Penyanyi sensasi Baby Shima sekali lagi mencuri perhatian apabila melontarkan persoalan berbaur identiti yang segera mengundang reaksi pelbagai dalam kalangan netizen. Menerusi satu hantaran di platform Threads, Shima atau nama sebenarnya Nor Ashima Ramli, 32, mempersoalkan sama ada keturunan Jawa boleh diklasifikasikan sebagai bangsa Melayu.

Meskipun soalan itu kelihatan ringan atau mungkin hanya gurauan, namun tajuk yang disentuhnya cukup sensitif dan cepat membangkitkan semula perdebatan lama yang belum reda, khususnya selepas kenyataan kontroversi Ameera Khan yang mendakwa dirinya bukan Melayu kerana memiliki darah Arab dan Pakistan.

Pertanyaan Shima berbunyi, “Darah Arab dan Pakistan memang bukan orang Melayu. Tapi kalau Jawa, kira Melayu juga ke?” Sejurus selepas itu, netizen mula mengaitkan kembali kenyataan tersebut dengan kontroversi Ameera Khan, adik kepada Neelofa, yang sebelum ini menimbulkan ketegangan apabila menyatakan secara terbuka bahawa dia tidak menganggap dirinya sebagai berbangsa Melayu, meskipun lahir dan dibesarkan di Malaysia.

Perbincangan dalam kalangan pengguna media sosial mula kembali hangat, dengan ramai yang tampil memberikan pandangan masing-masing. Ada yang menegaskan bahawa konsep bangsa Melayu di Malaysia tidak boleh dipisahkan daripada asas budaya, agama dan bahasa. “Definisi Melayu, satu, berbahasa Melayu. Dua, beragama Islam. Tiga, mengamalkan adat istiadat Melayu. Tak kira apa pun sub-etnik, itu sudah dikira Melayu,” jelas seorang netizen yang merujuk kepada definisi Perlembagaan Malaysia berkaitan orang Melayu.

Seorang lagi pengguna pula menekankan bahawa negara ini adalah tanah tumpah darah pelbagai kaum dan etnik, termasuk sub-etnik dalam kelompok Melayu itu sendiri seperti Jawa, Bugis, Banjar dan Minangkabau. Menurutnya, “Putih, hitam, biru, merah ke, kita tetap orang Malaysia. Jawa, Bugis, Banjar, Punjabi ke, kalau lahir di Malaysia tetap warganegara. Tak payah bak berlagak sangat macam Ameera Khan.”

Turut menarik perhatian ialah perbandingan yang dibuat oleh seorang netizen mengenai konsep bangsa Melayu di Malaysia dan Indonesia, “Dia konsep Melayu Malaysia ini senang saja nak faham. Melayu itu bangsa bersuku-suku dengan pelbagai loghat, disatukan bawah Islam. Konsep Melayu di Indonesia berbeza. Macam bangsa Cina di China juga, pelbagai loghat tapi disatukan bawah satu republik.”

Sementara itu, walaupun kenyataan asal Ameera menerima kecaman hebat, dia kemudiannya menjelaskan bahawa dia lebih selesa mengaku sebagai Melayu supaya tidak perlu menerangkan asal-usul keturunannya secara panjang lebar. Namun, tindakan awal yang menafikan identiti Melayu telah pun mengundang pelbagai persepsi, terutama dalam masyarakat yang cukup peka terhadap isu bangsa dan akar budaya.

Tindakan Baby Shima pula, walaupun mungkin sekadar celahan berunsur sinis, nyata menjadi pencetus semula kepada perdebatan identiti yang tampaknya masih jauh daripada selesai. Dalam dunia yang semakin terbuka dan celik identiti, satu soalan kecil pun mampu menjadi percikan api yang membakar kembali bara perbincangan lama.

https://murai.my/2025/248778/baby-shima-per...su-ameera-khan/

Got her peha pic?

Want see putih or not

i got confused the name with baby rina

Wah, baby Rina is lagenda 😜

Baby Shima >>>>> ameera

8.5/10

Both look nice

Dunno which is which

Also, so free question this that

Come uncle give children then no time think useless things

First 2 pics is Baby Shima and the last 2 pics is Ameera

Austronesian people share haplogroup O1a1 (M119) and linguistic markers....but they have diverse culture and of different ethnicities.

Malay is just an Austronesian ethnicity
Jawa is also an Austronesian ethnicity

So, Jawa is not Malay

What about Bugis? If I am not mistaken, the originated from Sulawesi

Indonesia has hundreds of Austronesian ethnicities.....Sunda, Bali, Bugis, Minang, Minahasa, Sasak, Batak, etc....of course also Malay, especially in Riau, Riau Islands and West Kalimantan

Top Notch.
Ameera Khan says she is arab pakistani, not melayu.

Austronesian come from china what

meaning they all chinese

From Taiwan

china lah

until today i still don't understand the obsession of west malaysian with malay status....it doesn't work like that outside of west malaysia

same as ameera khan...nama dah "khan" bapa pakistan but forced her to admit she is malay

When talking about genetics, then need to specify time-frame. My time-frame is starting from the "Out of Formosa" hypothesis, since aboriginal Taiwanese have haplogroup O1a1 (M119) as well, it is likely they are the originator of that haplogroup.

Common ancestors of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and Austronesians have the Haplogroup O....at that time, these ancestors are not Chinese or any ethnicity we recognize today.

Without specific time-frame, we can say....we are all Africans.

The concept of Bangsa (People) has been intermixed with Kaum (race) in casual speech that it muddles our understanding of what it actually is.

In Malaysia, Bangsa denotes the collective people who are citizens of Malaysia. Therefore, Bangsa Malaysia refers to all of us Malaysians. This was made officially in 1990 by Mahathir, to securely place everyone under one collective term. It's a Civic Nation concept.

Under Bangsa Malaysia, we have race or ethnic groups, in BM called KAUM. Hence we have kaum Melayu, Cina, India, Kadazan etc.

So where do Bangsa Melayu come from? Well, this goes waaaaay decades before the formation of Malaysia. We used to have Tanah Melayu or Malaya, hence the people of Tanah Melayu (who are predominantly Malays) are called Bangsa Melayu. This is an Ethno-Cultural Nation concept.

Having said that, there are many terms in our constitution that was not updated or streamlined, which made it even more confusing.

Does a country called Tanah Melayu exists before?

As far as our history, most of the states in Peninsula Malaysia is independent after the fall of Kesultanan Melaka

So, who is actually the real Malays?

Are Javanese, Bugis, etc. also Malays?

dah lama tak merasa type D. boring la tu

Daily reminder that what qualified as Malay has 0 to do with DNA.

As long as you have the right skin colour, speak Melayu, Muslim and live like a Melayu then you qualify as Malay.

Because she is using the bumi quota benefits owai

So cina also got malay DNA?

kek

dia sebut jawa jek? bugis, banjar apa cer?

Genetic marker of Austronesians, from Malaysia to Hawaii....they share haplogroup O1a1 (M119), this is the "Austronesian DNA"

Chinese have different sets or variants of haplogroup O. So, Chinese are not Austronesians or Malay.

Except that Melayu is not the dominant race of Tanah Melayu.

Even after independence Melayu is only like 40% of the population if I remembered correctly.

if she is east malaysian...she can be

if you're east malaysian....u can be chinese and bumi(u don't have to be malay)

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Jun 11 2025, 10:17 AM

ameera is nobody
only famous because of her sister
she's a typical street hoe

that's right

according to the constitution, your dna doesn't matter. it only matters if you 'habitually practise Malay customs'. that's what the constitution says. not i say

Malaya time was slightly above 50%

When Malaysia is formed, the % dropped to 40% but Bumiputera still more than 50%

The imbalance happens after Singapore was kicked out and the % of Malays went up to more than 50% and Bumiputera more than 60%

Over the next few decades, you know what happened lah

mitochondrial DNA says oherwise.

- Beijing DNA Pool

That mole on the face reminds me of CSC’s meme, but in a sexy way! 😍

You can be identified as type M in Malaysia even if you are from kerala or tamil nadu, but you must practice islam and malay culture or pretend to at least

i do believe no race truly stay

it may take decades or even centuries but true race just never survive

I think that's for population in certain cities like KL, penang and melaka. But not for the entire peninsular.

Janji pink la

Menurutnya, “Putih, hitam, biru, merah ke, kita tetap orang Malaysia. Jawa, Bugis, Banjar, Punjabi ke, kalau lahir di Malaysia tetap warganegara. Tak payah bak berlagak sangat macam Ameera Khan.”

ameera never said she is not warganegara, she just said she is not malay, berlagak apanya?

if a cinabeng said he is not malay, memanglah kau tak hairan, if pakistani descendant said she is not malay kenapa kau trigger? did he even understands warganegara is not equal to being a malay?

Don't know don't care

But baby shima hnnngghhhh

People are triggered becos if you claim to be Malay, then you get certain benefits.

But Ridhuan Tee still cannot get those benefits.

Meanwhile, people from Mamak or Pakistan background can claim those benefits. While the real pribumi Malaysia, the Orang Asli is not respected, and coerced to become Muslim in many cases, and still not fully respected after they convert.

So the problem is this country confuses people by its own racial definitions. Indonesia has less such problems, they have so many tribes there but all under "Indonesian" and they respect their pribumi rights. Here buat suka hati je as long as kaya.

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Jun 11 2025, 02:01 PM

those who "pertikai" confirm only know malay, india, cina.

to them, if not malay, must be india or cina, no other race, same people that think all orang asli are backward living only in kampung and miskin and bodoh

The pertikai here is about who is Malays lah

Are Javanese Malays?

tak tau, are they? not really into that particular study/research, if people introduce themselves as javanese, i call them javanese or org jawa, if people say they pakistan, i call them pakistan, so on and so forth

Correct.

This post has been edited by Justin.Loong: Jun 11 2025, 03:24 PM

If become lain² we open a new door for her

Baby shima