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post Jun 15 2025, 10:04 PM, updated 6 months ago

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Just over 5km away from Ahmedabad airport is Civil Hospital Ahmedabad, a huge hospital that reportedly has over 3,000 beds in it.

But the pilot managed to avoid the hospital when it crashed, and some have suggested that he did this purposely to avoid additional casualties.

Discussing the matter on Reddit, one person penned: "Air India AI-171 crashed just 1.7 km from the Ahmedabad airport. It crashed in a somewhat loosely populated area which has doctor's hostels and mess for medical students of BJMC and Civil Hospital Ahmedabad."


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"Just 400 metres north of the crash site is a civil hospital and south just adjacent to the airport wall is a high-density residential area," they went on, as per Daily Star.

Nearby is also the neighborhood of Asarva which, as of 2020, was home to 5,100 people. Had the plane crashed there, many more lives would have been lost.


https://www.unilad.com/news/travel/air-indi...098448-20250615?

Because had he fly above the hostel, he will fly directly to the hospital and heart of the township, potentially kiling thousands of people

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post Jun 15 2025, 10:07 PM

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No such thing la diu, he would not have the time to think with such a descent rate. His main priority was to land the plane as safely as he could in that urban jungle.
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jun 15 2025, 10:07 PM)
No such thing la diu, he would not have the time to think with such a descent rate. His main priority was to land the plane as safely as he could in that urban jungle.
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Dono where he gonna land also, all also urban jungle
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post Jun 15 2025, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jun 15 2025, 10:07 PM)
No such thing la diu, he would not have the time to think with such a descent rate. His main priority was to land the plane as safely as he could in that urban jungle.
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For experienced pilot, I believe he knows what buildings are those. So if he even have 30seconds, I think he can divert Abit to decide where to crash land.. but anyway, let him die a hero lo.. he also a victim in this, he also has family kan
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post Jun 15 2025, 10:15 PM

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Wouldn't call him a hero until we got more info from the black box.
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post Jun 15 2025, 10:24 PM

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By all means it could be single engine failure and they shut down the other working engine…
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post Jun 15 2025, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:09 PM)
Dono where he gonna land also, all also urban jungle
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:11 PM)
For experienced pilot, I believe he knows what buildings are those. So if he even have 30seconds, I think he can divert Abit to decide where to crash land..  but anyway, let him die a hero lo.. he also a victim in this, he also has family kan
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He went straight up 625 ft and glided down. No left/right yaw. Simple as that.



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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:11 PM)
For experienced pilot, I believe he knows what buildings are those. So if he even have 30seconds, I think he can divert Abit to decide where to crash land..  but anyway, let him die a hero lo.. he also a victim in this, he also has family kan
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well, if you have not enough force, the worst thing you could do is turn, because if you turn, it will make the plane drop much faster.

as we can see from the video, the plane is just maintain its path, trying to stabilize. it is in the pilot practice and manual to stabilize and dont do any turn if you lost your engine.
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post Jun 15 2025, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Jun 15 2025, 10:42 PM)
He went straight up 625 ft and glided down. No left/right yaw. Simple as that.
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QUOTE(brian81st @ Jun 15 2025, 10:50 PM)
well, if you have not enough force, the worst thing you could do is turn, because if you turn, it will make the plane drop much faster.

as we can see from the video, the plane is just maintain its path, trying to stabilize. it is in the pilot practice and manual to stabilize and dont do any turn if you lost your engine.
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i see.. then consider it as good fortune for the hospital
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post Jun 15 2025, 11:02 PM

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post Jun 15 2025, 11:03 PM

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Ok lar.

But the plane was pitched up, I don't think he could see the buildings below to avoid them...
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post Jun 15 2025, 11:04 PM

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Possible

If you fly that runway so many times you will know surrounding geographies there very very well


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post Jun 15 2025, 11:16 PM

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Really Bharat typical syok sendiri. The plane has no trust to fly, the pilots can’t do much. The video clip clearly shown the plane simply go straight and drop.

Latest analysis shown RAT was deployed, indicating the plane double engines probably failed, hence RAT was deployed just to generate essential power for basic control.
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Jun 15 2025, 10:15 PM)
Wouldn't call him a hero until we got more info from the black box.
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recently keep seeing story of air india. so many shits going on their plane. leaking la.. no AC la.. how is Air india still operating as an airliner. Maintenance is so poor.

Genuinely suspect the plane was poorly maintained that caused the accident.

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post Jun 15 2025, 11:20 PM

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Human always killing each other for thousand of years do you believe human still care the other when you gonna die anyway in second for whatever reason? Don't laugh die me 😂
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post Jun 15 2025, 11:27 PM

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Put it all the event, this plane is very poorly maintained to the core.

1st, aircond not working already giving a red flag. The plane electrical system is not functioning well somewhere, could be some short circuit, or some low battery, or some ic component failing

2. Then when flying, electric pop and lights went out

3. Rat system deployed to generate electric

4. Engine failure due to.not enough electric


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post Jun 15 2025, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 15 2025, 11:27 PM)
Put it all the event, this plane is very poorly maintained to the core.

1st, aircond not working already giving a red flag. The plane electrical system is not functioning well somewhere, could be some short circuit, or some low battery, or some ic component failing

2. Then when flying, electric pop and lights went out

3. Rat system deployed to generate electric

4. Engine failure due to.not enough electric
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 15 2025, 10:04 PM)
https://www.unilad.com/news/travel/air-indi...098448-20250615?

Because had he fly above the hostel, he will fly directly to the hospital and heart of the township, potentially kiling thousands of people

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post Jun 16 2025, 01:08 AM

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kinda bodo news
the plane goes as far as it could, the pilot cant even think about where it would land/crash


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post Jun 16 2025, 01:13 AM

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He didn't seem to have any control of the airplane already. Loss of lift at barely 650 feet, confirm gg already at that point.

It was by sheer luck that the planed crashed where it did. Nothing else.
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 15 2025, 11:27 PM)
Put it all the event, this plane is very poorly maintained to the core.

1st, aircond not working already giving a red flag. The plane electrical system is not functioning well somewhere, could be some short circuit, or some low battery, or some ic component failing

2. Then when flying, electric pop and lights went out

3. Rat system deployed to generate electric

4. Engine failure due to.not enough electric
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Jet engines don't fail from a lack of electricity.
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Saved the dying and killed the saviour?
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 15 2025, 11:27 PM)
Put it all the event, this plane is very poorly maintained to the core.

1st, aircond not working already giving a red flag. The plane electrical system is not functioning well somewhere, could be some short circuit, or some low battery, or some ic component failing

2. Then when flying, electric pop and lights went out

3. Rat system deployed to generate electric

4. Engine failure due to.not enough electric
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No way they will admit no maintenance which is a compulsory thing to do. Probably will just give vague theories which cannot be verified like bird strikes and software bugs.

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post Jun 16 2025, 06:18 AM

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Bharat trying to spin the news already.😅
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QUOTE(Bill888 @ Jun 16 2025, 06:18 AM)
Bharat trying to spin the news already.😅
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post Jun 16 2025, 06:23 AM

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Within flight perimiter already near college and hospital. The density of that area is already crazy
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QUOTE(differ @ Jun 16 2025, 01:15 AM)
Jet engines don't fail from a lack of electricity.
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Got many possibilities

Including engine electrical component controlling fuel injection.. fail ad, no fuel masuk, jet engine mati lo...

And too low a height for them to do restart in the air also..

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both engine loss thrust, RAT automatic pop up.
landing gear cannot attract due hydrolic need power to run, 200 feet, too low to perform dive manoeuvre

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 08:28 AM)
Got many possibilities

Including engine electrical component controlling fuel injection.. fail ad, no fuel masuk, jet engine mati lo...

And too low a height for them to do restart in the air also..
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QUOTE(wong_86 @ Jun 16 2025, 08:34 AM)
both engine power loss, RAT automatic pop up.
landing gear cannot attract due hydrolic need power to run, 200 feet, too low to perform dive manoeuvre
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Fuel contamination
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post Jun 16 2025, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 16 2025, 08:35 AM)
Fuel contamination
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If fuel dirty, should see more plane kena right? Only 1 ?
While batch all shud be dirty together

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 08:37 AM)
Maybe they go use dirty fuel from iran
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Interesting..
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 16 2025, 08:35 AM)
Fuel contamination
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if this is the case, many flights will kena alrdy
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All the paint write up on the pilots before anything. Ytd read one also

What they wanna paint?

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jun 16 2025, 08:39 AM)
if this is the case, many flights will kena alrdy
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Maybe something leaked inside fuel tank kot ? I dono, just read this wan in leddit
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The RAT (Ram Air Turbine) deployed so its an indication of both engine failure. However the plane had some power because the RAT deployed.

However video clearly showed the pilots had little room to manoeuvre and could only glide the plane down.

Most important is that Bharat has too many people and hence got build-up areas in front of runway which in itself is a crazy safety hazard precisely cos airport planners know such incidents occur. If the plane had landed on flat ground, all passengers would likely have been ok. Bharat really have zero planning for safety. This blame solely lies on building authority.

Look at KLIA or changi, either flat land or water only in front and behind runways.
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sounds more like trying to make him a hero before he get villainized in the final report
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Jun 15 2025, 11:39 PM)
Ayam somehow syukur klia and klia2 dekat hutan kepala sawit yang ada org sudah buat untung 😅😂
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There’s still Subang airport now handling commercial jet planes too whistling.gif
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 16 2025, 09:23 AM)
The RAT (Ram Air Turbine) deployed so its an indication of both engine failure. However the plane had some power because the RAT deployed.

However video clearly showed the pilots had little room to manoeuvre and could only glide the plane down.

Most important is that Bharat has too many people and hence got build-up areas in front of runway which in itself is a crazy safety hazard precisely cos airport planners know such incidents occur. If the plane had landed on flat ground, all passengers would likely have been ok. Bharat really have zero planning for safety. This blame solely lies on building authority.

Look at KLIA or changi, either flat land or water only in front and behind runways.
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The 787 also has APU and batteries - multiple redundancies.
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so fast call him hero liau ah
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For those wondering why airport is always so far from the city.
This is the reason why.
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Typical la of Bharat to sensationalised everything. Majority of news outlets are calling it a pilot’s error.
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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 16 2025, 10:10 AM)
There’s still Subang airport now handling commercial jet planes too whistling.gif
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Even Subang not as crazy bad.

This is the Ahmedabad airport.
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This is Subang. For now its still mostly just golf range of industrial complex, so in any case of a crash, the impact to the surrounding should be still minimal.

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 16 2025, 10:26 AM)
Even Subang not as crazy bad.

This is the Ahmedabad airport.
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This is Subang. For now its still mostly just golf range of industrial complex, so in any case of a crash, the impact to the surrounding should be still minimal.

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You do know that flights take off the other way too towards Subang Jaya?
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Its not likely pilot error.

The reason why some jokers thought its pilot error is cos some murican "analyst" cannot see from grainy video, thought flaps was not deployed correctly. this has since been debunked.

GE engines on B787 has had multiple issues in the past.

2012: https://www.wired.com/2012/09/ntsb-boeing-787-engines/
2016: https://www.industryweek.com/operations/qua...paired-says-faa
2019: https://aerossurance.com/safety-management/...7-genx-biocide/

That's why SIA B787 uses Rolls Royce engines. Air India uses GE engines.

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Be patient. Wait for the preliminary report based on the black boxes analysis.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 03:53 AM)
No way they will admit no maintenance which is a compulsory thing to do. Probably will just give vague theories which cannot be verified like bird strikes and software bugs.
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Based on apple report

Phone made in india more defect than china..

So high chance is - maintenance problem.. all half pass six engineer and maintenance crew doing shoddy job just like how they do software coding. Plug wire here n there, looks ok can run then let it go
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I remember the TransAsia Airways Flight 235 pilots also been praised by everyone that they did their best to prevent more casualty, but then everyone found out the incident was caused by the pilots' mistake.
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 11:08 AM)
Based on apple report

Phone made in india more defect than china..

So high chance is - maintenance problem.. all half pass six engineer and maintenance crew doing shoddy job just like how they do software coding. Plug wire here n there, looks ok can run then let it go
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Ya but no way they will admit maintenance problem. Sure cover up punya. If they admit then its criminal negligence already and family can sue terribly. And India sure say no if you want bring in your own forensic guy to check the plane.
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diu, if he can decide where to land, this wouldnt happened
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 11:15 AM)
Ya but no way they will admit maintenance problem. Sure cover up punya. If they admit then its criminal negligence already and family can sue terribly. And India sure say no if you want bring in your own forensic guy to check the plane.
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As usual la.. rafale gun down bu paki already first also say no down
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There was a Taipei plane crash where the plane had 1 engine failure on takeoff and the pilot shut down the working engine causing crash
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weird why not blame some pakistan terorist as usual? this the time modi to garner support man
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QUOTE(rznrmolev @ Jun 16 2025, 11:12 AM)
I remember the TransAsia Airways Flight 235 pilots also been praised by everyone that they did their best to prevent more casualty, but then everyone found out the incident was caused by the pilots' mistake.
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Ah yes this the one where the pilot turn off the working engine
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bs no hero fatal one kennot escape
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 11:15 AM)
Ya but no way they will admit maintenance problem. Sure cover up punya. If they admit then its criminal negligence already and family can sue terribly. And India sure say no if you want bring in your own forensic guy to check the plane.
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You think air crash investigation is like local police investigation kah? Black box contents are shared with Boeing and the aviation industry experts also. Multiple third party investigations are carried out for insurance claims from multiple companies. The truth cannot be hodden. This is why they can easily have documentaries on air crash investigations.
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Airports should preferably be built beside the sea or big river.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 16 2025, 11:39 AM)
You think air crash investigation is like local police investigation kah? Black box contents are shared with Boeing and the aviation industry experts also. Multiple third party investigations are carried out for insurance claims from multiple companies. The truth cannot be hodden. This is why they can easily have documentaries on air crash investigations.
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AI: Yes, the plane operator can refuse to send the black box to Boeing and only send it to the Indian authority — if the crash happened in India or India is the lead investigation state.

Let’s break it down:


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So no, they can don't give to Boeing if they did not perform maintanence to save face.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 11:58 AM)
So no, they can don't give to Boeing if they did not perform maintanence to save face.
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Can. But nothing has been said so far.

Also, regulations is one thing. There’s also the aspect of insurance payout and contracts/agreement with boeing.

In most cases, these documents require joint and third-party investigations. Its almost impossible for Air India or Boeing to lie.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 16 2025, 12:15 PM)
Can. But nothing has been said so far.

Also, regulations is one thing. There’s also the aspect of insurance payout and contracts/agreement with boeing.

In most cases, these documents require joint and third-party investigations. Its almost impossible for Air India or Boeing to lie.
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Insurance payout only based on official findings. Authority does not need third party to join the investigation. You are abit gullible.
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hero? he prolly the one causing the crash
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 11:58 AM)
So no, they can don't give to Boeing if they did not perform maintanence to save face.
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If the news of maintenance issue official, many will avoid this airline like plague ad.. but as usual, indian will still take one la
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He had lost all controls and RAT speed was too slow, not sufficient to push flaps
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 12:48 PM)
If the news of maintenance  issue official, many will avoid this airline like plague ad.. but as usual, indian will still take one la
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See how they prepare street foods there u know already their mindset really very tidak apa worse than here.

Here at least if dare announce no maintainance confirm lingkup already that operator even discount 50% also you wont take it anymore.

But still don't think they will announce maintenance issue.

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QUOTE(jibpek @ Jun 16 2025, 12:52 PM)
He had lost all controls and RAT speed was too slow, not sufficient to push flaps
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Mah lan jiao u la..
Rat is not suppose to push the plane la..
It is like a car alternator generate electricity for the basic core plane function la..
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 01:25 PM)
Mah lan jiao u la..
Rat is not suppose to push the plane la..
It is like a car alternator generate electricity for the basic core plane function la..
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Mah lan jiao u la

I said push the plane or the flaps?
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Mah lan jiao u la

I said push the plane or the flaps?
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Wadever la.. lan ciao la u.. haha
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He had lost all controls and RAT speed was too slow, not sufficient to push flaps
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This is a very ignorant statement not borne in video evidence.

Nothing in the videos indicate that the pilot had lost control. The plane had only gone up a few hundred feet. The plane was level with landing gears down all the way down.

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Insurance payout only based on official findings. Authority does not need third party to join the investigation. You are abit gullible.
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Insurers can and will choose to appoint their own investigators also. Don’t be stupid please.

You appoint your own adjuster after a crash or the insurance company appoints?

The same applies for an air crash claim. Insurance company appoints an adjuster and forensics companies. Sometimes multiple from multiple insurers involved. They all rely on verified third party investigations. Unless there is government intervention maybe.

Also, the lead insurers are very likely not based in India. Larger re-insurers from UK are mostly engaged to handle big portfolios.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 16 2025, 01:30 PM)
This is a very ignorant statement not borne in video evidence.

Nothing in the videos indicate that the pilot had lost control. The plane had only gone up a few hundred feet. The plane was level with landing gears down all the way down.
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There are other videos already mentioned that the RAT is down, but the air speed is too slow (just after take off), not sufficient to power the electronics.

The landing gear is not down, but never been able to push up.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 16 2025, 10:30 AM)
Its not likely pilot error.

The reason why some jokers thought its pilot error is cos some murican "analyst" cannot see from grainy video, thought flaps was not deployed correctly. this has since been debunked.

GE engines on B787 has had multiple issues in the past.

2012: https://www.wired.com/2012/09/ntsb-boeing-787-engines/
2016: https://www.industryweek.com/operations/qua...paired-says-faa
2019: https://aerossurance.com/safety-management/...7-genx-biocide/

That's why SIA B787 uses Rolls Royce engines. Air India uses GE engines.
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Has problem ,but won't fail both engine at once. This is near impossible unless kena bird strikes like the Hudson river case.
Better wait for the black box, maintenance record and final ntsb outcome.

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RAT will only deploy when both engines fail. Whatever the reason for engine failure, RAT deployment suggest this is the case.
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For those wondering why airport is always so far from the city.
This is the reason why.
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tell that to Sabahans who want KKIA to stay in the city.

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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 16 2025, 03:13 PM)
Insurers can and will choose to appoint their own investigators also. Don’t be stupid please.

You appoint your own adjuster after a crash or the insurance company appoints?

The same applies for an air crash claim. Insurance company appoints an adjuster and forensics companies. Sometimes multiple from multiple insurers involved. They all rely on verified third party investigations. Unless there is government intervention maybe.

Also, the lead insurers are very likely not based in India. Larger re-insurers from UK are mostly engaged to handle big portfolios.
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Stupid use your brain la. If maintanence issue you think the gov still allow them to check it? The gov has discretion to allow them to touch or not. The insurance still must pay based on the final report by authority.

Dont compare car with a plane. Its different.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 04:03 PM)
Stupid use your brain la. If maintanence issue you think the gov still allow them to check it? The gov has discretion to allow them to touch or not. The insurance still must pay based on the final report by authority.

Dont compare car with a plane. Its different.
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I actually worked in this sector. I can tell you. Insurers don’t pay based on government reports. And it won’t be just an Indian Insurer. Re-insurers are mostly engaged probably from richer insurers countries. Plus what makes you say AirIndia is covering up maintenance issues? Any source or proof?

Don’t simply pluck statements from the air. Listen and learn kid.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 16 2025, 09:11 PM)
I actually worked in this sector. I can tell you. Insurers don’t pay based on government reports. And it won’t be just an Indian Insurer. Re-insurers are mostly engaged probably from richer insurers countries. Plus what makes you say AirIndia is covering up maintenance issues? Any source or proof?

Don’t simply pluck statements from the air. Listen and learn kid.
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If you worked in this sector and still assume car and airplane work the same, then it shows your quality is lower. sorry ya.
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If you worked in this sector and still assume car and airplane work the same, then it shows your quality is lower. sorry ya.
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There is no assumption on car and planes. There was an example of how insurance works.

Keep your stupidity to yourself.
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If you worked in this sector and still assume car and airplane work the same, then it shows your quality is lower. sorry ya.
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He is right. I also worked in one of the big 4 insurance company
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Lol matcha really can pusing. The plane fell as soon as it took off where got time and the ability to maneuvre.

Chinese saying goes "dead also can argue until alive"
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Such news is akin to a speeding rempit that loses control, crashed right to the concrete divider and splattered all over the road; is reportedly to doing so instead of crashing onto a car to prevent deaths of the passengers in the vehicle.

What good such news going to do?
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 17 2025, 09:01 AM)
There is no assumption on car and planes. There was an example of how insurance works.

Keep your stupidity to yourself.
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You are indeed stupid because planes are under international aviation rules while car does not. So its not the same.


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He is right. I also worked in one of the big 4 insurance company
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Nope. Insurance company cannot access the wreckage unless authority allows.
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You are indeed stupid because planes are under international aviation rules while car does not. So its not the same.
Nope. Insurance company cannot access the wreckage unless authority allows.
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Seriously. Stop making yourself look more stupid kid. The plane belongs to Air India not the authorities.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ Jun 17 2025, 10:19 AM)
Seriously. Stop making yourself look more stupid kid. The plane belongs to Air India not the authorities.
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Once crash then they must comply to send the wreckage to authority.

If they did not do maintainance, of course they wont assign own forensic to prove ownself guilty. You are really dum2

The state owned that airlines for 7 decades previously. Of course will protect its reputation lar. Why you so dum2 ah?

This post has been edited by Schumacher: Jun 17 2025, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 17 2025, 09:40 AM)
You are indeed stupid because planes are under international aviation rules while car does not. So its not the same.
Nope. Insurance company cannot access the wreckage unless authority allows.
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Ok ayam dont want to comment further. Continue lol

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Ok ayam dont want to comment further. Continue lol
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User: Can India authority refuse any insurance company or even the plane owner to appoint its own forensic to check the wreckage?


Yes, Indian authorities can legally refuse any insurance company or even the plane owner from appointing and sending their own forensic team to examine a plane wreckage.

Why?

Aviation accidents in India are governed by:

Aircraft Act, 1934

Aircraft Rules, 1937

Annex 13 of the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization)


Key points:

1. India's DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation) or the AAIB (Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau) has exclusive control over the investigation and wreckage site.


2. Only investigators authorized by the Indian government or its assigned bureau are allowed to conduct forensic examination of the site and wreckage.


3. India can restrict access to protect the integrity of the investigation and to ensure compliance with safety and national security standards.



For insurance companies or plane owners:

They may request access, but cannot demand it.

Authorities may share findings later, or allow limited access under supervision, but it's entirely at the discretion of the Indian government.


Exception:

If the aircraft is registered in another country, the state of registry, state of manufacture, or state of operator may be invited to appoint accredited representatives, but they still need India's consent.

Conclusion:

So yes, India can legally refuse any external party from conducting their own forensic investigation on a crash within Indian jurisdiction.
Lucky you not continue lor. But the dum2 above even bring in people's father really low class scum.

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Lucky you not continue lor. But the dum2 above even bring in people's father really low class scum.
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Ayam today no mood to enter discussio liao. My flight to oberseas is coming soon
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Jun 17 2025, 11:48 AM)
Ayam today no mood to enter discussio liao. My flight to oberseas is coming soon
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1. Don't fly air india
2. Don't fly boeing
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 16 2025, 12:48 PM)
If the news of maintenance  issue official, many will avoid this airline like plague ad.. but as usual, indian will still take one la
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Their flights mostly packed and sold out, that's why they don't care about customer service or maintenance
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Their flights mostly packed and sold out, that's why they don't care about customer service or maintenance
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Like train only
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QUOTE(treblecase @ Jun 16 2025, 10:23 AM)
Typical la of Bharat to sensationalised everything. Majority of news outlets are calling it a pilot’s error.
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Of course that's the first go to for western media when the pilot isn't one of their own
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QUOTE(nobrainer86 @ Jun 17 2025, 12:00 PM)
1. Don't fly air india
2. Don't fly boeing
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Thank God no lol
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 17 2025, 10:33 AM)
Once crash then they must comply to send the wreckage to authority.

If they did not do maintainance, of course they wont assign own forensic to prove ownself guilty. You are really dum2

The state owned that airlines for 7 decades previously. Of course will protect its reputation lar. Why you so dum2 ah?
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You are right.

India denies entry to UN aviation investigator in Air India crash probe, say sources
June 25 (Reuters) - India would not allow a UN investigator to join a probe of a crashed Air India jet that some safety experts had criticized for delays in analysis of crucial black box data, two senior sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
Earlier this week, the United Nations aviation agency took the unusual step of offering India one of its investigators to provide assistance following the Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab 787-8 Dreamliner crash killing 260 people in Ahmedabad on June 12.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/...ces-2025-06-26/

 

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