Gempar: Russia considers CCP as potential hostile
Gempar: Russia considers CCP as potential hostile
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Jun 11 2025, 12:14 AM, updated 7 months ago
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Jun 11 2025, 12:15 AM
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Wumaos will plotek and call this CIA fake news to destabilize Russia-China solid frenship. nobrainer86 and max_cavalera liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 12:17 AM
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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/06/m...ey-shows-a89370 Most Russians no longer consider the United States their country’s main enemy, according to a Levada Center survey released Thursday, as Donald Trump’s return to the White House fuels hopes of a diplomatic thaw between Moscow and Washington. The share of respondents who named the U.S. as the most hostile country toward Russia has nearly halved to 40% this year, down from 76% in 2024. The U.S. dropped from first to fourth on the ranking for the first time in 13 years. Germany (55%), the United Kingdom (49%) and Ukraine (43%) now rank as the top three most hostile countries in the eyes of Russian respondents. On the opposite end of the latest Levada Center survey, respondents named Belarus (80%), China (64%), Kazakhstan (36%), India (32%) and North Korea (30%) as Russia’s “closest friends and allies.” nobrainer86 liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 12:18 AM
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White sausage yumyum
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Jun 11 2025, 12:18 AM
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Not new nor surprising.
They’re both just convenient allies. |
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Jun 11 2025, 12:20 AM
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Hidup Russia! ![]() JohnL77 liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 12:50 AM
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Ewww! liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 01:24 AM
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TS stop posting from unhinged channel please this is the channel that unironically believe Russia fight with shovels SiakapRM1000 liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 01:39 AM
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This is why each and every countries with nukes should keep increasing their stockpiles, so that their relation remain stable.
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Jun 11 2025, 03:37 AM
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Don't worry CCP has no balls to claim back their lands in Russia Ewww! liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 03:54 AM
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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ Jun 11 2025, 12:17 AM) read the bottom of the article .A Message from The Moscow Times: Dear readers, We are facing unprecedented challenges. Russia's Prosecutor General's Office has designated The Moscow Times as an "undesirable" organization, criminalizing our work and putting our staff at risk of prosecution. This follows our earlier unjust labeling as a "foreign agent." PUTIN obviously does not like the fake news website as the website sides with EU or the US to spread propaganda against PUTIN or russia. I doubt The Moscow Times did any real survey or just plug in any figures it liked when the russia military was still at war in ukraine . the war had been planned for decades by the US until the US found the idiot named Zelenskyy is a good pawn and executed the plan. This post has been edited by issac99289928: Jun 11 2025, 04:24 AM pornoman2128 liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Jun 11 2025, 03:54 AM) read the bottom of the article . You are correct. A Message from The Moscow Times: Dear readers, We are facing unprecedented challenges. Russia's Prosecutor General's Office has designated The Moscow Times as an "undesirable" organization, criminalizing our work and putting our staff at risk of prosecution. This follows our earlier unjust labeling as a "foreign agent." PUTIN obviously does not like the fake news website as the website sides with EU or the US to spread propaganda against PUTIN or russia. I doubt The Moscow Times did any real survey or just plug in any figures it liked when the russia military was still at war in ukraine . the war had been planned for decades by the US until the US found the idiot named Zelenskyy is a good pawn and executed the plan. Registered in and owned by the Netherlands. |
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Jun 11 2025, 06:39 AM
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Lol. Base on YouTube.
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Jun 11 2025, 06:48 AM
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Jun 11 2025, 06:48 AM
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logical. large army. just next door.
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Jun 11 2025, 07:19 AM
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Where the people who posted propaganda news earlier that China is about to invade vladivostok? Really brainless lol
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Jun 11 2025, 07:23 AM
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Do u think US do not think their allies could also be a threat to them. Most countries need to consider this situation as well. This is a normal situation as relying on foreign countries is not a good things.
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Jun 11 2025, 07:24 AM
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Nah, little pinks will suck er dad cock anytime lol
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Jun 11 2025, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Jun 11 2025, 03:54 AM) read the bottom of the article . The research is done by Levada center, Moscow time just published the result of the research.A Message from The Moscow Times: Dear readers, We are facing unprecedented challenges. Russia's Prosecutor General's Office has designated The Moscow Times as an "undesirable" organization, criminalizing our work and putting our staff at risk of prosecution. This follows our earlier unjust labeling as a "foreign agent." PUTIN obviously does not like the fake news website as the website sides with EU or the US to spread propaganda against PUTIN or russia. I doubt The Moscow Times did any real survey or just plug in any figures it liked when the russia military was still at war in ukraine . the war had been planned for decades by the US until the US found the idiot named Zelenskyy is a good pawn and executed the plan. NHK, Newsweek, etc also quoted this research dattebayo liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 08:10 AM
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Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM
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Power dynamics aside, whoever believe China and Russia will have conflict within the next 2 decades is sohai.
Western Europe is Russia's main adversary after Trump elected. China is Russia's main trade partner in the region. Until there is peace in the West, there is no possibility of war in the East This post has been edited by Chowda: Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM |
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Jun 11 2025, 11:20 AM
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Jun 11 2025, 11:33 AM
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russia should lease some of the coastal lands to China for like 199 or 999 years... and ask china to setup naval bases and ports there... all the way to Chukchi Sea.
now that would make life even more interesting for every other country. |
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Jun 11 2025, 11:36 AM
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based on FSB docs leak to NYT
its divide and conquer la |
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Jun 11 2025, 11:40 AM
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PUTIN hates the US to the core due to the war. as long as PUTIN is still in power , the US is the enemy of russia.
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Jun 11 2025, 11:43 AM
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impossibru.. puting & winniepooh are BFF
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Jun 11 2025, 12:03 PM
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Lol at least use la BBC and CNN. Yini bharat channel oso mau believe la?
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Jun 11 2025, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM) Power dynamics aside, whoever believe China and Russia will have conflict within the next 2 decades is sohai. Must thank NATO for tanking Russian aggression for so long. Helps to facilitate a peaceful Asia.Western Europe is Russia's main adversary after Trump elected. China is Russia's main trade partner in the region. Until there is peace in the West, there is no possibility of war in the East |
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Jun 11 2025, 02:11 PM
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Jun 11 2025, 02:17 PM
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giler punya NATO, put army infront of Rusky door
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Jun 11 2025, 02:30 PM
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Russia + China unification soon?
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Jun 11 2025, 02:39 PM
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who does not?
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Jun 12 2025, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(Viper236 @ Jun 11 2025, 12:03 PM) the source was first featured in NY Times la you dum dumhttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/world/eu...hat-spying.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/world/eu...-putin-war.html QUOTE In public, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia says his country’s growing friendship with China is unshakable — a strategic military and economic collaboration that has entered a golden era. But in the corridors of Lubyanka, the headquarters of Russia’s domestic security agency, known as the F.S.B., a secretive intelligence unit refers to the Chinese as “the enemy.” This unit, which has not previously been disclosed, has warned that China is a serious threat to Russian security. Its officers say that Beijing is increasingly trying to recruit Russian spies and get its hands on sensitive military technology, at times by luring disaffected Russian scientists. The intelligence officers say that China is spying on the Russian military’s operations in Ukraine to learn about Western weapons and warfare. They fear that Chinese academics are laying the groundwork to make claims on Russian territory. And they have warned that Chinese intelligence agents are carrying out espionage in the Arctic using mining firms and university research centers as cover. The threats are laid out in an eight-page internal F.S.B. planning document, obtained by The New York Times, that sets priorities for fending off Chinese espionage. The document is undated, raising the possibility that it is a draft, though it appears from context to have been written in late 2023 or early 2024. The Origin of the Secret File How We Obtained and Vetted a Russian Intelligence Document Ares Leaks, a cybercrime group, obtained the document but did not say how it did so. That makes definitive authentication impossible, but The Times shared the report with six Western intelligence agencies, all of which assessed it to be authentic. The document gives the most detailed behind-the-scenes view to date of Russian counterintelligence’s thinking about China. Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, Moscow’s new bond with Beijing has shifted the global balance of power. The rapidly expanding partnership is one of the most consequential, and opaque, relationships in modern geopolitics. Image Armed officers stand outside a large Russian building with a yellow brick facade. Police officers in Lubyanka Square, outside the headquarters of the F.S.B., in September in Moscow.Credit...Maxim Shipenkov/EPA, via Shutterstock Russia has survived years of Western financial sanctions following the invasion, proving wrong the many politicians and experts who predicted the collapse of the country’s economy. That survival is in no small part due to China. China is the largest customer for Russian oil and provides essential computer chips, software and military components. When Western companies fled Russia, Chinese brands stepped in to replace them. The two countries say they want to collaborate in a vast number of areas, including making movies and building a base on the moon. Mr. Putin and Xi Jinping, China’s leader, are doggedly pursuing what they call a partnership with “no limits.” But the top-secret F.S.B. memo shows there are, in fact, limits. “You have the political leadership, and these guys are all for rapprochement with China,” said Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russia’s intelligence services who lives in exile in Britain and who reviewed the document at the request of The Times. “You have the intelligence and security services, and they are very suspicious.” Mr. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, declined to comment. The Chinese Foreign Ministry did not respond to requests for comment on the document. Want to stay updated on what’s happening in China, Russia and Ukraine? Sign up for Your Places: Global Update, and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox. The Russian document describes a “tense and dynamically developing” intelligence battle in the shadows between the two outwardly friendly nations. Three days before Mr. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022, the F.S.B. approved a new counterintelligence program called “Entente-4,” the document reveals. The code name, an apparent tongue-in-cheek reference to Moscow’s growing friendship with Beijing, belied the initiative’s real intent: to prevent Chinese spies from undermining Russian interests. The timing almost certainly was not accidental. Russia was diverting nearly all of its military and spy resources to Ukraine, more than 4,000 miles from its border with China, and most likely worried that Beijing could try to capitalize on this distraction. Image Soldiers wearing green uniforms with Russian flag patches on their shoulders. Russian conscripts, called up for military service, last year in Bataysk, Russia, as they prepared to depart for their garrisons.Credit...Sergey Pivovarov/Reuters Since then, according to the document, the F.S.B. observed China doing just that. Chinese intelligence agents stepped up efforts to recruit Russian officials, experts, journalists and businesspeople close to power in Moscow, the document says. To counter this, the F.S.B. instructed its officers to intercept the “threat” and “prevent the transfer of important strategic information to the Chinese.” Officers were ordered to conduct in-person meetings with Russian citizens who work closely with China and warn them that Beijing was trying to take advantage of Russia and obtain advanced scientific research, according to the document. The F.S.B. ordered “the constant accumulation of information about users” on the Chinese messaging app WeChat. That included hacking phones of espionage targets and analyzing the data in a special software tool held by a unit of the F.S.B., the document says. The possible long-term alignment of two authoritarian governments, with a combined population of nearly 1.6 billion people and armed with some 6,000 nuclear warheads, has stoked deep concern in Washington. Some members of the Trump administration believe that, through outreach to Mr. Putin, Washington can begin to peel Russia away from China and avoid what Secretary of State Marco Rubio has called “two nuclear powers aligned against the United States.” “I’m going to have to un-unite them, and I think I can do that, too,” Donald J. Trump said shortly before his election in November. “I have to un-unite them.” Read one way, the F.S.B. document lends credence to the theory that, with the right approach, Russia can be cleaved away from China. The document describes mistrust and suspicion on both sides of the relationship. China is conducting polygraphs on its agents as soon as they return home, tightening scrutiny of the 20,000 Russian students in China and trying to recruit Russians with Chinese spouses as potential spies, the document says. But another reading of the document leads to the opposite conclusion. The fact that Mr. Putin is apparently well aware of the risks of a closer relationship with China and has decided to push ahead anyway could suggest little opportunity for the United States to get Russia to change course. “Putin believes that he can go much deeper into this Chinese embrace, and it’s not risk free, but it is worth it,” said Alexander Gabuev, the director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, who reviewed the document at the request of The Times. “But we also see there are people within the system who are skeptical of that approach.” Mr. Putin has courted Mr. Xi for years, in more than 40 personal meetings, and has cemented a far deeper partnership with China since invading Ukraine. The two countries have a natural economic synergy, with Russia being one of the world’s largest energy producers and China the world’s largest energy consumer. Image An aerial photo of an oil tanker being pushed by two tugboats. A crude oil tanker at the port in Qingdao, China, in April. The country has become the largest customer for Russian oil.Credit...Agence France-Presse — Getty Images That poses a delicate challenge for Russian counterintelligence agents. The document shows them trying to contain the risks posed by Chinese intelligence without causing “negative consequences for bilateral relations.” Officers were warned to avoid any public “mention of the Chinese intelligence services as a potential enemy.” Most likely written for circulation to F.S.B. field offices, the directive offers a rare glimpse into the inner world of one of the most powerful parts of the Russian intelligence establishment: the F.S.B.’s Department for Counterintelligence Operations, known as the D.K.R.O. The document was written by the D.K.R.O.’s 7th Service, which is responsible for countering espionage from China and other parts of Asia. Anxiety about Russia’s susceptibility to an increasingly powerful Beijing dominates the memo. But it is unclear how common those worries are across the Russian establishment, beyond the counterintelligence unit. Even allied nations regularly spy on one another. “To go back to the old adage, there is no such thing as friendly intel services,” said Paul Kolbe, a senior fellow at Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, who served for 25 years in the C.I.A. Directorate of Operations, including in Russia. “You don’t have to scratch very deep in any Russian military or intel official to get deep suspicion of China. In the long run, China is, in spite of the unlimited partnership and how useful they are, also a potential threat.” China targets Russia’s war secrets and scientists Soon after Russian troops pushed across the border into Ukraine, officials from Chinese defense firms and institutes tied to Chinese intelligence began flooding into Russia. Their goal, according to the F.S.B. document, was to better understand the war. China has world-class scientists, but its military has not fought a war since a monthlong conflict with Vietnam in 1979. The result is anxiety in China about how its military would perform against Western weapons in a conflict over Taiwan or the South China Sea. Chinese intelligence officials are eager to understand Russia’s fight against an army backed by the West. “Of particular interest to Beijing is information about combat methods using drones, modernization of their software and methods for countering new types of Western weapons,” the F.S.B. document says, adding that Beijing believes the war in Ukraine will become drawn-out. The conflict has revolutionized warfare technology and tactics. China has long lagged behind Russia in its aviation expertise, and the document says that Beijing has made that a priority target. China is targeting military pilots and researchers in aerohydrodynamics, control systems and aeroelasticity. Also being sought out, according to the document, are Russian specialists who worked on the discontinued ekranoplan, a hovercraft-type warship first deployed by the Soviet Union. “Priority recruitment is given to former employees of aircraft factories and research institutes, as well as current employees who are dissatisfied with the closure of the ekranoplan development program by the Russian Ministry of Defense or who are experiencing financial difficulties,” the report says. Image A fighter jet is shown on an outdoor television that lights up the night sky. News footage of a People’s Liberation Army aircraft taking part in a combat readiness patrol around Taiwan, seen on a screen in 2023 at a shopping mall in Beijing.Credit...Tingshu Wang/Reuters It is not clear from the document whether those recruitment efforts are limited to hiring Russian specialists for Chinese ventures or also extend to recruiting them as spies. The document also shows that Russia is very concerned about how China views the war in Ukraine and is trying to feed Beijing’s spies with positive information about Russian operations. And it commands Russian counterintelligence operatives to prepare a report for the Kremlin about any possible changes in Beijing’s policy. Western leaders have accused China of providing Russia with essential weapons components and working to conceal it. The F.S.B. document lends support to that claim, stating that Beijing had proposed establishing supply chains to Moscow that circumvent Western sanctions and had offered to participate in the production of drones and other unspecified high-tech military equipment. The document does not say whether those proposals were carried out, though China has supplied Russia with drones. The F.S.B. memo also hints at Chinese interest in the Wagner mercenary group, a Russia-backed paramilitary group that propped up governments in Africa for years and fought alongside Russian troops in Ukraine. “The Chinese plan to use the experience of Wagner fighters in their own armed forces and private military companies operating in the countries of Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America,” the directive says. The wording of the report does not indicate whether the F.S.B. believes that China wants to recruit former Wagner fighters for its own formations or simply wants to learn from their experience. Moscow worries Beijing is trying to encroach on its territory Russia has long feared encroachment by China along their shared 2,615-mile border. And Chinese nationalists for years have taken issue with 19th-century treaties in which Russia annexed large portions of land, including modern-day Vladivostok. That issue is now of key concern, with Russia weakened by the war and economic sanctions and less able than ever to push back against Beijing. The F.S.B. report raises concerns that some academics in China have been promoting territorial claims against Russia. Image Dozens of soldiers in a military parade carry a large orange-and-black St. George ribbon. Russian sailors participating in a Victory Day parade last month in Vladivostok, Russia, part of an area annexed by Russia from China in the 1800s.Credit...Tatiana Meel/Reuters China is searching for traces of “ancient Chinese peoples” in the Russian Far East, possibly to influence local opinion that is favorable to Chinese claims, the document says. In 2023, China published an official map that included historical Chinese names for cities and areas within Russia. The F.S.B. ordered officers to expose such “revanchist” activities, as well as attempts by China to use Russian scientists and archival funds for research aimed at attaching a historical affiliation to borderlands. “Conduct preventative work with respect to Russian citizens involved in the said activities,” the memo orders. “Restrict entry into our country for foreigners as a measure of influence.” China is unnerving Russia in Central Asia and the Arctic The concerns about China expanding its reach are not limited to Russia’s Far East borderlands. Central Asian countries answered to Moscow during the Soviet era. Today, the F.S.B. reports, Beijing has developed a “new strategy” to promote Chinese soft power in the region. China began rolling out that strategy in Uzbekistan, according to the document. The details of the strategy are not included in the document other than to say it involves humanitarian exchange. Uzbekistan and neighboring countries are important to Mr. Putin, who sees restoring the Soviet sphere of influence as part of his legacy. The report also highlights China’s interest in Russia’s vast territory in the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route, which hugs Russia’s northern coast. Historically, those waters have been too icy for reliable shipping, but they are expected become increasingly busy because of climate change. Image A snowy scene of a Russian ship with a blue hull in icy waters. A nuclear icebreaker maneuvering through the Galerny fairway of Kanonersky Island in St. Petersburg, Russia, on its way to the Gulf of Finland for a test run this year. The ship was designed to support shipping in the Arctic and advance the development of the Northern Sea Route.Credit...Artem Priakhin/SOPA Images, via Getty Images The route slashes shipping time between Asia and Europe. Developing that route would make it easier for China to sell its goods. Russia historically tried to maintain strict control over Chinese activity in the Arctic. But Beijing believes that Western sanctions will force Russia to turn to China to maintain its “aging Arctic infrastructure,” according to the F.S.B. document. Already, the Russian gas giant Novatek has relied on China to salvage its Arctic liquefied natural gas project, after previously using the American oil services firm Baker Hughes. The F.S.B. asserts that Chinese spies are active in the Arctic, as well. The report says Chinese intelligence is trying to obtain information about Russia’s development of the Arctic, using institutions of higher education and mining companies in particular. But despite all of these vulnerabilities, the F.S.B. report makes clear that jeopardizing the support of China would be worse. The document squarely warns officers that they must receive approval from the highest echelons of the Russian security establishment before taking any sensitive action at all. Aaron Krolik, Julian E. Barnes and Michael Schwirtz contributed reporting. Paul Sonne is an international correspondent, focusing on Russia and the varied impacts of President Vladimir V. Putin’s domestic and foreign policies, with a focus on the war against Ukraine. Anton Troianovski is the Moscow bureau chief for The Times. He writes about Russia, Eastern Europe, the Caucasus and Central Asia. A version of this article appears in print on June 10, 2025, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: Russia Is Wary Of Xi’s China, Spy File Shows. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe See more on: Russia-Ukraine War, Federal Security Service, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping Read 290 Comments Share full article reporter headshot290 Create an account to unlock your 7-day free trial. |
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