but not all paid by Americans.



This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 13 2025, 11:41 PM

Yea, paid by Americans lel

so who's paying for it? the importers in the US? or the consumers in the US?

most likely shared between American importers and foreign exporters.

so Americans paid partly only

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 13 2025, 10:20 PM

so much money.
all paid by usa lol

Trump indeed has good foresight then. Next question is what he’s going to do with the money?

sendiri bayar sendiri syok sendiri rompak sendiri

He also reduced tax for the people. Putting more money in their pockets

So even if there's tariff, it's not as pain as you think it is.

Fed gonna cut rates soon also.

Pump into his crypto!

Good news for us exporter countries. It means Americans are still buying imports instead of local products.

It is tax certainly it works. If you let PMX tax you Malaysian government will be rich also, however Trump is smart to use tariff narrative to looks like other countries are paying for it.

the more correct answer is all paid by american consumers

Trump provoked widespread criticism last week by firing the BLS’s commissioner, Erika McEntarfer, after weaker-than-expected jobs numbers for July and downward revisions for the two previous months, statistics that seemed to portend a looming economic slowdown
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/au...cs-jobs-numbers
His number dunno can trust or not

if you read the discussion going on the tariff is shared between the importers and exporters. so American paid part of it only. and you may ask why exporters is willing to pay. because US is the biggest consumer market in the world some with high margin so can absorb part of the tariff.

this is by Treasury not BLS. Trump started put 10% baseline starting April 2025 which reflected in the graph.

Sos?

MR_alien being confidently wrong again? You think exporters won't be forced to reduce their prices to remain competitive?

Foreign exporter has no role on local tariff

No need since semua kena tariff anyway. Not much of a competition with us product anyway since they are already way tok expensive to begin with

its more like its being paid either by the companies in america which imported the goods, and the consumers who pay whatever the companies dont absorb. whatever the companies absorb show up as lower profits and that means lower corp tax income.

which is partly why the deficit grew last month.

Country A and B make T-shirts.

Country A kena tariff 14%.

Country B kena tariff 16%.

What Country B need to do to remain competitive in the US market?

Assume both countries have the same production costs and quality.

This post has been edited by JohnL77: Aug 14 2025, 12:50 AM

I am sure the wizards in /k knows about incoterm in shipping.
Unless the shipment is on DDP (Delivered Duty Paid) ALL DUTY and TAXES paid by BUYER. Seller just change the incoterms when transacting with Americans.

there are reports that China exporters shared the tarrifs with US importers.

Trumpets still believe their idols saying that the cost being paid by exporters. thus the goods price should go down in long term.

THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL?

wow very nice....we should tariff sg too

Lol. Who the heck would do that? It's importer who paid the tariff. Goods from China already razor thin margin. They would rather not sell than do losing money business. And since Trump tariff the whole world, why should anyone pay for it. No matter who Americans buy from, they would get taxed.

lol... from all will be paid by the exporting country to now claiming shared...
but still don't realize it is all paid by importing country....

Lol tariff rates go up of course tariff collection also go up la.

Questions is who pays tariff? It's Americans.

kerajaan kaya tapi rakyat miskin

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 13 2025, 11:36 PM

Hahahahhahahahahahhha!! What a joke

Businessman who know how to earn american money. Nothing wrong here.

Next is bagi duit to B40 american.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 13 2025, 11:35 PM

i already updated 1st post with tariffs share among the people involved. but some ktards still don't get the Trump game. die die say exporters paid all tarrifs. I digress.

read the report:



i.e. some exporters gave discounts. tariffs themselves are paid by the buyers.

tariff may not be the exact correct term in this Trump game but the pie chart says it all. exporters and foreign countries cave in to Trump demand.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 13 2025, 11:45 PM

still kena gaslight by the narratives...

customs of USA so powerful can go collect money from the factory in malaysia. lol

price increase covered by whom...sure....
but tariff is always by importer/consumers.

That's so much that the exporters can absorb partial of the tariff due to the thin profit margin against the goods.

The majority of the cost is paid by US citizens, and just look at the YouTube/TikTok videos. The locals are complaining that Walmart grocery shopping easily costs USD120-300 for 1 - 2 plastic bags of items.

Very expensive to buy food yoh!

tell me, how does lowering export prices = higher tariff income?

compare with no tariffs at all without Trump as POTUS for the 2nd term.

no, tell me how a foreign company lowering his export prices to us buyers means he's paying tariffs to us customs.

Biggest winner us government, loser exporter, biggest losser us consumer, soon exporter will need to reduce quality to cover the cost, so us consumers will not be getting quality stuff like before. Quality of live going down using grade b product like we usually do.

This post has been edited by kelvinfixx: Aug 13 2025, 11:54 PM

Jeng jeng jeng... This is what I said 4 months ago.

I guess really need to spell everything out for ktards.

1. This does not mean that things will be cheaper for Americans, they are still paying most of the tariffs.

2. The question was whether Americans pay ALL the tariffs? As said in the Goldman Sachs report, at first US businesses absorbed some of the tariffs, next exporters will absorb some of the tariffs.

3. People forget tariffs are not just to raise government revenue but also to protect domestic companies.

4. Does this mean Trump's plan will work? Will he bring back jobs to America and Make America Great Again? I don't know. What if Trump accidentally bring back all the low value jobs and the high value jobs go to China? Is that winning?

5. This is why it's important for every country to negotiate with the US. To those idiots who laugh TACO whenever Trump extends the suspension of tariffs on China, this doesn't mean 0 tariffs, there is still a 30% tariff on China.

Small margin product will not goong back, us salary is very high, 4 to 5 times of Malaysia

This post has been edited by kelvinfixx: Aug 13 2025, 11:56 PM

What u want?

The original argument was whether US consumers pay ALL the tariffs?

Now u bising about US government revenue?

When prices go up for US consumers u laugh haha kesian Muricans.

When exporters lower their prices and give US consumers some relief, you complain about US government revenue.

I don't know, man. I got see fake motorcycle pants sold in America for like 4x to 5x the price on Shopee or Lazada. I know it's the same pants because it's exactly the same design and they lie about having Kevlar but actually the whole pants is just cotton. There's a lot of margin to play with there.

Before tariffs:

Export price from China: $100

Tariff rate: 0% → Tariff cost: $0

Importer’s total cost: $100

After 25% tariff, with exporter sharing cost:

Export price from China: $80

Tariff: 25% of $80 = $20

Importer’s total cost: $80 + $20 = $100

So exporters are indirectly paying part of the tariff’s economic burden by cutting prices.

can watch MrWhosetheboss YouTube. he buys and reviews stuffs from China at inflated prices lol.

I guess ktards don't know that Muricans are paying sohai prices for China stuff that we Malaysians can buy for dirt cheap prices. If you are a factory owner in China, would you prefer selling to Muricans or Malaysians? Even if China increase exports to other countries, I don't think the margin will be the same? Also other countries are putting tariffs on China to prevent them dumping their products.

I think there's something wrong with the calculation.

If a 25% tariff applies to an item worth USD100 during import, the exporter should absorb 25% of the USD25—a division of the tariff cost, approximately USD6.25—by reducing the item's price during export.

haha... so isn't the tariff fully paid by the importer/consumer? 25% of 80 = 20.... all paid by usa

theres a difference between 'absorbing tariff costs' and actually paying for the tariffs. there are two adverse impacts of tariffs - one is on prices and one is on demand. exporters who want to keep market share (or maintain quantity sold, or just maintain a business relationship) can lower their prices. that's what the report says.

but pretty much the entirety of tariff income (i.e. the money) received by the us treasury would come either from companies in the us (which can either be us- or foreign-owned) and us consumers. in fact the scary part of the report is that consumer prices are only minimally affected now - that'll change in a few months, if goldman is right.

the tariffs imposed arent protecting any industry, especially since its not targeted and quite unstrategic. you tariff raw materials, so not only are any products made in the us more expensive to its own consumers, its also uncompetitive if it wants to be exported. then there's things like the semiconductor tariff which may result in importing semiconductors being more expensive than the finished electronic product, so its cheaper if electronics maker in the us to actually leave the us, manufacture overseas (where semicons are not tariffed) and sell the finished good to the us. industry goes out.

its a mess. the only thing propping everything up is that businesses are standing still because trump changes his mind every week so no one's investing/divesting anything.

yeah, you are right. a bit simplified. the 25% tariff cost should be shared, not all absorbed by exporter by reducing price by $20.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 14 2025, 12:12 AM

Good points. I agree.

Don't need to wait, look at the local ppl complain about the price of a cup of coffee, chips, beef... typically the grocery shopping already increased by a lot! Source - YouTube/TikTok videos

still at the cost of exporter partly. compared to no tariff shit at all. exporter can earn more.

doesn't matter... the question is who is paying for the tariff... it is always someone within the importing country. that's how the formula works.

even when exporter give 80% discount, selling only 20 dollars... 25% of the tariff is still paid by the "someone" in the importing country.... cos it is 25% of the value entering the country, collected by customs.

I am just so glad that I can still buy nescafe gold via shopee for 22 ringgit whenever I need to...

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 14 2025, 12:27 AM

it matters for malaysian exporters or any exporters

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 14 2025, 12:24 AM

youre absolutely free to share which companies cut their export prices by 25%.

How is reducing price = paying tariff??

If exporter reduce price then less will be tax. Sure then americunts will pay lesser tariff. Importer could absorb the tariff and consumer won't feel the difference.

Then the exporter rugi 80% la sohai. You don't understand what indirectly means? If exporter forced to reduce price that means they are indirectly paying some of the tariffs.

This post has been edited by JohnL77: Aug 14 2025, 12:28 AM

There's no point arguing who is right and who is wrong... it's all lies on the words used to convey the meaning... Both are right

Who pays the tariff? - the importer. 100% correct...
Who bears the tariff? - Exporter+Importer, then pass on to consumers... It's also correct

Is Trump winning? Definitely not!
Does Trump care? Probably not!

it is a simplified example. and as discussed with another forumer here, should be reduced by usd6.25 not usd20.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Aug 14 2025, 12:29 AM

Trump's point of view is:

> I raise tariffs: Good for American companies.

> Exporters reduce price to remain competitive: Good for American consumers.

I am not saying I agree with Trump or think he is winning.

There's 3 pages of replies, go read first. Or maybe you can go apply for a job with Goldman Sachs or their competitors and argue with them.

Actually, I'm referring to the title - Trump's Tariffs is working... not winning

amd itself said that us-made semicons from tsmc arizona is more expensive (though cheaper than tariffed semicons).

meanwhile, laptops imported into the us are exempted from tariffs.

so if youre a laptop manufacturer in the us, what do you do?

Don't know la what is the definition of working. The only thing I know is, the assumptions of ktards are not 100% correct.

The problem now is will there be price increase iPong or not lol

lol

You all talk as if this tariff thing is new. We also have tariff for more than 30 years to protect proton. Did it work?

It just make the locals lazy and uncompetitive. It will be the same for America. Mark my words.

i thought they already are? especially in manufacturing. with Trump tariff, some strategic sectors of manufacturing are already setting up on US soil.

you can't compare Malaysia and US like that, the dynamics are different.

good move.. for USA

That's what everybody thinks. Eventually they will fall behind then increase tariff some more. Fall some more, add more tongkat, more protectionist. It's already happening to their agriculture industry.

why is this surprising? tariff go up so of course ur gonna collect more duh

murica has a debt of 37 trillion. they need more money. lol

Government fiscal deficit, inflation rate, income tax burden. Choose any two to reduce, but only two.

That's why the new analysis says whatever new tariff income earned, is offset by the additional fiscal deficit in government already.

July 2025
Tariff revenue 29.6B
Budget deficit 291B

Is there still a need for US to maintain 700+ military bases worldwide, continue involvement in Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan etc
while their economy plummet?

I agree. I see a lot of disadvantage for American consumers but there are definitely some advantage for America.

Buy foreign, consumer and/or supplier pay more. Government earns more. As simple as that.

Every country applies this rule in some sectors.

That means import doesn't slow down at all?

wonder why Biden years deficit is so inflated compared to the years before it

most exporters will "absorb" some of the tariffs by giving addtional discounts

China would be most notoriest for price slashing to meet the same price after adding the 30%

unfortunately Sean Foo has been constantly attacking US for many years but this year amounted to nothing.

so a bit pointless following him for now

maybe when a WOKE president come back to power then Sean Foo's analysis will be fun to watch.

This post has been edited by h@ksam: Aug 14 2025, 11:28 AM

He doesn't pull stuff out of thin air, receipts included, what you said just means some watchers are Rights vs Lefts thing.

It has significantly to the point lots of logistic company (lorry) closed down.

A wishful chart with no real data that proves nothing. Maybe it's drawn up by Trump. 😂

My wife always said "The botak speaks again?"... That's how much I watch Sean Foo's videos. But recently, it's getting boring because the narrative are always the same... It's one sided...