how many malaysian can get into Tsinghua and keep fapping macam can pancut to Peking
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I belip that kid can be another MCA politician in few years time cool2.gif

see now he got scholarship

memang cerah masa depan
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Efalex @ Sep 12 2025, 03:17 PM)
If Matriculation is guaranteed to a first degree program and has quota for it, what made you think the entry to first degree is based on Meritocracy?
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guareeteed if you dont mind lelong course in uitm laugh.gif
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Sep 12 2025, 03:15 PM)
In the past, it was a quota system, and he wanted meritocracy. When it became meritocracy, Bumiputera numbers increased even more because they were strong.

Now he’s bringing up the STPM vs. Matriculation issue, claiming that Matric is another quota. He tries to exaggerate by giving an example of someone ranked 1129 in STPM who didn’t even take Math but wanna take account

He says Matric students are “dumb,” even though those entering Matric are among the selected top SPM students. To him, STPM is a higher caste and more powerful.

Now he wants to abolish Matric and make everyone take STPM.

Fast forward, even in STPM Bumiputera will dominate because of population numbers while the nons birth rate lower—just look at SPM results as the closest example where even with single exam the bumi dominate in high score
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i am under impression that many ktards underestimate the learning capabilities of many aweks. they are really focus and serious when it come to study, not like mens, dapat kesedaran sangat lewat or no kesedaran at all.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Sep 12 2025, 03:53 PM)
if UM is local sampah uni, why he die die want to enter?  cool2.gif
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Wong’s sister is there too

No need layan trolls
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(susukambing @ Sep 12 2025, 03:31 PM)
Matric student is selected from top SPM students?

Are you sure?

Do you know those nons who are 9A+ SPM not even selected to matric?

And those with cukup makan As got selected to Matric?

Then the nons got pushed into STPM. And the cukup makan As one got selected to matrics. And the matrics end up with higher overall score than STPM students due to the advantages they gained in matrics.

And call that stronger? Fuuh. No wonder Malaysia tak maju. Kalau minority migrate habislah turn into indonesia

Stupid JPT create a matric path for non nons. And make nons go STPM. Haha and use their merits together for ranking students to go into IPTA and say it's based on merit.

Baguslah. The STPM won't get the course they want and NUS, Tsinghua accept them. This shows that higher ranking uni acknowledge their talents compared to local sampah uni. You matric 4.0 top student pergi Peking and Tsinghua la. See they accept or not?
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Local sampah uni they say, tapi every year bising2 coz couldn't enter local sampah uni.
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Sep 12 2025, 04:05 PM)
Think out of the box.
Based on meritocracy maybe even worse for minority.

Because now bumi has the most top scorer.

Without quota maybe even less able to enter
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i cant brain why this is not logical to them?
many melies are dumb, true,very true. but that doesn't mean everyone is stupid.

now with critical courses selection being so competitive, SPM results have become selection criteria, which race again so brave taking 14, 15, 16, 17 subjects in SPM? ohhh they taking religious subject for those additional subject, yeah, are you assuming those are easy to score? doesnt it caused core subjects to receive less focus time resource?

This post has been edited by zerorating: Sep 12 2025, 04:20 PM
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:18 PM

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The stupid thing they did was to create stupid separate systems in the first place, now wanna maintain fine, but maybe implement universal college entrance exams instead of separate exams for each kursus, whatever those programs wanna teach and how, lantaklah, but grade everyone with the same papers and universities should make it clear which subjects are mandatory prereqs for what course then students decide. Why so complicated. Just do like USA/china SATs or gaokao. Settle. Then admit based on those test scores, test is same so is fair.
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:33 PM

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No point trying to spin and twist, release the full list with details then we talk.

Until that happen, this is the fact.

But if you want to talk about why the exclusive express path is mostly reserved for 1 group, we can continue.

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Menteri Pendidikan Tinggi, Datuk Seri Dr Zambry Abd Kadir, berkata bagi calon lepasan Matrikulasi, seramai 18,803 calon termasuk 15,993 calon Bumiputera ditawarkan ke IPTA pada sesi akademik 2024/2025.

Beliau berkata pada sesi akademik 2023/2024, calon lepasan Matrikulasi yang berjaya ditawarkan ke IPTA adalah terdiri daripada 16,557 calon Bumiputera dan 2,796 calon Bukan Bumiputera.

“Pada sesi akademik 2023/2024, calon lepasan Asasi yang berjaya ditawarkan ke IPTA terdiri daripada 3,768 calon Bumiputera dan 50 calon bukan Bumiputera.

“Pada sesi akademik 2024/2025 pula, lepasan Asasi yang berjaya ditawarkan ke IPTA adalah seramai 3,775 calon Bumiputera dan 133 calon bukan Bumiputera.

https://www.nasionaldaily.com/2024/11/06/le...sesi-2024-2025/
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i also get utm last time but the offer came much slower than mmu and taruc
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Sep 12 2025, 03:15 PM)
In the past, it was a quota system, and he wanted meritocracy. When it became meritocracy, Bumiputera numbers increased even more because they were strong.

Now he’s bringing up the STPM vs. Matriculation issue, claiming that Matric is another quota. He tries to exaggerate by giving an example of someone ranked 1129 in STPM who didn’t even take Math but wanna take account

He says Matric students are “dumb,” even though those entering Matric are among the selected top SPM students. To him, STPM is a higher caste and more powerful.

Now he wants to abolish Matric and make everyone take STPM.

Fast forward, even in STPM Bumiputera will dominate because of population numbers while the nons birth rate lower—just look at SPM results as the closest example where even with single exam the bumi dominate in high score
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According your logic, also checking past 60 years olympic medalist from Malaysia
Chinese = 80% population in this country.

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Face the Facts lah

From PM1 till PM10, all malay leader most worry in this Country = Chinese.

They too powerful

even cut off LKY and singapore to water down the ratio


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post Sep 12 2025, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(chinteck79 @ Sep 12 2025, 03:19 PM)
u swim in the sea, they swim in swimming pool same 100m. they laugh at you for being 0.1s slower
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this is the best analogy to date
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post Sep 12 2025, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(EX Unseen Forces @ Sep 12 2025, 03:23 PM)
Go NUS or NTU la. Kan boleh?
Think out of box wink.gif
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NUS NTU need to pay. at least SGD80k

UM thru UPU fees only RM8k

The boy already got SATU offer from UM, but fees is RM80k.

Imagine going to the same class as your classmate, taking the same degree, but you have to pay 10 times more.

That extra 72k can buy Honda City already.
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post Sep 12 2025, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 12 2025, 04:58 PM)
NUS NTU need to pay. at least SGD80k

UM thru UPU fees only RM8k

The boy already got SATU offer from UM, but fees is RM80k.

Imagine going to the same class as your classmate, taking the same degree, but you have to pay 10 times more.

That extra 72k can buy Honda City already.
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You only can go thru SATU, might as well go NUS NTU jer.
I believe they offer scholarship for cgpa 4.0 students.
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so why the tongkat?

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