But prefer SST instead?
Saying GST burden to those B40s.
Please explain in layman terms
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Jun 16 2025, 12:45 PM, updated 6 months ago
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But prefer SST instead?
Saying GST burden to those B40s. Please explain in layman terms |
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Jun 16 2025, 12:51 PM
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cause already implemented and rolled back.... if implement again so soon will make them look weak
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Jun 16 2025, 12:51 PM
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public also dont want GST what. people that complain everything mahal tax sana sini want GST makes no sense. gundamsp01, Imbi Plaza Lot 1.28, and 1 other liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 12:51 PM
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cos the previous gst was a mess. duit tak cukup bagi refund
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Jun 16 2025, 12:52 PM
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Malaysia implementation Ego Potentially losing erection but i don't think it will make much diff now MaybachS600 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 12:59 PM
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face problem their face problem more important than country welfare Ziax liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:04 PM
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the new SST rule gonna be very confusing to everyone. It would be easy for big retailer to modify their tax calculations, but for small2 shop or kedai runcit, it would be difficult. smallcrab and MaybachS600 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:06 PM
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ini semua akan bebankan rakyat!
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Jun 16 2025, 01:07 PM
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gst all business need do except below500k, sst not all business need do .
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Jun 16 2025, 01:09 PM
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Because PH who die2 want to abolish get back then, now kenot bring back coz high ego, they can lower the gst 3% and improve the gst to prevent exploitation.
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Jun 16 2025, 01:18 PM
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A b c d g s t
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Jun 16 2025, 01:23 PM
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They need to swallow their pride and reimplement GST No exceptions. . Start with 2% rate. Make sure funds recieved kept separate from Treasury. Refund within the SOP period All kena. Rubber tappers/unemployed/bangla/T1% .... Easy. This post has been edited by tokroni76: Jun 16 2025, 01:23 PM Slowpokeking and hotdayum liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:26 PM
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Because give so many reasons GST no good kenot spin back to say good. Ekceli easy to say nia. Last time no good because of implementation. New GST rebrand to VAT with new features better than last time. Done. apieh23, Slowpokeking, and 1 other liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:29 PM
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What is the difference between GST and SST?
Single-stage Taxation: SST applies a single-stage tax, levied either on the sale of goods (Sales Tax) or on services provided (Service Tax). Unlike GST, which taxes multiple stages of production, SST taxes goods and services only once, making it simpler for businesses to manage. https://www.refrens.com/grow/sst-vs-gst/ |
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Jun 16 2025, 01:34 PM
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every tax is a burden to everyone
waiting someone say remove all taxes for GE owai |
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Jun 16 2025, 01:36 PM
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Face culture, reputation, pride MaybachS600 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:40 PM
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PH-cai bodoh already guling-guling on the road and gotten their pristine yellow shirts dirty. Sampai sekarang pun belum cuci. How to guling-guling on the road today to challenge SST? So they just suck it up and accept SST lah. There’s your layman’s answers. MaybachS600 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:41 PM
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I've said it before, the one thing they should've u-turn on was on abolishing gst, instead rebrand it as improve implementation of gst while maintaining/reducing the 6% rate (i.e. easier claims, more well defined gst taxable items). This is IF gomen wanted to reduce the reliance on petronas money to fill gomen operational coffers.
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Jun 16 2025, 01:43 PM
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Rokek suka SST aka Suka Suka Tax #BebasNajib #NajibForPMXI |
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Jun 16 2025, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 16 2025, 12:52 PM) coconutxyz liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 01:57 PM
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Because it would be an unpopular u-turn.
Sst is basically gst, with similar cost to the public but lower revenue for the government. People want the gst (as long as the returns are handled honestly) because if the costs are going to go up, at least the money should go into the treasury. |
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Jun 16 2025, 03:26 PM
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Susah nak songlap
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Jun 16 2025, 03:30 PM
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Jun 16 2025, 03:31 PM
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i just laugh at people in this thread who suggested GST at 3%, can see how malaysians are trash in math and being realistic. wawasan2200 liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jun 16 2025, 01:57 PM) Because it would be an unpopular u-turn. What lower revenue?Sst is basically gst, with similar cost to the public but lower revenue for the government. People want the gst (as long as the returns are handled honestly) because if the costs are going to go up, at least the money should go into the treasury. Soon everything oso kena! Actually most Rakyat willing pay tax IF no songlap and irresponsible wastages... |
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Jun 16 2025, 03:34 PM
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GST disguise as SST
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Jun 16 2025, 03:35 PM
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imagine suddenly they announced revert back to GST, those accounts system need to re-do again, and its not free, then ppl kecoh no vote how.
also, b4 die die say GST no gud, now revert back slap own face, ppl no vote how. |
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Jun 16 2025, 03:36 PM
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GST is good but mismanage
SST is just bad I guess the next GE many will turn the table |
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Jun 16 2025, 03:48 PM
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The way I see it. Malaysia's GST problem was number 1, mismanaged. Many companies complained difficult to get refunds. Number 2, it's multitier, every step got GST, then refund, for the purpose of tracking transaction so that companies cannot tipu on tax. Problem here when multitier, got some people they know refund sometime lambat, they hike up price so that they don't rugi in term of cash flow. When the lambat refund came in they syok. So ended up those in the last stage of GST have to pay a bit more.
SST on the other hand is single tier. Old sst less coverage, prone to kena tipu by companies coz no tracking of any previous transaction. Hence this results in less revenue for gomen. Mind that this is all my opinion. So madani want to fix this but didn't dare going back to GST. So they up SST coverage then to track transactions they intro e-invoice. Got one ktards claim e-invoice wasn't planned by madani but by previous gomen. So dont know which previous gomen that he meant. Maybe abah or Sabri or maybe bijan. If he meant bijan, it's kinda funny coz if using GST what for using e-invoice. |
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Jun 16 2025, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 16 2025, 03:48 PM) The way I see it. Malaysia's GST problem was number 1, mismanaged. Many companies complained difficult to get refunds. Number 2, it's multitier, every step got GST, then refund, for the purpose of tracking transaction so that companies cannot tipu on tax. Problem here when multitier, got some people they know refund sometime lambat, they hike up price so that they don't rugi in term of cash flow. When the lambat refund came in they syok. So ended up those in the last stage of GST have to pay a bit more. If the government cannot managed a matured tax system like GST then don't expect them to manage other tax or subsidy reform like the magical Ron95 targeted subsidy that we can't refer to any example overseaSST on the other hand is single tier. Old sst less coverage, prone to kena tipu by companies coz no tracking of any previous transaction. Hence this results in less revenue for gomen. Mind that this is all my opinion. So madani want to fix this but didn't dare going back to GST. So they up SST coverage then to track transactions they intro e-invoice. Got one ktards claim e-invoice wasn't planned by madani but by previous gomen. So dont know which previous gomen that he meant. Maybe abah or Sabri or maybe bijan. If he meant bijan, it's kinda funny coz if using GST what for using e-invoice. |
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Jun 16 2025, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 16 2025, 03:48 PM) The way I see it. Malaysia's GST problem was number 1, mismanaged. Many companies complained difficult to get refunds. Number 2, it's multitier, every step got GST, then refund, for the purpose of tracking transaction so that companies cannot tipu on tax. Problem here when multitier, got some people they know refund sometime lambat, they hike up price so that they don't rugi in term of cash flow. When the lambat refund came in they syok. So ended up those in the last stage of GST have to pay a bit more. First time experienced from SST to GST, sure many hiccups. But the most important thing no songlap noted from last occasion SST on the other hand is single tier. Old sst less coverage, prone to kena tipu by companies coz no tracking of any previous transaction. Hence this results in less revenue for gomen. Mind that this is all my opinion. So madani want to fix this but didn't dare going back to GST. So they up SST coverage then to track transactions they intro e-invoice. Got one ktards claim e-invoice wasn't planned by madani but by previous gomen. So dont know which previous gomen that he meant. Maybe abah or Sabri or maybe bijan. If he meant bijan, it's kinda funny coz if using GST what for using e-invoice. |
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Jun 16 2025, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jun 16 2025, 07:18 PM) First time experienced from SST to GST, sure many hiccups. But the most important thing no songlap noted from last occasion since there'll be no tax refund to the lower tiers, it should be ok. the songlap can still happen after that. |
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Jun 16 2025, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 16 2025, 07:29 PM) since there'll be no tax refund to the lower tiers, it should be ok. Again best if can show which project names as songlap related to gst refund?the songlap can still happen after that. This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Jun 16 2025, 08:08 PM |
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Jun 16 2025, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 16 2025, 03:48 PM) The way I see it. Malaysia's GST problem was number 1, mismanaged. Many companies complained difficult to get refunds. Number 2, it's multitier, every step got GST, then refund, for the purpose of tracking transaction so that companies cannot tipu on tax. Problem here when multitier, got some people they know refund sometime lambat, they hike up price so that they don't rugi in term of cash flow. When the lambat refund came in they syok. So ended up those in the last stage of GST have to pay a bit more. Your last sentence shows you are not an accouting or tax peopleSST on the other hand is single tier. Old sst less coverage, prone to kena tipu by companies coz no tracking of any previous transaction. Hence this results in less revenue for gomen. Mind that this is all my opinion. So madani want to fix this but didn't dare going back to GST. So they up SST coverage then to track transactions they intro e-invoice. Got one ktards claim e-invoice wasn't planned by madani but by previous gomen. So dont know which previous gomen that he meant. Maybe abah or Sabri or maybe bijan. If he meant bijan, it's kinda funny coz if using GST what for using e-invoice. E-invoice + GST working together like 1+1> 3 ayamxxx liked this post
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Jun 16 2025, 08:44 PM
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Rakyat x mau GST and SST
Kalau income tax boleh abolish, rakyat lagi happy |
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Jun 16 2025, 08:53 PM
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Simple... Coz they have to admit while najib has his faults, gst is not one of them...
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Jun 17 2025, 07:16 AM
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If the previous Gomen did songlap the gst refund, then there is good reason why to switch to SST. But songlap not found for gst refund
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Jun 17 2025, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 16 2025, 03:48 PM) The way I see it. Malaysia's GST problem was number 1, mismanaged. Many companies complained difficult to get refunds. Number 2, it's multitier, every step got GST, then refund, for the purpose of tracking transaction so that companies cannot tipu on tax. Problem here when multitier, got some people they know refund sometime lambat, they hike up price so that they don't rugi in term of cash flow. When the lambat refund came in they syok. So ended up those in the last stage of GST have to pay a bit more. SST single tier??? What weed are u smoking!SST on the other hand is single tier. Old sst less coverage, prone to kena tipu by companies coz no tracking of any previous transaction. Hence this results in less revenue for gomen. Mind that this is all my opinion. So madani want to fix this but didn't dare going back to GST. So they up SST coverage then to track transactions they intro e-invoice. Got one ktards claim e-invoice wasn't planned by madani but by previous gomen. So dont know which previous gomen that he meant. Maybe abah or Sabri or maybe bijan. If he meant bijan, it's kinda funny coz if using GST what for using e-invoice. |
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Jun 17 2025, 07:55 AM
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Later no face keep on u turn
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Jun 17 2025, 07:56 AM
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At the front of peoples eyes, say dont want to tax everyone especially the B40s.
At behind, I know you know la. If no songlap, no approve. |
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Jun 17 2025, 07:57 AM
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when tax income still not enough... gomen will back to GST/VAT
wait and see |
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Jun 17 2025, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jun 16 2025, 12:51 PM) public also dont want GST what. Introduce GST > Inflation Ep 1people that complain everything mahal tax sana sini want GST makes no sense. Remove GST > Price not coming down Introduce SST > Inflation Ep 2 Introduce new SST > Inflation Ep 3 Remove petrol subsidy > Inflation Ep 4 We can stop at one time pain, now 4 times … The only thing that wont increase inflation is to have salary and benefit cut for ministers/MP |
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Jun 17 2025, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jun 17 2025, 07:57 AM) Government only pandai squeeze rakyat to increase income? Ownself no effort kah? Berbillion billion investment mana? Waste money everyday fly here n there tin kosong commonsense liked this post
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Jun 17 2025, 08:08 AM
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PH needs another term. If implement now sure jahanam d. If they win GE16, then likely GST will return with low entry rate first. For now, they implement the petrol subsidy removal first to cut down deficit.
Btw, I totally support GST to be reimplemented. Less trouble seriously, and everyone kena fair and square. |
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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ Jun 16 2025, 12:45 PM) Vote Bank la.Your spend years creating a bad narrative that GST is bad and that is the reason the cost of living went up. you can turn around and say it was actually better than SST. - politician will never telan ludah sendiri. Learn from the Centurion - they whole world know his current claim is bullshit but still try to sell. |
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Jun 17 2025, 08:26 AM
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Because roket and its bajingans has lots price raising businesses that is not taxable back then.
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Jun 17 2025, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(ben_ang @ Jun 16 2025, 03:35 PM) imagine suddenly they announced revert back to GST, those accounts system need to re-do again, and its not free, then ppl kecoh no vote how. einvoicing system can be a "gst" system that without tax rate. If gst return it is easy just modify a bit of einvoicing system will do.also, b4 die die say GST no gud, now revert back slap own face, ppl no vote how. |
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QUOTE(MaybachS600 @ Jun 16 2025, 12:45 PM) kawan2 tak boleh songlap with gst all kantoied kena track MaybachS600 and fongsk liked this post
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 17 2025, 08:02 AM) Introduce GST > Inflation Ep 1 summary, retain SST, which collection is not enough for countries' usage, allocation, subsidy, and development, hence as usual, korek the oil fund from Mr. PRemove GST > Price not coming down Introduce SST > Inflation Ep 2 Introduce new SST > Inflation Ep 3 Remove petrol subsidy > Inflation Ep 4 We can stop at one time pain, now 4 times … The only thing that wont increase inflation is to have salary and benefit cut for ministers/MP |
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jun 16 2025, 01:29 PM) What is the difference between GST and SST? if only so simpleSingle-stage Taxation: SST applies a single-stage tax, levied either on the sale of goods (Sales Tax) or on services provided (Service Tax). Unlike GST, which taxes multiple stages of production, SST taxes goods and services only once, making it simpler for businesses to manage. https://www.refrens.com/grow/sst-vs-gst/ in reality, many layers of taxes ,tariffs and levies in msia GST was meant to eventually simply it all, but politicians in office in msia will never admit mistake This post has been edited by Redhunt: Jun 17 2025, 10:44 AM |
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QUOTE(vassilius @ Jun 17 2025, 08:08 AM) PH needs another term. If implement now sure jahanam d. If they win GE16, then likely GST will return with low entry rate first. For now, they implement the petrol subsidy removal first to cut down deficit. On SocMed like Twitter, lots of people are angry. Btw, I totally support GST to be reimplemented. Less trouble seriously, and everyone kena fair and square. |
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Jun 17 2025, 04:14 PM
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Ego and tak mau admid Gst is better
Will make current administration look weak when everything else they promise didn't come true except GST abolishment |
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