This news just came up this morning. Apparently several students revealed the driver was shouting angrily and was speeding before the bus crashed.

Investigations can be made and speculations by anyone can be made. However, after this piece of news came up, I'm rather certain now that the accident is caused by the driver and not any other external factors.

I don't know, but to me an accident is MOSTLY caused by the driver(s) involved in the accident, I would say 90%. Other factors would be vehicle fault such as brake failure, steering failure etc. perhaps (8%) or other factors such as oil on the road, tyre burst or a cow suddenly came up from nowhere and you can't brake in time (2%).

What do you think? The article published on The Star is as below.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...y-says-survivor

Gerik bus crash: Driver sounded angry, says survivor



GERIK: "I woke up when I heard the driver shouting angrily. I don't know what he was angry at but the bus started swaying from side to side and then overturned."

This is what Farhana Ab Aziz remembered after she survived the horrific accident where 15 Universiti Pendidikan Sultan Idris (UPSI) students were killed at KM53 of the East-West Highway here on Monday (June 9). Farhana, 23, said she heard noises from the driver's seat and saw he appeared to be angry before the bus sped up and became unstable. "When the bus departed from Jertih, I fell asleep. But around 12.45am, I woke up because I heard the driver mumbling angrily. "It wasn't clear why he was angry – whether it was the bus' condition or at a car in front – I'm not sure," she said when met by reporters at Gerik Hospital, reported Sinar Harian. Farhana said some other students who were awake also tried to see what was going on. Shortly after, she said, the bus started to sway and then overturned. "Many were unconscious. My friends and I who were awake quickly looked for an exit. "I was afraid of stepping on others," she said.

Another student, Rohadatul Aisy Mohd Zaki, 20, said she realised the bus was speeding after she was awaked by her friend seconds before the crash. "I was thrown into the aisle. It was cramped and a friend tried to help me but I couldn't get up. "After a few minutes, I managed to gather enough strength to get out of the bus," she said.

In the incident around 1am on Monday, 15 students died while 27 others were injured. The 40-year-old bus driver and his 54-year-old assistant were also injured. The accident is believed to have occurred when the bus collided with the rear of a multi-purpose vehicle before going out of control before overturning and crashing into the guardrail on the left of the road. A family of four in the MPV survived with injuries and were treated at Baling Hospital in Kedah.

Earlier report said driver was driving "berhemah"

dah panic letew

Grim reaper has been let loose. Everyone be aware.

only death sentence can deter these grim reaper drivers

With the dashcam footage revealed, definitely the driver's fault.

Is the bus roof made from wood?
Why i see wood?

If the dashcam video is real and the bus no have brake issues, confirm salah driver bas.

Come one lah... let the authority do their things. Some more create tered in serious kopitiam to guess what's the cause.

I think people should be 'sensitive' a bit lah when have major accident like this. Dont add fuel to fire.

Driver looks to be the culprit from the video footage. One shouldnt speed like that, regardless of circumstances.

But then he may probably just get a fine and reprimand and life goes on.

Well I once drove an old van down a hill when the brake suddenly fail on me, despite alone, I was shouting "fuck!fuck!fuck!"

Luckily I managed to control it.

So yeah, the driver could be shouting angrily when the brake suddenly fail.

Sometimes roof lining , or could be the luggage compartment.

tell me which one of you never encountered a speeding bas/lori/treler before?

Why is this on serious /k?

In any case, whether there is element of brake failure or not; driver is still at fault for speeding in the first place. Holding nearly 40 passengers is like you are holding 40 eggs in a basket without any egg holder, and running back to home, hoping that when you reach home all the 40 eggs are still in place.

This wouldn't have happened if the driver is not speeding and just casually crusing at normal speed. The fastest you can cut is just between 3~10mins, it's just not worth it to compensate with everyone's safety.

Why is this speculative thread in serious k?

The responsibilities, risks, and rewards you mentioned reflect a logical truth about priorities.

Choosing to save 3–10 minutes at the cost of potential damage and casualties is an unwise trade-off. Yet, it was too late. Lives were lost, survivors were traumatized, and families were left mourning.

Moving forward, public vehicle drivers need regular awareness workshops. Their attitude and decisions behind the wheel directly determine the fate of the passengers they transport.

Had the driver possessed a greater sense of responsibility, the decision to speed would not have arisen. A responsible person would recognize that the risks far outweigh any potential gain—sane individuals do not gamble with lives or betray the trust placed in them.

To all drivers: if you see a bus or public vehicle behind you attempting to overtake, gently move slightly to the left and allow them to pass safely. A small act of consideration can help prevent reckless overtaking or speeding.

If you realize the vehicle behind may lack comprehension or patience, why insist on being “right”?

Being right in a situation that ends in casualties is no victory.

Being wronged but able to prevent an accident—that’s a true win for society.

In the end, it’s not about ego. It’s about lives.

Buses all made from wood and aluminum. Wood mostly for the interiors. Aluminum for the structure. Steel for the chassis.

why at the first place this is located in serious K


The speed from cam footage was fast man.

Bought the bus number plate for tomorrow's 4D draw... Couldn't find the uncensored number plate photo earlier but thank u TS for showing it

What has happened to the speed limiter for buses ? Tampered or removed already ?

This post has been edited by -PuPu^ZaPruD3r-: Jun 10 2025, 12:24 PM

https://www.hmetro.com.my/utama/2025/06/122...an-bas-21-saman

Polis mengesahkan sebanyak 18 saman dikeluarkan kepada pemandu.

13 saman dikeluarkan atas kesalahan memandu laju.

bas terbabit turut mempunyai rekod sebanyak 21 saman dikeluarkan atas kesalahan trafik.

well that should tell you everything .

Its sad since this accident is avoidable with the proper SOP and enforcement .



This post has been edited by MegaCanonF: Jun 10 2025, 12:29 PM

So many saman and still on the road. I think after certain number of saman need to revoke driving licence..

What kind of enforcement we have? Enjoy 50% discount if you settle summon - its a stupid joke

Guard rails are scary

https://malaysiagazette.com/2025/06/09/kerj...BCoY4f1Yqo9Ho5g

This post has been edited by N9484640: Jun 10 2025, 09:27 PM


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Yea.. cant imagine that.. shud be almost instant ad at that moment

Gosh

Drive so fast, then so easy to say sorry

Must be the guard rail that caused such high fatality.

tengok video - the bus just slide sideways on the road.. how come the top hancur sampai ini macam

coz the top terkena the road benteng

of coz its brake issue when you drive a 15tonned vehicle like a mod wira.

Brake failure. Specifically sabotage. It appears there are powers that be who wanted to distract the whole nation at this time. Familiar modus operandi? Think back.

This post has been edited by SharpSword: Jun 10 2025, 08:51 PM

Yeah I don't get this bit here.

Maybe firemen need to cut open to get them out. If you see the photo I posted, the roof is intact

harsher punishment is meaningless if it doesn't reduce fatality

hancur by guardrail

Heavy vehicle drivers knows driving fast on twisty trunk road require frequent braking at corners

this will cause brake to fad or loss of braking power when components get overheat

Brake pad material will melt if exceeded heat range

If you look at the circulating videos, the bus was travelling at high speed. On highway also same, most of the express busses drive very fast and try to overtake cars. Crazy.

It’s crazy , it just like a time bomb , waiting for the right time to happen .. they are fast without thinking of safety of the passengers
😖😢🤬

If follow this style, many will lose their driving license including police, jpj and authority themselve.

thats why our traffic law is lenient, as they also beat the law themselve

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/m...were-functional
Malaysia fatal bus crash: Report confirms bus brakes were functional
PETALING JAYA – The brakes on the bus involved in the crash that killed 15 Sultan Idris Education University (UPSI) students were in working condition, according to vehicle company Puspakom.

Puspakom’s preliminary technical report, released on June 14, indicated that an inspection of the brakes, lining and drums showed no signs of wear. “Inspection of the air compressor tank also found there was no air pressure leakage,” the report stated. The tyres were also found to be in satisfactory condition and compliant with the road transport department specifications. Additionally, the steering and suspension system were deemed satisfactory.
However, the report noted that the leaf spring and shock absorbers were misaligned, possibly due to the accident.

“Based on observations and technical investigations, there is no evidence showing mechanical failure was the cause of the accident,” it added, suggesting other factors such as road conditions or human error. In a statement, Transport Minister Anthony Loke said necessary improvement measures would be considered and implemented once the final report is received to further enhance road safety. “The safety of road users is our priority. The ministry conveys its condolences to the victims’ families and expresses its commitment to ensuring justice is served while ensuring such tragedies do not repeat,” he said on June 14. On June 9, 15 UPSI students died when their chartered bus overturned after colliding with a multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) on the East-West Highway near Gerik town. The crash also left 33 others injured, including the bus driver, his assistant, the MPV driver and three passengers in the MPV.

The bus driver, who has since been charged in court, had claimed that the bus suffered brake failure during the incident. THE STAR/ ASIA NEWS NETWORK

So the claim by the driver that the brakes weren't working before the crash was disputed by Puspakom.

It is likely the driver was just driving too fast as claimed by several students that were lucky to be alive, though I'm not sure about the story of the driver trying the brakes for about 1 minute or more reporting that the brakes weren't working.

Also, as an add-on, even before the Puspakom report came out, the claim of a brake failure was highly suspicious, especially when the driver claimed that he miraculously manoeuvred the vehicle for more than 1 minute, which is a long time, without the brakes before crashing the bus. I am not sure about the conditions of the roads where the mishap took place. However, based on logical thinking, if the driver was driving within speed limit and at a leisurely pace without speeding, he would surely know the condition of the brakes whether it's in good or poor condition. I mean, how can the brakes suddenly just fail like that. It just sounds like a movie where someone cut the hoses or something where the brakes just suddently don't work at all even though you apply full force to the brakes. It just doesn't make sense.

Well, say even though the brakes really don't work anymore, depending on the conditions of the road the driver would surely be able to just let the vehicle cruise slowly to a halt UNLESS it's all the way downhill road like Genting HIghlands. Anyway, all the speculation is of no use anymore as the report has already proven that the brakes were indeed working, and this has also proven that the driver is not honest with his earlier claims.

Of course, as we all understand he will need to say something to defend himself for the great disaster which he had caused in the earlier stages when all focus was on him. I presume he has no choice but to just give an excuse despite knowing it's not the truth.

I don't post on Kopitiam as I find the language there different where I find difficulty understanding what that was posted.

It doesn't make sense? How does air brake system work? What is the most likely cause of failure if both air tanks for brakes has no pressure and the clutch booster to shift gear not working? How long would the air brake system work without the pressure being replenished by the air compressor? What was checked by the preliminary visual inspection and what they haven't check in full forensic investigation? Did they turn the engine on and check the air brake system functions from air compressor all the way to the brake chamber? The bau hangit smell since the town of Tanah Merah, where does it came from? Is it overheating brake lining or something else like oil starvation of the air compressor or leaked gasket of air compressor?

These are remaining questions that need to be answered including the following eyewitness account of a passenger sitting directly behind the driver (tv3 interview) :

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the frontmost seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively.

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.

Link: tv3 interview

Yes, you are right. The location of the crash is marked '+' and it is all the way downhill since they already passed the Titiwangsa R&R stop.



This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Jun 21 2025, 05:09 AM

How old is the driver and how many years of driving where he accumulated those 18 speeding tickets? If he didn't pay those 18 tickets over long period of time, pretty sure he'll get blacklisted and can't renew his driving license.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Jun 21 2025, 05:18 AM

We can estimate the final speed if we can refer to road side markers parallel to the bus and the time stamp. Something like 0.8 seconds between the opening of access road to telco tower to the fifth post of the guard rail. Distance covered maybe 4 m + 0.6 m + (5x1.91m) = 14.15 m. Thus the final speed is perhaps, v = 14.15 m ÷ 0.8 s = 17.7 m/s = 63.7 km/h plus minus maybe 5 km/h. So, maybe it is somewhere between 58.7 km/h to 68.7 km/h as we are only estimating the distance.

This guy you give him sports car also driving like a mad man, sure the brakes system heat up until no more function.

It was already mentioned in the Puspakom report as below.

Malaysia fatal bus crash: Report confirms bus brakes were functional

PETALING JAYA – The brakes on the bus involved in the crash that killed 15 Sultan Idris Education University (UPSI) students were in working condition, according to vehicle company Puspakom.

Puspakom’s preliminary technical report, released on June 14, indicated that an inspection of the brakes, lining and drums showed no signs of wear. “Inspection of the air compressor tank also found there was no air pressure leakage,” the report stated. The tyres were also found to be in satisfactory condition and compliant with the road transport department specifications. Additionally, the steering and suspension system were deemed satisfactory.
However, the report noted that the leaf spring and shock absorbers were misaligned, possibly due to the accident.

“Based on observations and technical investigations, there is no evidence showing mechanical failure was the cause of the accident,” it added,

Air compressor tank... not the air compressor itself which is near the engine. Have they turn on the engine and run the air compressor? Have they verified what is the cause why driver cannot downshift? Which indicate loss of pressure is before the tank. Most likely the tanks are 4 & 5. Air compressor is 1. No 6 is the 4 way valve that supply air to the tanks and also 21 provide air to clutch booster. I am not saying they didn't check, but static visual inspection by puspakom will not reveal systemic failure. Perhaps more detail forensic investigation by miros will reveal more. Including the source of the smell from Tanah Merah, which most likely not overheated brake lining as the bus was on relatively flat route. Could it be oil starvation, overheated compressor and gasket failure of the air compresor? They will know for sure once they turn on the engine and let it run the air compressor.

Right now there are two possibilities i. Driver was speeding and lost control and ii. Driver finally lost control due to air brake system failure and after he avoided several vehicles. Or maybe a 3rd one, driver was speeding before no ii. Hard to dismiss no ii since there is an eyewitness account of this who sit directly behind the driver. And need to check validity of driver's claim of BOTH brake failure and gear shifting failure, which could suggest the there is no air pressure supply from the air compressor.



This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Jun 21 2025, 01:42 PM