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post Jun 11 2025, 02:16 PM, updated 7 months ago

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wumaos: since 2000 people were saying CCP is collapsing

today, let the CCP proves itself that is suffering a slow death


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China’s consumer prices fall for fourth month in May amid weak demand, trade tensions
The country’s consumer price index dropped by 0.1 per cent last month, while prices at the factory gate were down 3.3 per cent

China’s consumer prices declined for a fourth straight month in May, highlighting persistent deflationary pressures driven by sluggish demand and trade tensions with the United States, which are compounding inventory strains for manufacturers.

The national consumer price index (CPI), a key gauge of inflation, fell 0.1 per cent year on year last month, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics on Monday.

The figure beat market expectations after a poll by financial provider Wind forecasted a 0.17 per cent drop. In April, the CPI saw a 0.1 per cent year-on-year decline.

“China is boosting consumption with greater intensity and more precise measures. New quality productive forces are growing stronger, and supply-demand relationships in some sectors have improved, leading to positive price changes,” said Dong Lijuan, chief statistician of the bureau.

China’s CPI in May also marked a 0.2 per cent contraction from April. Dong said that a decline in energy prices was the main cause of the drop.

China is grappling with persistent deflationary risks due to sluggish domestic demand and oversupply, while uncertainty over trade continues to cloud suppliers’ ability to clear excess inventory, adding to deflationary pressures. A new round of trade talks between China and the United States is set to take place in London on Monday.

Zhang Zhiwei, president and chief economist of Pinpoint Asset Management, said the May CPI figures underscored China’s ongoing deflationary pressures.

“The price war in the auto sector is another signal of fierce competition driving prices lower,” he said, referring to major carmakers offering steep discounts in late May that drew a warning from Beijing.

In May, food prices declined by 0.4 per cent from a year earlier, while service prices rose by 0.5 per cent, according to the statistics bureau.

Prices for other goods and services and clothing rose by 7.3 per cent and 1.5 per cent, respectively, while housing saw an increase of 0.1 per cent.

Core inflation, which excludes volatile food and energy prices, rose 0.6 per cent year on year last month.

China’s producer price index (PPI), which tracks factory gate prices, fell by 3.3 per cent last month, marking the 31st consecutive month of contraction.

The reading was steeper than the 3.17 per cent decline forecasted by Wind, and marked a 0.4 per cent drop from the previous month.

Dong attributed the decline to “international imported factors”, noting a drop in oil and natural gas, as well as seasonal declines in the prices of some energy and industrial materials at home.
In light of the data release, Goldman Sachs revised its forecast for China’s PPI for 2025, to a decline of 2.4 per cent vs an earlier estimated drop of 2.1 per cent.

“While CPI prints are on track with our current quarterly forecasts, the weaker-than-expected PPI prints suggest more deflationary pressures on China’s PPI inflation for 2025 and 2026 than we previously anticipated,” Goldman Sachs analysts said in a note.
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post Jun 11 2025, 02:17 PM

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from official CCP stats

https://www.douyin.com/root/search/%E4%B8%A...44&type=general


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post Jun 11 2025, 02:19 PM

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China first year recession is 2021. Already 4 years haven't recover.
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post Jun 11 2025, 02:20 PM

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Just economy slow down.
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Over the past 50 years, Japan's Consumer Price Index (CPI) has displayed a mixed trend, with periods of deflation, low inflation, and more recently, rising inflation.
Key Observations:
Deflationary Period (1990s-2010s):
Japan experienced a prolonged period of deflation following the bursting of the asset bubble in the early 1990s, leading to negative CPI growth for several years. This was accompanied by weak economic growth and chronic demand shortages.
Low Inflation (Post-Deflation):
After the deflationary period, Japan's CPI remained relatively low, with annual changes hovering around 0% or slightly positive.
Recent Rise in Inflation (Post-COVID):
More recently, Japan has seen a rise in inflation, with the CPI moving into positive territory and exceeding the Bank of Japan's 2% target.
Factors Influencing CPI:
Asset Bubble Burst (1990s): The bursting of the asset bubble and the subsequent economic turmoil contributed to the deflationary period.
Global Economic Factors: Events like the oil crisis in the 1970s and the COVID-19 pandemic have also impacted Japan's CPI.
Monetary Policy: The Bank of Japan has used monetary policy tools, including quantitative easing and negative interest rates, to address deflation and stimulate the economy.
Government Subsidies: Changes in government subsidies, such as those for electricity and gas bills, can also impact the CPI.
Historical Highs and Lows:
The CPI has fluctuated significantly over the past 50 years, reaching an all-time high of 24.00% in October 1974 and a record low of -2.40% in October 2009.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 11 2025, 03:46 PM)
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oh my oh my...anyway losers still being losers
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 11 2025, 03:50 PM)
China first year recession is 2021. Already 4 years haven't recover.
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thats why. 5000 years lesson also dont learn laugh.gif
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if u know anyone from china they will tell u the same, for a few years d...

whatever progress they made in economy is artificially boosted by the gov, but cannot last for long.. eventually its long slide down... how fast u go down depends on gov intervention
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jun 11 2025, 02:23 PM)
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They syok until pancut already. Better than Fentanyl.. 🤪
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jun 11 2025, 02:25 PM)
thats why. 5000 years lesson also dont learn laugh.gif
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One thing I salute about their govt. They dont mind to put their population into hardship. Maybe they do learn from their 5000 years civilization.


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if my stuff coming from China is getting cheaper, i be happy or else no.

but large economies like China, US, Japan will hardly likely face collapse even if in war. slowdown maybe but no government will ever allow it to collapse, not to mention there is always external loans available for last resort.

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QUOTE(vassilius @ Jun 11 2025, 02:28 PM)
They syok until pancut already. Better than Fentanyl..  🤪
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true also, they day day watch gravitas, more syiok than fentanyl
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Another saying ccp gonna die, dengar till sien kaw jor la ... die jor baru cakap bole.
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post Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM

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Deflation isn't good thing?
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post Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM

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So that means cheaper ccpEVs and Taobao right?
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
Another saying ccp gonna die, dengar till sien kaw jor la ... die jor baru cakap bole.
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since 1989 already china gonna collapse

but,


oh well
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
Deflation isn't  good thing?
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Inflation : good for capitalists, bad for consumers
Deflation : bad for capitalists, RIP for consumers
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
Deflation isn't  good thing?
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It means stuff aren't selling and people aren't buying. Job cuts usually follow deflation.
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
Deflation isn't  good thing?
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Deflation is sugarcoat version of recession. Good prices fall, manufacturers out of business. Consumer demand fell. Job cuts everywhere. Supply > demand. Hence, deflation.




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China - Deflation
USA - Inflation
Who will die first?

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post Jun 11 2025, 02:37 PM

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deflation not good?
money becomes powerful
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QUOTE(Efalex @ Jun 11 2025, 02:37 PM)
China - Deflation
USA - Inflation
Who will die first?
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USA got much more than inflation
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 11 2025, 03:59 PM)
One thing I salute about their govt. They dont mind to put their population into hardship. Maybe they do learn from their 5000 years civilization.
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so when consumer price increase only good?

means more expensive stuff? inflation?

so Malaysia Price Hike is good then?

been questioning how the world measure GDP growth. mostly are just BNPL and inflation jer these day. no real improvement.
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Ini baru risk of deflation

Consumer prices, energy prices, ex factory prices

Luckily services and other essentials still got inflation
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:38 PM)
so when consumer price increase only good?

means more expensive stuff? inflation?

so Malaysia Price Hike is good then?

been questioning how the world measure GDP growth. mostly are just BNPL and inflation jer these day. no real improvement.
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inflation is capitalist trick to keep pipit poor and loyal workers
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jun 11 2025, 02:37 PM)
deflation not good?
money becomes powerful
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Yes, if you have money or haven't lost source of income.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:38 PM)
so when consumer price increase only good?

means more expensive stuff? inflation?

so Malaysia Price Hike is good then?

been questioning how the world measure GDP growth. mostly are just BNPL and inflation jer these day. no real improvement.
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If prices go up following the supply curve meaning got healthy non artificial demand usually its a good thing

Ppl are more affluent and can afford more , supply can keep up, prices on the up. When demand far out strip supply , prices will shoot up but not necessarily bad, ppl again got alot of money chasing after too few goods

What we dont want is during those covid and post covid China lockdown and Ukraine war starting inflation. That is supply side inflation, cost is going up forcing producers to increase price for same or dwindling demand.


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 11 2025, 04:08 PM)
USA got much more than inflation
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everyone in between.

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America can print to oblivion and the world have no chance but to accept too, China pouring money down the blackhole.

sure, decouple from USD...then you trade with RENminbye?

More china release their reserve, the more the blackhole gets.

the end is who stomach the risk? Not your AMDK jilater or Wumao lovers.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:38 PM)
so when consumer price increase only good?

means more expensive stuff? inflation?

so Malaysia Price Hike is good then?

been questioning how the world measure GDP growth. mostly are just BNPL and inflation jer these day. no real improvement.
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Msia consumer sentiments still decent, sometimes have to appreciate Malays for their willingness and courage to spend despite the BNPL addiction, without them, businesses like ZUS, Chagee, and Oriental would have long gone

weekend crowds in malls especially in eateries always have to queue for tables

Popmart stores full of Gen Zs queuing

I guess CCP Popmart makes most of its revenue in oversea markets


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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 02:42 PM)
If prices go up following the supply curve meaning got healthy non artificial demand usually its a good thing

Ppl are more affluent and can afford more , supply can keep up, prices on the up. When demand far out strip supply , prices will shoot up but not necessarily bad, ppl again got alot of money chasing after too few goods

What we dont want is during those covid and post covid China lockdown and Ukraine war starting inflation. That is supply side inflation, cost is going up forcing producers to increase price for same or dwindling demand.
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so Malaysia Price Hike is good?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
since 1989 already china gonna collapse

but,
oh well
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if your context of collapse is total annihilation of something, eg. complete vanish like Maya civilization, then you are too naived and dumb

fwiw, even Palestine is still there despite losing over and over again


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QUOTE(Efalex @ Jun 11 2025, 02:37 PM)
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USA even worse. Stagflation. Low growth and high inflation.
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Penipu scammer ni. Inflation all time high, share market also up up up. China gomen print so much money the economy will only keep going up. If got money go all in China stocks and properties.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 11 2025, 02:43 PM)
Msia consumer sentiments still decent, sometimes have to appreciate Malays for their willingness and courage to spend despite the BNPL addiction, without them, businesses like ZUS, Chagee, and Oriental would have long gone

weekend crowds in malls especially in eateries always have to queue for tables

Popmart stores full of Gen Zs queuing

I guess CCP Popmart makes most of its revenue in oversea markets
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you said already. BNPL that's just borrowing future money. root cause from my view is still the Jew created usury system. still looking forward to the day when this system can be abandoned. i don't want to live in forever debt.

and Type C in Malaysia also like to save not willing to spend similar to China people, so demand gone. its just different culture. later TypeM take boleh bayar, become bankrupt or hutang tak perlu bayar.

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so trip to China now, best?
mohon what app must install before touch down China
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:43 PM)
so Malaysia Price Hike is good?
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The problem is not inflation. It's the rate of inflation. Generally, a slight inflation is healthy. The world has seen deflation during the great depression. There's a reason why it's called the great depression.

QUOTE(Hsing Tien @ Jun 11 2025, 02:47 PM)
I don't know about China, but I think US situation now is 1000x worse


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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:43 PM)
so Malaysia Price Hike is good?
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Technically nope

Price hike because of supply side inflation is bad but prices wont go down until demand goes down.

But domestic and private consumption rises so there is a buffer somewhere that is fueling this. Wages, ppl spending wisely (channelling from less important A to B) or even EPF account 3. Or some biz have been able to buffer the costs better than those that come out in newspaper rising prices.





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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Jun 11 2025, 02:49 PM)
The problem is not inflation. It's the rate of inflation. Generally, a slight inflation is healthy. The world has seen deflation during the great depression. There's a reason why it's called the great depression.
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the slight inflation of 2% yearly is what world order has set humans on.

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so trip to China now, best?
mohon what app must install before touch down China
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Alipay, Wechat as backup. AMAP for maps. Meituan for ordering stuff online like food. Didi for ehailing.

If you want to go visit places that is not free, always book online first

Can use Klook to book first but it will be more expensive if you book directly

Touchdown in China, get a local tel line in the airport as a lot of apps works better with China phone number


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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:53 PM)
the slight inflation of 2% yearly is what world order has set humans on.
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Like the poster said above

Avoid hyperinflation, avoid wide scale deflation

Those are the extreme ends of the supply curve. Heck maybe supply curve also cannot cover

That is when shit hit the fan in the economy and nothing makes sense


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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 11 2025, 02:43 PM)
Msia consumer sentiments still decent, sometimes have to appreciate Malays for their willingness and courage to spend despite the BNPL addiction, without them, businesses like ZUS, Chagee, and Oriental would have long gone

weekend crowds in malls especially in eateries always have to queue for tables

Popmart stores full of Gen Zs queuing

I guess CCP Popmart makes most of its revenue in oversea markets
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Have to agree with you on this lol. My malay relatives would spend money on non-essential things like you mentioned even though they don't have much money, whereas I think my Chinese blood made me hesitant to spend on unnecessary things when my wallet's tight.
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the slight inflation of 2% yearly is what world order has set humans on.
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For growth to continue, productivity and population has to trend upwards. These 2 trending upwards means more money has to be printed or else there will be less money on average for everyone. If more money is being printed but deflation takes place, this means that on average, everyone's productivity value is worth and rewarded with less and less. Inflation must absolutely happen, again, it just depends on the rate. 2% is generally healthy for the rate of world population growth but of course, different country will have to handle it differently based on their situation.
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so china still collapsing or already collapse?
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Hooray! china is collapsing with deflation...
Luckily they still produce like mad and sell to us here in Malaysia....

let China collapse while we enjoy the cheap products from there. Stupid CCP subsidizing everyone while killing their economy.

hehe... logic kan? haha
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Dalam alipay banyak mini app. Boleh auto translate kalau buta huruf tak pandai putonghua. Pergi order mixue, luckin. Tengok orang beratur macamana. Tengok mall orang beli barang macamana. Lepas beli phone huawei/xiaomi beli kereta sekali matchy-matchy color handphone. Then kau nak makan cerita media US tu kau punya pasal.

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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jun 11 2025, 03:03 PM)
so china still collapsing or already collapse?
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the way some media and so many ktards here saying... if one didn't use one's brain to think rationally, would have taught long ago collapsed already... haha
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emperor say defaltion is good, can buy cheap stuff
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Jun 11 2025, 03:01 PM)
For growth to continue, productivity and population has to trend upwards. These 2 trending upwards means more money has to be printed or else there will be less money on average for everyone. If more money is being printed but deflation takes place, this means that on average, everyone's productivity value is worth and rewarded with less and less. Inflation must absolutely happen, again, it just depends on the rate. 2% is generally healthy for the rate of world population growth but of course, different country will have to handle it differently based on their situation.
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well if you don't mind living on interest upon interest then go on.
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but but but...

ktards all say deflation is good one. always complain inflation.

now they should rejoice right?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 03:08 PM)
well if you don't mind living on interest upon interest then go on.
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I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. Maybe you can elaborate?
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Is a whole wide world issue, while most Malaysian still complaining about Malaysia. A lot of my friends working at oversea also say that Malaysia is still lucky, most basic food, facilities, services and especially medical fee still reasonable but people just keep complaining when others price up. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Jun 11 2025, 02:49 PM)
The problem is not inflation. It's the rate of inflation. Generally, a slight inflation is healthy. The world has seen deflation during the great depression. There's a reason why it's called the great depression.
Always be careful with what you watch and consume online. Economic data, net migration rate and information from people you know who actually stays there are often much more reliable than youtube videos especially now that creators and news outlets are incentivized to create sensationalized content to grab views.
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This channel pretty factual




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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 11 2025, 03:06 PM)
Deflation is great for retirees.
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Only if they r rich enuf n self sufficient.
If depends on handout from children cos ANAK TU REZEKI, then good luck if anak masih ada kerja.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jun 11 2025, 03:14 PM)
Is a whole wide world issue, while most Malaysian still complaining about Malaysia. A lot of my friends working at oversea also say that Malaysia is still lucky, most basic food, facilities, services and especially medical fee still reasonable but people just keep complaining when others price up.  laugh.gif
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Yes MY could be even better if....
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QUOTE(Hsing Tien @ Jun 11 2025, 02:47 PM)
I don't know about China, but I think US situation now is 1000x worse


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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jun 11 2025, 03:14 PM)
Is a whole wide world issue, while most Malaysian still complaining about Malaysia. A lot of my friends working at oversea also say that Malaysia is still lucky, most basic food, facilities, services and especially medical fee still reasonable but people just keep complaining when others price up.  laugh.gif
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If ur friends feel Msia scenario so good, why did they work overseas? innocent.gif Ask them come back immediately lah. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Jun 11 2025, 04:13 PM)
so Malaysia Price Hike is good?
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Malaysia every day business owner up up..where got discount. laugh.gif Even stuff 20 years ago.

QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 11 2025, 04:15 PM)
if your context of collapse is total annihilation of something, eg. complete vanish like Maya civilization, then you are too naived and dumb

fwiw, even Palestine is still there despite losing over and over again
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But they palestine isnt a producer and consumer.
they are the scapegoat for weapon defense industry test out whistling.gif

QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Jun 11 2025, 04:16 PM)
Penipu scammer ni. Inflation all time high, share market also up up up. China gomen print so much money the economy will only keep going up. If got money go all in China stocks and properties.
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Jun 11 2025, 03:18 PM)
This channel pretty factual

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You do realize that too much inflation is fought with increasing interest rate? That would mean the FED hasn't lost, in fact, they did great to only cut rates once and they were right on being very conservative on cutting rates or else inflation would be even way worse.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 11 2025, 04:36 PM)
Deflation is great for retirees.
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great for retireess bad for millennial generation

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
since 1989 already china gonna collapse

but,
oh well
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outsiders talk whatever they want, China just move forward as it is while outsiders just stay where they are while blaming the whole world for their own predicament and talk about freedom, chaos, riots. These people just insignificant.
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Jun 11 2025, 04:56 PM)
You do realize that too much inflation is fought with increasing interest rate? That would mean the FED hasn't lost, in fact, they did great to only cut rates once and they were right on being very conservative on cutting rates or else inflation would be even way worse.
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better be worst and let it gone into dust than containing it. sometime, it got to get bad before it gets better.

so swallow the hard pills.

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Normal lah. When I decouple from my ex-girlfriend, my economy will suddenly go into deflation, suddenly the wallet always very full, a lot money in the savings accouunt nobody help me spent.

China just needs a new girlfriends/wives to help him spent his world #1 overproduction lah, you all girls hurry up go and apply lor.

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better be worst and let it gone into dust than containing it. sometime, it got to get bad before it gets better.

so swallow the hard pills.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 11 2025, 03:24 PM)
If ur friends feel Msia scenario so good, why did they work overseas?  innocent.gif Ask them come back immediately lah.  tongue.gif
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Easier to build up wealth in developed countries professionally. Then come back with millions of RM to retire.
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Inflation korang tak suker

Deflation korang jugak tak puas



Apo korang mao?
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jun 11 2025, 04:37 PM)
emperor say defaltion is good, can buy cheap stuff
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and does the emperor clean up all the cheap stuffs after via buy back scheme?

in one life cycle of human, there is only how much you need.

why the rich gets richer and consumed less while the below certain threshold keep buying and ended with more consumer trash? icon_idea.gif

Like EV price wars. what happened?



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Easier to build up wealth in developed countries professionally. Then come back with millions of RM to retire.
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Easier to build up wealth in developed countries professionally. Then come back with millions of RM to retire.
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So Msia is only good for retirement… whistling.gif
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It's a good thing none of us have a say.
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jun 11 2025, 03:32 PM)
and does the emperor clean up all the cheap stuffs after via buy back scheme?

in one life cycle of human, there is only how much you need.

why the rich gets richer and consumed less while the below certain threshold keep buying and ended with more consumer trash? icon_idea.gif

Like EV price wars. what happened?
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cheap ev good for human race? blush.gif blush.gif
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Civil war can be extorted?
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You call that civil war???
Great....let recategorized 513 and 605 as civil war
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QUOTE(anakkk @ Jun 11 2025, 05:09 PM)
cheap ev good for human race?  blush.gif  blush.gif
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until it caught fire in your own house owai console.gif console.gif
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until it caught fire in your own house owai console.gif  console.gif
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 02:38 PM)
JohnL77

Ini baru risk of deflation

Consumer prices, energy prices, ex factory prices

Luckily services and other essentials still got inflation
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Property price in my will drop or not ?
This is all I care .
Baru beli condo 1 biji with 0 down payment. .

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jun 11 2025, 03:33 PM)
So Msia is only good for retirement… whistling.gif
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Used to be good by doing biz too. Makan gaji tak boleh lah
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Property price in my will drop or not ?
This is all I care .
Baru beli condo 1 biji with 0 down payment. .
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Drop another 60% then buy.
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Properteh Developers all got jizz by sudden SST.

Cant wait them to die and let good one live.


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Drop another 60% then buy.
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Properteh Developers all got jizz by sudden SST.

Cant wait them to die and let good one live.
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Ini macam I likely kena upcar by the imminent deflation
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 03:00 PM)
Alipay, Wechat as backup. AMAP for maps. Meituan for ordering stuff online like food. Didi for ehailing.

If you want to go visit places that is not free, always book online first

Can use Klook to book first but it will be more expensive if you book directly

Touchdown in China, get a local tel line in the airport as a lot of apps works better with China phone number
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a lot of china citizens saddled on huge property loans and still paying higher instalment and high interest on it

Now with China 10 years bond yield at 1.7%, the FD interest also reduce, government intend to let those their property loan to be refinance/restructure with a lower interest rate. If they manage to do this then there will be more spending power and stimulate their domestic economy.
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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Jun 11 2025, 03:03 PM)
so china still collapsing or already collapse?
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I believe they already collapsed like 50-70%. Now watching EV car industry waiting for collapse. Overproduction + price war + products dumping. Perfect recipe for disaster.
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your username checkout well with you biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 11 2025, 05:30 PM)
a lot of china citizens saddled on huge property loans and still paying higher instalment and high interest on it

Now with China 10 years bond yield at 1.7%, the FD interest also reduce, government intend to let those their property loan to be refinance/restructure with a lower interest rate. If they manage to do this then there will be more spending power and stimulate their domestic economy.
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but who is not playing their game?

release more money ended also not going to solve problem.

James Bond also skeptical. laugh.gif
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Jangan yini machiam, I am echoing the thoughts of ktards only. When I give them sound and prudent financial views, I kena kecam. So have to join them if you can't beat them.

All in Nvidia!!!!!
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why not SMCI? brows.gif
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Consumers rejoice
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Jangan yini machiam, I am echoing the thoughts of ktards only. When I give them sound and prudent financial views, I kena kecam. So have to join them if you can't beat them.

All in Nvidia!!!!!
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why Nvidia? you offloading?

I see scammer here.

Anyway.


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If ur friends feel Msia scenario so good, why did they work overseas?  innocent.gif Ask them come back immediately lah.  tongue.gif
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They already plan to retire back here in Malaysia as still got house/property here.
Most of them only work for money at oversea as they are not discriminate as per here.
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 11 2025, 04:03 PM)
I believe they already collapsed like 50-70%. Now watching EV car industry waiting for collapse. Overproduction + price war + products dumping. Perfect recipe for disaster.
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EV is easy to solve lah, just total absolute ban rare earth export, only China can make cars already. Even ICE cars also need rare earths.
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Well thanks to ccp exporting their cheap goods. Baru kito boleh enjoice cheap stuff.
Kalo x. Mana nk dpt blueberry less than rm10 a box, for example
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jun 11 2025, 04:13 PM)
why not SMCI? brows.gif
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That's what everyone is buying now. I don't own any Nvidia.
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Apa yang inflate sudah pasti akan deflate. Sama ada controlled or sudden
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I tot k/ like deflation coz things get cheaper?
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 11 2025, 02:20 PM)
China first year recession is 2021. Already 4 years haven't recover.
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Yes, agree.

Chronology:

- 2001 = USA foolishly allowed the more evil CCP China to join the WTO = FDI poured into China due to much lower costs = CCP China soon became the Factory of the World and then very rich and developed, especially by being copycats, stealing technology, hacking companies, exploiting its people as "slave labor", etc.

- 2018 = Trump's US-China Trade War = US Tariffs reduced some imports from CCP China.

- late 2018 = the Huawei-Meng Wanzhou and Michael Spavor/Kovrig case caused some US-Canada companies to leave CCP China.

- 2020 = Covid-19 pandemic = CCP China, the Factory of the World, restricted exports to the rest of the world = supply chain disruption and high inflation = factories in CCP China began to diversify out of CCP China, eg to Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, etc. Eg Apple Inc moved some iPhone, iPad and Mac production from China to Vietnam and India.

= USA raise interest rates from 2% to 5% in about 1 year's time, to fight high inflation caused by Covid-19,. CCP China and many other countries followed suit. High interest rate is bad for the economy by suppressing demand.

- 2023 = CCP China updated it's anti-espionage law, scaring many foreign companies to withdraw from China, eg CCP China arbitrarily jailing foreign employees from Japan, Taiwan, USA, Canada, etc.

- 2025 = Trump's 2nd US-China Trade War = US Tariffs again reduced many imports from CCP China.
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dattebayo datang lagi as /k's local Gordon Chang!

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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Jun 11 2025, 05:43 PM)
Apa yang inflate sudah pasti akan deflate. Sama ada controlled or sudden
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Tak pernah I tengok Malaysia deflate.

I pun nak rasa deflation kat Malaysia untuk berapa bulan jugak
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Deflation is just different way of suffering like Inflation saje
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dattebayo datang lagi as /k's local Gordon Chang!
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Ya ya SCMP owned by Gordon Chang!

CPI figure given by National Bureau of Statistics also actually provided by Gordon Chang!
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Ya ya SCMP owned by Gordon Chang!

CPI figure given by National Bureau of Statistics also actually provided by Gordon Chang!
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yaya, and china will cease to exist by end of this century also


amidoinitrite?
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 11 2025, 02:31 PM)
Deflation isn't  good thing?
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Keyword is china. China = bad for amdk
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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Jun 11 2025, 07:01 PM)
That's what everyone is buying now. I don't own any Nvidia.
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Tak pernah I tengok Malaysia deflate.

I pun nak rasa deflation kat Malaysia untuk berapa bulan jugak
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just look at the proooperteh price . icon_idea.gif

T20 price.

your Watson store.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 11 2025, 06:07 PM)
yaya, and china will cease to exist by end of this century also
amidoinitrite?
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Of course not. Xidada said people love it when things are cheaper ma.
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yaya, and china will cease to exist by end of this century also
amidoinitrite?
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takes that long meh? if already collapsing or collapsed, why need till end of this century?


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deflation is definitely worst than inflation.

it is harder to tackle deflation from a government perceptive, that is why after 30 years japan still not able to tackle this problem even when they literally impose all the tactics they can think off, still not able to solve this.


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QUOTE(brian81st @ Jun 11 2025, 08:03 PM)
deflation is definitely worst than inflation.

it is harder to tackle deflation from a government perceptive, that is why after 30 years japan still not able to tackle this problem even when they literally impose all the tactics they can think off, still not able to solve this.
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deflation ? y no good ?
we can buy cheap thing not?
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The economic cycle within capitalism generally comprises four phases: expansion, peak, contraction, and recovery. The duration of economic cycles varies, making the phases difficult to time.

https://www.britannica.com/money/stages-of-economic-cycle


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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:38 PM)
The economic cycle within capitalism generally comprises four phases: expansion, peak, contraction, and recovery. The duration of economic cycles varies, making the phases difficult to time.

https://www.britannica.com/money/stages-of-economic-cycle
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Even though China is experiencing contraction, but their quality of life is still good. Their cities are still clean, cheap goods/services still got customer one. Meanwhile western countries, bla bla everything good. But deep down, drug addicts everywhere. Not to mention homeless and dirty streets.
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Straight from the horse's mouth in CCP China, .......

http://www.china-cer.com.cn/guwen/20250410...%9C%BA%E3%80%82 - Google Translated: ... Analysis of the main factors affecting China's economy in 2025
2025-04-10

The 2024 Central Economic Work Conference pointed out that "the adverse effects of the current changes in the external environment are deepening, and China's economic operation still faces many difficulties and challenges." The continuous emergence of difficulties and challenges is closely related to the phased characteristics of China's current economic situation and the international political and economic environment.

In 2025, China's macro-economy will be affected by many factors. Domestically, the continuous decline in the total population of the country has led to an accelerated decline in the labor force and an increasingly aging population; second, the pillar industries are changing at a relatively fast pace, the real estate industry continues to be sluggish, but the new energy industry is developing rapidly. Internationally, geopolitical risks are becoming increasingly prominent, including Sino-US relations, the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the situation in the Middle East, etc., and risk disturbances continue; second, the weakening world economy is dragging down my country's external markets. ...

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 11 2025, 04:00 PM)
a lot of china citizens saddled on huge property loans and still paying higher instalment and high interest on it

Now with China 10 years bond yield at 1.7%, the FD interest also reduce, government intend to let those their property loan to be refinance/restructure with a lower interest rate. If they manage to do this then there will be more spending power and stimulate their domestic economy.
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how to take loan when unemployment rate is sky high laugh.gif

banks aren't stupid, they too need to assess their risks
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Lol. Been hearing shit about China since 2000s. I still waiting for the collapse

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trump's tariffs hurts the US corps more.

list of the US corps announced major layoffs for the last few months.

https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-do...d-mass-layoffs/

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/21/tech-layoffs-2025-list/

expect to see high unemployment and high inflation in the US in future unless dumb trump abolishes the tariffs.

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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Jun 12 2025, 04:01 AM)
trump's tariffs hurts the US corps more.

list  of the US corps announced major layoffs for the last few months.

https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-do...d-mass-layoffs/

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/21/tech-layoffs-2025-list/

expect to see high unemployment and high inflation in the US in future  unless dumb trump abolishes the tariffs.
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No lah. ... US unemployment rate since 2020, fyi, .......

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