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Why so pricey ? Tak faham
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funniman
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Aug 17 2025, 09:18 PM
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If you got RM4m, why pay for a shophouse and hope to get rentals? It is only you got RM500k, borrow from bank to buy and hope rentals can cover payments. Many people forget the money they borrow from bank to buy is not their money. Their actual money is the downpayments, so returns shld be based on that.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 07:01 AM
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Industrial and commercial property investments are for those with strong holding power. Stick to residential first before jumping into the ocean. Many big sharks out there.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 18 2025, 07:10 AM) why so many fail to understand this? Property is one medium of investment where you can actually get credits/loans for it. They fail to understand, the person who had 4m most likely paid a 800k (commercial requires at least 20% DP) down payment took a 3.2m loan for these kind of investment. why using your cold hard $$$ to pour all in? Everyone can borrow to maximum. Wait till one have to pay monthly payments when there's no tenants. It is not RM2k but RM20k per mth. If brave, by all means dive in.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(LDP @ Aug 18 2025, 07:32 AM) If you meet certain criteria, you can withdraw..of course it wont be as easy as your savings account... Think can only for 1 housing loan only but not commercial property loans.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE(LDP @ Aug 18 2025, 07:35 AM) Yupe, this is solid advice....especially industrial property....I have seen owners asking for the company profit and loss statement before agreeing to lease it out....We are talking about rental exceeding 15K a month ... Many unexpected expenses in factory investments: Factory repairs (often factories are not built like houses). Roof leaks or roller shutters are common problems. Tenants usually got partners. It is not tenant company not making money but partners quarrelling resulting in no payments. Sue also no use. You don't spend good money to chase after bad money unless it is mega sums. Tenants usually do modifications to install their machineries. Repair cost to factory floor cost a lot more than just utilities deposits. Shophouses also have similar problems. Headache.... This post has been edited by funniman: Aug 18 2025, 07:48 AM
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 08:17 AM
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"Most new tenants of industrial or shoplot will take tenancy condition as it basis. Tenant will do whatever reno and to comply with local authority guidelines."
And after they left, who is going to clean grease floors, pull out all wires or fill up holes? Or redo industrial floor coating? And it is not cheap at RM50k easily.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Aug 18 2025, 03:19 PM) Like a youtuber said, property investment will not make you rich, but its for wealth preservation. Totally agreed. No need be greedy. Just build steadily.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 18 2025, 06:23 PM) Take Taipan USJ 10 Current asking corner lot 4 mil ono, Let's say agreed at 3.8 mil Current asking rental corner lot 28k. Let's say agreed at 25k. 25,000 x 12 รท (3,800,000) / 100 = 7.89% La Cocina left one corner and went to rent top flr in the same area. They were tenant for more than 5 years. Current unit occupied by S11 chap fan. Easily rental is above 20k selling chap fan. Tis investment is next level for super landlord. Not for kecik moyang wannabe level and forumers drooling their saliva ๐ I was talking to the HK roast duck next to 7-11 along same row as S11. He said, there's no shop for rent, that's why he ended up in such location but still doing good business. Having said that, investment in shophouses is tough. Grd floor very easily rented out with good price but upper floor all rented out at pittance price. Frontage and which side of road it is located also important. It is cut throat investment.
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funniman
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Aug 18 2025, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 18 2025, 07:01 PM) The Ampang YTF corner lot also cannot tahan when landlord raised the rental. They were the first few pioneers in Taipan, I think easily more than 15 years. Landlord bery confident ... U don't want, others will take. The rest is history. Now the YTF shifted to opposite Caring Pharmacy. From corner to middle shop. I find their quality ok nia. Nothing to shout about. My take is if you are in business and need the place, just buy premises instead of paying rentals. You will pay through your nose but at the end of day, it is wealth accumulation as other say. Before you know it, you have unknowingly accumulated a decent portfolio. But if you invest for rental collections, then better don't unless you have good contact with developer and managed to get a super located one.
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funniman
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Aug 19 2025, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE(LDP @ Aug 19 2025, 06:55 AM) Agreed maths dont lie and this is assuming you can generate a consistent rental return for the next 20 years..... Consistent for next 20 years....that's crucial. Loan repayments is consistent. Rental income is subjected to market conditions, not forgetting about the empty months between new and old tenants. If cash flow not enough to cover these vacant weeks or months, then big problem. Good or bad tenants also another issue. They pay on time, it is great. They esok lusa..then headache.
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funniman
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Aug 19 2025, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Aug 19 2025, 08:46 AM) Pretty much agreed with tis as I have seen many kids rushing to sell when the parents no longer around. Having said tat I have been telling my kids to let me know if they r willing to learn n manage the props. I have half props in my portfolio more than 20yrs. Best part of doin so is to max the potential rental roi. If kids r not interested then sell 1 by 1 n let them reinvest elsewhere even abroad. Tis oso to minimise the process to handle probates later. Prop game is an asset if one knows how. It's a liability if one doesn't wanna learn. Back to the topic. A 3m 4m corner shop is not excessively expensive for today's standard especially if the loc is top notch. A simple smd fac nowadays oledi has a starting price of 3m within 20km fr kl. Or 2m n above if further away. A detached one is much higher. Wats a 3m 4m corner shop is if giving gd rental in gd loc. An extreme example ll b telawi. The price nvr giv in n the rest is history regardless with laughter or tears. Agreed. We do not want to give our kids problems like mortgage repayments. Or they fight over who get the better ones. If we want to give them properties, the least we can do is make sure all debts had been cleared with clean title issued. Also make sure overseas properties are properly handled as for eg. UK inheritance tax is 40% and property gains tax is separate. Title is absolute or still needing loan servicing. Different level altogether.
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