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TSericyong
post Jun 12 2025, 09:31 AM, updated 6 months ago

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Govt announced the 6% SST on construction contracts for all non-residential projects.

This 6% SST on construction amounts to at least 3% of GDV....

Take this new SST. Next coming tax will be the Carbon tax on steel products - impact not sure yet.


But means overall will see developers incurring at least 3-5% more.
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post Jun 12 2025, 09:58 AM

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No impact to residential boss?
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 09:31 AM)
Govt announced the 6% SST on construction contracts for all non-residential projects.

This 6% SST on construction amounts to at least 3% of GDV....

Take this new SST. Next coming tax will be the Carbon tax on steel products - impact not sure yet.
But means overall will see developers incurring at least 3-5% more.
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6% sst impact 3% gdv

Means developer margin is 50% lo

1000 unit, sell 500 already cover all costing
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 12 2025, 10:10 AM)
6% sst impact 3% gdv

Means developer margin is 50% lo

1000 unit, sell 500 already cover all costing
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lol u wish....

construction cost averages at 50+% of GDV


then theres consultant fees... about 8-10% of GDV
authority fees (IWK, planning, DO, BP etc) around 10% of GDV
sales and marketing cost... say 5%

not forgetting land cost.... say 10% of GDV

take all the above, add in financing cost about 5%...


developer makes a gross of 10+%




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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 10:25 AM)
lol u wish....

construction cost averages at 50+% of GDV
then theres consultant fees... about 8-10% of GDV
authority fees (IWK, planning, DO, BP etc) around 10% of GDV
sales and marketing cost... say 5%

not forgetting land cost.... say 10% of GDV

take all the above, add in financing cost about 5%...
developer makes a gross of 10+%
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Cannot be low la 10%..
Maybe for entry level developer.
Nowadays those got name one probably running near 20%
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post Jun 12 2025, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 12 2025, 10:30 AM)
Cannot be low la 10%..
Maybe for entry level developer.
Nowadays those got name one probably running near 20%
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can.... u buy the land since many years ago lor, then land cost cheaper.
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post Jun 12 2025, 10:42 AM

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Pardon siudai to point out the time line

Even at 30% nett profit for the entire project it will take 48 mths for normal high rise to be completed nowadays if the project is huge.

Planning stage is easily 1yr if the developer is efficient.

So 30% / 5yrs = 6% per annum.

Can be higher can be lower.

It's nvr gonna be 20% or lower to be honest.

Don't forget certain developments are riding on the hype of the particular location. Hence, the higher margin.

When siudai mentioned about the lower margin, very like is the holding cost for unsold units over the years till vp which might lead to bigger discount.

There are developments that sold out in short span of time or very minimal holding of units with higher selling price upon disposal to compensate the holding costs.

End day it's more of the strong ones win more the weak ones got wiped out automatically.

There is no charity in business. If developer can sell well, don't expect they are friendly type. On the other hand, if developers are not making money then it's best not to commence till the Econ favours them in terms of pricing. Who would wanna run a losing business right?

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post Jun 12 2025, 11:02 AM

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Just curious if those service apartments projects under commercial title or HDA with commercial would be impacted?
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 12 2025, 10:42 AM)
Pardon siudai to point out the time line

Even at 30% nett profit for the entire project it will take 48 mths for normal high rise to be completed nowadays if the project is huge.

Planning stage is easily 1yr if the developer is efficient.

So 30% / 5yrs = 6% per annum.

Can be higher can be lower.

It's nvr gonna be 20% or lower to be honest.

Don't forget certain developments are riding on the hype of the particular location. Hence, the higher margin.

When siudai mentioned about the lower margin, very like is the holding cost for unsold units over the years till vp which might lead to bigger discount.

There are developments that sold out in short span of time or very minimal holding of units with higher selling price upon disposal to compensate the holding costs.

End day it's more of the strong ones win more the weak ones got wiped out automatically.

There is no charity in business. If developer can sell well, don't expect they are friendly type. On the other hand, if developers are not making money then it's best not to commence till the Econ favours them in terms of pricing. Who would wanna run a losing business right?
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lol... your timeline very optimistic already.

nowadays...

day 1 land purchase

planning, thoughts, design, marketing study ..... 3-4 months

submission for DO until DO approval.... 3 months

submission for BP until approval.... another 3 months

SiFus / AP / DL .... another 2-3 months

KPKT extension (say from 36 months to 48/54 months) .... another 1-2 months

construction itself... including piling - averagely 36-42 months (depends on how high)

authority clearances, TNB, IWK, Bomba, CCC.... about 4 months in total

strata title application.... 3-6 months


from land purchase til VP.... 66 months averagely. n even at VP.... your billing is still not 100% yet, still got stakeholders sum, HDA deposit etc...

wait another 24 months to collect balance money back
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QUOTE(swing123 @ Jun 12 2025, 11:02 AM)
Just curious if those service apartments projects under commercial title or HDA with commercial would be impacted?
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as of now , only RESIDENTIAL titled properties are exempted.

All others kena
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post Jun 12 2025, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 11:02 AM)
lol... your timeline very optimistic already.

nowadays...

day 1 land purchase

planning, thoughts, design, marketing study ..... 3-4 months

submission for DO until DO approval.... 3 months

submission for BP until approval.... another 3 months

SiFus / AP / DL .... another 2-3 months

KPKT extension (say from 36 months to 48/54 months) .... another 1-2 months

construction itself... including piling - averagely 36-42 months (depends on how high)

authority clearances, TNB, IWK, Bomba, CCC.... about 4 months in total

strata title application.... 3-6 months
from land purchase til VP.... 66 months averagely. n even at VP.... your billing is still not 100% yet, still got stakeholders sum, HDA deposit etc...

wait another 24 months to collect balance money back
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My apology big bossi siudai forgotten to mention the lands are already in pocket liao. So the time line shown is actually the commencement of planning stage 😁

And the DLP shouldn't be included as the final collections are considered safe in kocek unless the developers are cutting corners which will eventually lead to another issue.

So basically I would agree to lengthen the time line to 6 full years rather than 5 years.

So 5% now uun uun jiak mi hoon 🤩
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 11:03 AM)
as of now , only RESIDENTIAL titled properties are exempted.

All others kena
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Bossi bossi

Resi exempted in charging sst but the confusing part is will sst being waived on those materials meant for resi developments???
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 12 2025, 10:42 AM)
Pardon siudai to point out the time line

Even at 30% nett profit for the entire project it will take 48 mths for normal high rise to be completed nowadays if the project is huge.

Planning stage is easily 1yr if the developer is efficient.

So 30% / 5yrs = 6% per annum.

Can be higher can be lower.

It's nvr gonna be 20% or lower to be honest.

Don't forget certain developments are riding on the hype of the particular location. Hence, the higher margin.

When siudai mentioned about the lower margin, very like is the holding cost for unsold units over the years till vp which might lead to bigger discount.

There are developments that sold out in short span of time or very minimal holding of units with higher selling price upon disposal to compensate the holding costs.

End day it's more of the strong ones win more the weak ones got wiped out automatically.

There is no charity in business. If developer can sell well, don't expect they are friendly type. On the other hand, if developers are not making money then it's best not to commence till the Econ favours them in terms of pricing. Who would wanna run a losing business right?
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Yea.. u r right.. where got developer do so big project with huge risk for just 10%

Last time i ask uoa one, the contractor sendiri say at least got 40% profit margin..
All is sell 60% , the other 40% is prepare for gross profit
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 11:02 AM)
lol... your timeline very optimistic already.

nowadays...

day 1 land purchase

planning, thoughts, design, marketing study ..... 3-4 months

submission for DO until DO approval.... 3 months

submission for BP until approval.... another 3 months

SiFus / AP / DL .... another 2-3 months

KPKT extension (say from 36 months to 48/54 months) .... another 1-2 months

construction itself... including piling - averagely 36-42 months (depends on how high)

authority clearances, TNB, IWK, Bomba, CCC.... about 4 months in total

strata title application.... 3-6 months
from land purchase til VP.... 66 months averagely. n even at VP.... your billing is still not 100% yet, still got stakeholders sum, HDA deposit etc...

wait another 24 months to collect balance money back
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You are not in development business.

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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 12 2025, 12:16 PM)
Yea.. u r right.. where got developer do so big project with huge risk for just 10%

Last time i ask uoa one, the contractor sendiri say at least got 40%  profit margin..
All is sell 60% , the other 40% is prepare for gross profit
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This is not realistic lah. I have developer clients. In the past (10 to 15 yrs ago) for JV projects - gross profit was 30%. Now best case is 15% if sell all. We will definitely see a slowdown in launches as developers unsure of how to price their products. For strong developers with existing landbank (eg. former plantation land acquired decades ago),they are safer and can continue to launch since they got big buffer. For small developers, these are tough times. Expect to see even higher density high rises to keep costs lower and smaller size units. Development business is now high risk and lower reward.
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 11:03 AM)
as of now , only RESIDENTIAL titled properties are exempted.

All others kena
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Subsale included, right?
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Jun 12 2025, 01:22 PM)
This is not realistic lah. I have developer clients. In the past (10 to 15 yrs ago) for JV projects - gross profit was 30%. Now best case is 15% if sell all. We will definitely see a slowdown in launches as developers unsure of how to price their products. For strong developers with existing landbank (eg. former plantation land acquired decades ago),they are safer and can continue to launch since they got big buffer. For small developers, these are tough times. Expect to see even higher density high rises to keep costs lower and smaller size units. Development business is now high risk and lower reward.
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Now still doable with higher density. Tats is why u see condo reaching level 60.

Last time punya condo is lvl 20 till 30 best case.
Now punya condo is level 40 to 60.
So the margin still there one when the land office give them plot ratio adjustment..

If 10% margin for 5 yrs, makan taik lo. How to fund for future land bank?

If 8 to10% for 1 yr and project is going for 4 5 yrs, then ok la..
So 5 yrs × 8% = 40% make sense


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thanks TS you share some really good insights
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 12 2025, 12:25 PM)
You are not in development business.
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Hi boss

Eric is actually in construction industry

Highly related to development

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 12 2025, 02:25 PM)
Hi boss

Eric is actually in construction industry

Highly related to development
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Km in 3 months, BP in 3 months?! Realistic or not.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 12 2025, 02:27 PM)
Km in 3 months, BP in 3 months?! Realistic or not.
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No comment on tat. Eric bossi might wanna clarify but siudai kenot represent.
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QUOTE(Boomwick @ Jun 12 2025, 01:59 PM)
Now still doable with higher density. Tats is why u see condo reaching level 60.

Last time punya condo is lvl 20 till 30 best case.
Now punya condo is level 40 to 60.
So the margin still there one when the land office give them plot ratio adjustment..

If 10% margin for 5 yrs, makan taik lo. How to fund for future land bank?

If 8 to10% for 1 yr and project is going for 4 5 yrs, then ok la..
So 5 yrs × 8% = 40% make sense
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More units more risk cannot sell enough
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Jun 12 2025, 04:15 PM)
More units more risk cannot sell enough
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Like i say, more unit, easier breakeven.
Sell 60% sudah cukup cover base at least
But if the product is not sellable at all, u put 2000 3000 4000 unit also die la.. because wont even move

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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 12 2025, 09:31 AM)
Govt announced the 6% SST on construction contracts for all non-residential projects.

This 6% SST on construction amounts to at least 3% of GDV....

Take this new SST. Next coming tax will be the Carbon tax on steel products - impact not sure yet.
But means overall will see developers incurring at least 3-5% more.
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Boss,
Noora affected?
Or can use the 12 months period?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 12 2025, 02:27 PM)
Km in 3 months, BP in 3 months?! Realistic or not.
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lol.... my previous KM/BP.... 2+4 months.... so it is TECHNICALLY possible and realistic.


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QUOTE(Longshot @ Jun 12 2025, 05:49 PM)
Boss,
Noora affected?
Or can use the 12 months period?
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i cant comment on this part yet, still working out on the terminologies and loopholes
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 13 2025, 09:13 AM)
lol.... my previous KM/BP.... 2+4 months.... so it is TECHNICALLY possible and realistic.
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Fom hardcopy submission? What about time since online submission?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 13 2025, 09:18 AM)
Fom hardcopy submission? What about time since online submission?
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my most recent one is Interpoint klang
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 13 2025, 09:20 AM)
my most recent one is Interpoint klang
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Certainly not for industrial.

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Pls do something to the share . Losing 5 digits since 2017 holding till now and not paying dividend anymore . icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(ericyong @ Jun 13 2025, 09:15 AM)
i cant comment on this part yet, still working out on the terminologies and loopholes
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Understand boss.
Another concern is the sales tax.
The scope is very very wide and mostly at 10% with certain items at 5%.
Exempt items are mainly food items.

This plus rental and leasing are also subject to service tax, it's going to be hit by either one. Really not easy to avoid.


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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...r-hda-says-nga/

at least now service apt also exempted
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 12 2025, 12:25 PM)
You are not in development business.
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bruh, his handle is explicitly eric yong.

Now you are not in development business.
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QUOTE(kbandito @ Jun 25 2025, 10:04 AM)
bruh, his handle is explicitly eric yong.

Now you are not in development business.
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lol... nowadays depends on which authority, which municipal....

 

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