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post Jun 10 2025, 11:02 PM, updated 7 months ago

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JOHOR BARU: The Johor Regent and the Singapore government have agreed to a land swap deal in the island republic.

Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim, who is also Johor crown prince, owns the 21.1ha plot of land at Holland Road, according to a media release on Singapore's Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) website.

The land, comprising Plot B and Plot C, has been under the private ownership of the Johor royal family for generations.

"The Regent plans to develop his land. The Singapore government and the Regent have agreed to undertake a land swap so his planned developments will be further away from the Singapore Botanical Gardens Unesco World Heritage Site.

"The Regent will transfer Plot C, which is closer to the Singapore Botanic Gardens Unesco World Heritage Site, to the Singapore government," the statement read on Tuesday (June 10).

In exchange, the Singapore government will transfer 8.5ha of state land (Plot A, shaded purple in the figure), to the Regent, the statement said, adding that the land parcels to be swapped are comparable in value.

Plot B will remain under Tunku Ismail's private ownership, according to the press release.

It also mentioned that the Regent might develop his land after the swap, which is suitable for low-rise and low-density residential use.

"Any development plans will be subject to due process. URA and agencies will assess any development applications and ensure that the proposed development is sensitive to the surrounding site context.

"Prior to commencement of any works, the development will be subject to environmental studies to mitigate any potential impact on the environment," the press release said.

The Singapore government also pointed out that it would keep Plot C "undeveloped for now, while keeping open our future plans for the area".

Meanwhile, sources say that after the land swap, the Regent's land will be worth between RM15bil and RM30bil.

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Actually land owners need to pay huge tax there. I wonder where they get money from
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QUOTE(perfectedservice @ Jun 10 2025, 11:02 PM)
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Plot A seems smaller than Plot C in picture. How much got payout by Singapore Government to our Johor Royals?

But still mad respects only the Royal Johor Family can say "Tanah ini really milik saya/nenek moyang saya punya" with full respect and dignity, and Singapore Government Forced to Comply laugh.gif

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 10 2025, 11:44 PM)
Actually land owners need to pay huge tax there. I wonder where they get money from
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What I heard they rent out their land in Singapore. Not these plots of course.

I remember these plots near Holland was disputed for so long. Now seems Sg government have acknowledge the claim?

You can google Istana Tyrell.
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I have a friend that have a bungalow there.
damn, his house can buy some small taman here already
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QUOTE(jamalnsx @ Jun 10 2025, 11:57 PM)
What I heard they rent out their land in Singapore. Not these plots of course.

I remember these plots near Holland was disputed for so long. Now seems Sg government have acknowledge the claim?

You can google Istana Tyrell.
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That istana is in that plot C
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 10 2025, 11:52 PM)
Plot A seems smaller than Plot C in picture. How much got payout by Singapore Government to our Johor Royals?

But still mad respects only the Royal Johor Family can say "Tanah ini really milik saya/nenek moyang saya punya" with full respect and dignity, and Singapore Government Forced to Comply  laugh.gif
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Why need to payout?

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In exchange, the Singapore government will transfer 8.5ha of state land (Plot A, shaded purple in the figure), to the Regent, the statement said, adding that the land parcels to be swapped are comparable in value.

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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 10 2025, 11:44 PM)
Actually land owners need to pay huge tax there. I wonder where they get money from
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Its a win-win. plot next to botanic gardens definitely will not allow for big redevelopment.

If re-develop, the land price will increase multiples. Property sales in sinkieland generate $$$. This one everyone knows.

Reason why the swap is equivalent value is because swapping empty land for already build up residential. Then only need to redevelop smaller plot fo empty land.

I think smart move.
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Will the development go holand or not?

Shit why suddenly got so many moew surround me....

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QUOTE(Boom Mortar @ Jun 10 2025, 11:15 PM)
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QUOTE(Freshmeat21 @ Jun 11 2025, 12:11 AM)
I have a friend that have a bungalow there.
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Swapping big land with small land because big development is not allowed in big land near to botanic garden?

Macan kena game by SG je

Rugi betul

QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:21 AM)
Its a win-win. plot next to botanic gardens definitely will not allow for big redevelopment.

If re-develop, the land price will increase multiples. Property sales in sinkieland generate $$$. This one everyone knows.

Reason why the swap is equivalent value is because swapping empty land for already build up residential. Then only need to redevelop smaller plot fo empty land.

I think smart move.
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QUOTE(jamalnsx @ Jun 10 2025, 11:57 PM)
What I heard they rent out their land in Singapore. Not these plots of course.

I remember these plots near Holland was disputed for so long. Now seems Sg government have acknowledge the claim?

You can google Istana Tyrell.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jun 11 2025, 09:32 AM)
Now that SG govt has taken over the land. It should restore the istana, maybe make it a museum.
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 10 2025, 11:52 PM)
Plot A seems smaller than Plot C in picture. How much got payout by Singapore Government to our Johor Royals?

But still mad respects only the Royal Johor Family can say "Tanah ini really milik saya/nenek moyang saya punya" with full respect and dignity, and Singapore Government Forced to Comply  laugh.gif
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No money involved, the problem is the existing land can't develop due to singapore government restriction, they can hold the land forever as they want and remain as it is, cannot unlock the value of the land.

Now with the land swap, at least they can build and sell low density residential house to billionaire/millionaire.
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jun 11 2025, 12:47 AM)
Why need to payout?
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"the land parcels to be swapped are comparable in value."
Area is area. you occupy more area, suppose to get more.

Somemore close to UNESCO site. Deserves that Singapore Gov should pay more laugh.gif
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Plot A is developed (ie got building already). Plot C is not (empty land).

That's why Plot A value is higher.

No need put money, can earn rental.

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Actually land owners need to pay huge tax there. I wonder where they get money from
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jun 11 2025, 09:23 AM)
Swapping big land with small land because big development is not allowed in big land near to botanic garden?

Macan kena game by SG je

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yup, sg gov can impose restriction and some don't make sense. like my current place, got height restriction, maximum can go 5 levels and it's not near any airstrip. maybe there are other reasons i don't know.

basically no developer will want to buy the land and re-develop a new housing project (they call it en-bloc).

maybe johor has no choice but to accept it cos it'll be left vacant anyway.. it's been this way for decades. so johor thinks maybe do something different now. but sg gov is known to always extend courtesy to johor royal family so i am sure major considerations have been done

sg's land policy is very pro gov. the gov can acquire any land it wants, even for freehold properties.. but they will pay market price. this is better for national development

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QUOTE(icycokes @ Jun 11 2025, 01:23 PM)
yup, sg gov can impose restriction and some don't make sense. like my current place, got height restriction, maximum can go 5 levels and it's not near any airstrip. maybe there are other reasons i don't know.

basically no developer will want to buy the land and re-develop a new housing project (they call it en-bloc).

maybe johor has no choice but to accept it cos it'll be left vacant anyway.. it's been this way for decades. so johor thinks maybe do something different now. but sg gov is known to always extend courtesy to johor royal family so i am sure major considerations have been done

sg's land policy is very pro gov. the gov can acquire any land it wants, even for freehold properties.. but they will pay market price. this is better for national development
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Because your place is in old zones such as Telok Kurau, infrastructures such as road, electricity and water supply was not catered for high density population.

Hence URA won’t approve it.

Singapore’s government doesn’t make decisions without sound reasoning.



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QUOTE(icycokes @ Jun 11 2025, 01:23 PM)
yup, sg gov can impose restriction and some don't make sense. like my current place, got height restriction, maximum can go 5 levels and it's not near any airstrip. maybe there are other reasons i don't know.

basically no developer will want to buy the land and re-develop a new housing project (they call it en-bloc).

maybe johor has no choice but to accept it cos it'll be left vacant anyway.. it's been this way for decades. so johor thinks maybe do something different now. but sg gov is known to always extend courtesy to johor royal family so i am sure major considerations have been done

sg's land policy is very pro gov. the gov can acquire any land it wants, even for freehold properties.. but they will pay market price. this is better for national development
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 10 2025, 11:44 PM)
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johor and singapore separated like Malacca and NS
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 11 2025, 09:51 AM)
Now that SG govt has taken over the land. It should restore the istana, maybe make it a museum.
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I doubt so. not their problem also. for that kind of land better build houses for their own citizens.

I mean, what's the point anyway?
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jun 11 2025, 02:49 PM)
I doubt so. not their problem also. for that kind of land better build houses for their own citizens.

I mean, what's the point anyway?
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 10 2025, 11:44 PM)
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Apparently back when the current sultan's ancestors were just temenggung (in the 19th century), they were in control (on behalf of the sultan) of the islands around riau and singapore. Due to war, they had to move to Singapore, then when the brits came they started to dispossess the temenggung from Singapore, eventually leaving him with some parcels of land in Singapore and recognition (i.e. promotion) as sultan.

Johor itself was technically not part of what the johor temenggung controlled. It was empty jungle with very little population. Left with no land, they developed the coast of johor and expanded - eventually leveraging their influence with the brits to become sultan themselves.
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QUOTE(SharpSword @ Jun 11 2025, 02:25 PM)
Obviously you are well off judging by your response. Your response itself proves my point. What prompted you to make the unnecessary and offensive remark on smoking? See your attitude? Anyway you can Google it and here is consensus.
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I think if built low density residential, Plot C is more favorable. I believe rich people wanna to stay nearer to Botanica garden instead of next to existing developed area. Plot C is much bigger than Plot A. Unless Plot A can built high density high rise.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 11 2025, 11:26 AM)
Plot A is developed (ie got building already). Plot C is not (empty land).

That's why Plot A value is higher.

No need put money, can earn rental.
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earn rental from who or what actually?
if its developed then the people living there would already have paid for the houses.
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 11 2025, 10:10 AM)
"the land parcels to be swapped are comparable in value."
Area is area. you occupy more area, suppose to get more.

Somemore close to UNESCO site. Deserves that Singapore Gov should pay more laugh.gif
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It is already explained as "comparable value". Clearly the smaller parcel of land worth more than bigger parcel if count by square feet.

Both sides who own it have agreed to it. You really think those involved see it as different value?

I can pay for a car using gold bars as long as comparable value. If by your logic, I need to give gold bar with area big enough to cover a car?
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QUOTE(keyser soze @ Jun 11 2025, 05:05 PM)
I think if built low density residential, Plot C is more favorable. I believe rich people wanna to stay nearer to Botanica garden instead of next to existing developed area. Plot C is much bigger than Plot A. Unless Plot A can built high density high rise.
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jun 11 2025, 05:48 PM)
It is already explained as "comparable value". Clearly the smaller parcel of land worth more than bigger parcel if count by square feet.

Both sides who own it have agreed to it. You really think those involved see it as different value?

I can pay for a car using gold bars as long as comparable value. If by your logic, I need to give gold bar with area big enough to cover a car?
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In this case, bigger is always better.

But Singapore government is smart, restrict the use of Plot C, bigger also in the end no use if cannot develop anything.

J has no choice but to agree to the land swap in order to unlock the value of the land.
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QUOTE(victorian @ Jun 11 2025, 05:54 PM)
In this case, bigger is always better.

But Singapore government is smart, restrict the use of Plot C, bigger also in the end no use if cannot develop anything. 

J has no choice but to agree to the land swap in order to unlock the value of the land.
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Well pretty sure J negotiated something to be fair for their side. They aren't the kind to agree to lopsided deals, judging by their business empire.

They see something of value there which we are not seeing.
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QUOTE(jamalnsx @ Jun 10 2025, 11:57 PM)
What I heard they rent out their land in Singapore. Not these plots of course.

I remember these plots near Holland was disputed for so long. Now seems Sg government have acknowledge the claim?

You can google Istana Tyrell.
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not tyrell, but tyersall.

it was referenced in the crazy rich asians movie
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QUOTE(GagalLand @ Jun 11 2025, 09:23 AM)
Swapping big land with small land because big development is not allowed in big land near to botanic garden?

Macan kena game by SG je

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that site is near to unesco world heritage site.

so definitely no development allowed. bcos need to be preserved.

same reason why hoo haa over plans to acknowledge kampung baru cina as unesco world heritage.

will get protection from being developed/sold/taken over.
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QUOTE(icycokes @ Jun 11 2025, 01:23 PM)
yup, sg gov can impose restriction and some don't make sense. like my current place, got height restriction, maximum can go 5 levels and it's not near any airstrip. maybe there are other reasons i don't know.

basically no developer will want to buy the land and re-develop a new housing project (they call it en-bloc).

maybe johor has no choice but to accept it cos it'll be left vacant anyway.. it's been this way for decades. so johor thinks maybe do something different now. but sg gov is known to always extend courtesy to johor royal family so i am sure major considerations have been done

sg's land policy is very pro gov. the gov can acquire any land it wants, even for freehold properties.. but they will pay market price. this is better for national development
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that land is either near or part of singapore botanic gardens, which is a unesco world heritage site.

so cannot do any development that changes the site
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Direct paid for Maharani project
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post Jun 11 2025, 09:31 PM

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Singapore kan dulu Johor punya
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post Jun 12 2025, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Jun 11 2025, 05:12 PM)
earn rental from who or what actually?
if its developed then the people living there would already have paid for the houses.
This is a swap deal between sinkie government and johor prince. sinkie government cannot swap for something they don't own right?

Parcel A is state land. Who is the owner on state land?

There are residential buildings on state land on Parcel A, if the owner is sinkie government then who is the lessee for the state land, other than renters?

Sinkie government also generate rental income. An example of who rent = ridout saga (go google if don't know).

State rentals can be substantially below market rents. Smart lessors will hike up to market, nothing new.

capish?


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post Jun 12 2025, 12:02 PM

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Johor sultan smart. Never trust type m to develop his land
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Jun 11 2025, 09:31 PM)
Singapore kan dulu Johor punya
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Yeah. 1 king 2 land.
Both manage by different ppl
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post Jun 12 2025, 12:07 PM

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Is forbes going to update malysia top 50 richest?
United Rulez
post Jun 12 2025, 12:11 PM

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Hnggggh JDT can renew another set of foreign players for next next season

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Jun 11 2025, 09:16 PM)
So rich but rakyat so poor
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if all rich, who want to work?
but gip a comfortable life lh when still alive.
look deeper meaning in life.

 

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