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 Tenant from hell still causing my mom problem, This time, on the rental payment

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mini orchard
post Jul 29 2025, 03:33 PM

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People who talk big and shout loud got no balls when confronted.

'bro .... you boy or girl, ..... touch me lar' 🤣

Go confront him once to full settle issue.

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post Jul 29 2025, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(eymc @ Jul 29 2025, 09:55 PM)
bro based on my vast experience fire vs fire landlord lose. We as landlord at this stage of your story still can salvage min damage before you lose more!

only kindness and empathy can beat your tenant! Go in and sit down let them talk hear them out even you know its nonsense but " show empathy " no choice after hearing their story take your time come back to them in a few days and plan you total cost "lost" to evict them!

since you know got 2 more months to go got deposit get this chance to go in and have a look and chat. Example offer them back a good gesture 1 month refund now no need pay last month rent. Before everything expires all lose lose.

You got to offer something in hand for them to ease out and move ,cause from the situation you already know they are having difficulty.

short story my last tenant owe me total 6k rent yet i still fork out RM2k to get them a new place to move on. It work. At least nightmare stops. Money can find but if you go on fire vs fire you are in for a ride!...like i said you better calculate risk. at least my way all get moving my unit is back for rent in 2 weeeks. If use lawyer la bla bla can gurantee i spend more then above!

i pray and hope this can ease your mind! Good luck!

so far my record fire vs fire always worst outcome!
kindness and smart wins all the time! ( lesser damage )
dont go chase after "fairness" and whose right or wrong seriously no point one once you are mature and you think back you will see the clear picture!
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Because of your 'kindness', the same tenant will target another landlord and the whole cycle repeats.

Why bother to pay rent when there are generous landlords.

Maybe one day, the same tenant through his friend will rent your unit again 😂


mini orchard
post Jul 29 2025, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(eymc @ Jul 29 2025, 10:43 PM)
ok so you use force and fire vs fire they wont rent again ?in future?
so pls give him a solution and rinse this tenant to become an angel in future!
pls advice .
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Nothing to advise for generous landlord. Is your property and money. Do the necessary to ease the burden of your tenants 🤣
mini orchard
post Aug 6 2025, 06:04 AM

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QUOTE(lIAmLegendl @ Aug 6 2025, 01:43 AM)
RM5000 CASH, I'll make them disappear in a day and they wont bother you anymore. PM if you want.
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You disappear or the tenant ? 🤑

One landlord here will offer the 5k to tenant to eased his burden wor 🤭

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post Aug 7 2025, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 7 2025, 04:56 PM)
TS, better tell your tenant, since so much bad blood, they have to vacate. Let the tenancy agreement lapse, after that tell them to move out.

If not, talk to a lawyer to help draft a lawyer letter to chase them out.

I will let you know, our tenancy laws actually side the tenant. Watch a movie called Pacific Heights starred by Michael Keaton, that is a nightmare tenant. Our laws virtually follow the USA law last time. Once you hand over the keys to the tenant, you gave them tenant possession, they are masters of the property. You want to do eviction? If you are rich, be my guess. Can cost a lot.

Maybe some posters say talk to them nicely, they may be right.

our parliament too busy fighting RnR issues, so they don't bother to make good laws or even to overhaul this obsolete tenancy laws.

The MO is not your friend. And by law they cannot cut the utilities of your tenant.

But based on the fact the tenant just maki hamun at you and your mum, for cutting the utilities, I suspect their knowledge in causing trouble isn't that extensive.

Because you actually broke the law, you can't block access to them, they have vacant possession.

Maybe you can exploit this loophole. Talk to them nicely, that relationships have broken down, you prefer them to move out, give them like 2 months. Else you will get your lawyer, just write the letter to scare them. See what they say?

But deep down, you are actually in the losing side, because if they want to cari pasal with you, they just wait....because eviction notice can cost you maybe up to 6k. And if you cut electricity, they can sue you.
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There is NO tenancy law in Malaysia.

The TA comes under the Contract Act .... i.e. the terms in the TA are negotiated and agreed between the landlord and tenant,

There is also no subsale SnP Act. So one cannot say the SnP sides the buyer. So if there is a breached, one can only blame the lawyer. 🤭

If either party breached the contract, there are provisions in the TA for the aggrieved party to take action within the confine of the law.

Even when the TA is passed by parliament eventually, the rights of tenant and landlord are about the same today ... i.e. get an eviction court order. Maybe disconnecting utilities then may be an offense under the TA Act.

I foresee not much protections for landlord under the new TA Act, except maybe with quicker application for eviction order and lower cost, with landlord diy.


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post Aug 8 2025, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 8 2025, 08:13 AM)
QUICKER EVICTION AND LOWER COST IS THE PROTECTION FOR THE LANDLORD
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But it may not cover for damaged to property, outstanding rental and utilities bill. 🤑

Allowing a stranger to stay in a 500k property is oredi a losing game for landlords from the start of TA.🤭

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post Aug 8 2025, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 8 2025, 08:42 AM)
Nothing tabled, nothing debated yet, we will never know if the law will change, if this law ever gets through, since so many other laws needed to be done via parliament.

So we can't say that this is not covered.

Even if it doesn't have this provision for damage.

Evicting the tenant earlier than expected, and saving huge costs or damage that will incur further with longer stay, will help landlord to minimize the losses.

This is a huge chance.

Of course we would have liked it further if we can claim damages, we can still do it by contract law. But as you know, that would incur another round of legal expenses and the tenant could still not pay.
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Worst case is when rental cannot cover bank instalment. Is like gip free lodging 🫣

The reason why the TA act cannot be implemented is because the govt cannot decide to give more weight to the tenant or landlord. An Act can be seen as fair but is NEVER fair from tenant or landlord perspective.

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post Aug 8 2025, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Aug 8 2025, 10:24 AM)
This is a risk, just like riding a motorbike, it’s very risky. You can’t expect 100% safety unless you don’t ride or rent at all.

The Tenancy Act tends to focus more on preventing discrimination, such as not renting to certain races, rather than protecting the owner.

But of course, they won’t implement it because it wouldn’t work due to differences in religious beliefs and food customs. You just can’t mix those things together no matter what.
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There are options available but many people just put the head inside the hole and when suffocate, then start yelling for help.


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post Aug 8 2025, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(jay_y @ Aug 8 2025, 11:03 AM)
which type?
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CIMDLL ... U go decipher.
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post Aug 8 2025, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Aug 8 2025, 12:15 PM)
at least quick and low cost eviction would provide landlords with protection and minimize their losses
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Blessing to all landlords 🤭

 

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