Are M’sians so lazy and scare of competition with seniors?
Why Msian so against new 65 yr old retirement age?
Why Msian so against new 65 yr old retirement age?
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Jun 4 2025, 01:42 PM, updated 7 months ago
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Other countries OK je Are M’sians so lazy and scare of competition with seniors? lordgamer3 liked this post
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Jun 4 2025, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Jun 4 2025, 03:27 PM) A lot of countries in the list quoted by TS eg Netherlands you get full pension only upon working till the required age eg 67. Yeah. I have one colleague in Turkey decided to retire at 40 yo to get that pension. A very pitiful amountPrivate sector also pension by govt. 🤔 Then she slowly go find new job Their retirement age law is subject to the day they start working This post has been edited by knwong: Jun 4 2025, 03:32 PM |
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Jun 4 2025, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(buraqdunia @ Jun 4 2025, 03:02 PM) I'm ok with senile old ppl working. But how menurunkan kuasa is coin in 1st place. Not not taking the responsibility, unclear order, go meeting and seminar and go back office just handle PowerPoint presentation and ask all staff do it . Oh! I should using bold, UPPERCASE and humongous Font. Like their belly. QUOTE(bigmac999 @ Jun 4 2025, 03:42 PM) the problem is some old people are somewhat senile and cant make logical decisions anymore The Older-Worker Productivity Drain Is (Mostly) a Myth: Studythis will create trouble in the workplace https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/11/27/the...y-a-myth-study/ QUOTE Conclusions In short, the authors conclude, older workers appear to be as productive as younger workers, but they may cost more to employ. |
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Jun 4 2025, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(poooky @ Jun 4 2025, 03:58 PM) You make good points, but all my confident in the system has been broken last few years. We all know it as much as we wan to believe the opposite. What gov role can get 7k+ monthly pencen? Most I know are way below thatAlso there is no guarantee that ppl can remain employed in private all the way to 60. Most will be laid off many2 years before that so no more contribution. Any work they can fine maybe pay minimum wage at most unless they take out capital to do own business. Job for life is very lesser now. For gov pencen, plenty of lifetime servants who keep head down and retired at 60, monthly draw around 7k+ not bad what. These days can live another 25 yrs. Then pass to spouse and children some more + other benefits for serving nation. If it is kacang putih as u imply they wouldn't have pushing civil servants to epf system because too expensive 7k+ pencen is drawing like >20k month previously... poooky liked this post
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Jun 4 2025, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 4 2025, 04:24 PM) . How much Msia gomen borrow from EPF? Got pay back?Fyi, 34 countries provide social pension to the elderly/retirees that is funded by tax money. In USA, their Social Security Fund for retirees is being used or borrowed by the US government for its annual budget. In Malaysia, the government also borrows from the EPF for its annual budget, besides providing social pension to retired civil servants. Similarly for other countries borrowing from the pension funds for their annual budgets. So, there is motivation for the governments in the world to extend the retirement age to about 65-75 yo = pension fund or social pension withdrawal age also extended, so that the govts could borrow more from the pension funds or spend less tax money for social pensions. ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_pension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Securi...(United_States) . |
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Jun 4 2025, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Jun 4 2025, 04:43 PM) Yea, i personally know one retiree whos some sort of state representative for whatever the heck, is drawing close to 5k only for pencen. Many in my family members are way lower than that...and they are very grateful. Just before retirement they get good golden handshake $$ alsoAnd he’s not your average govermental servant ya.. he has drivers, and a shitload of very “official” looking benefits such as authorized to officiate shits, have state owned cars and the shebangs. He just told me that most of his prior $ comes from additional allowances thats not part of pencen calculations, and his base salary is ciput, says i can just google his salary scale for his grade and I’ll understand. But of course i couldn’t be bothered and he got no point in lying to me anyway |
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Jun 4 2025, 06:14 PM
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Jun 4 2025, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 4 2025, 05:34 PM) Bcoz raising retirement age is an indirect reflection of the failure of gomens to curb costs of living and inflation... Literally all government in this world, SG included. All are failing gomenInstead of solving the issue , you're made to work longer to ensure you have adequate savings or if you still dont have enuff savings by that retirement age - you will definitely be nearly your last days. So you're just a temporary problem for them until your depopz... littlefire and ruffy_z liked this post
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Jun 5 2025, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 5 2025, 09:26 AM) Many people I talked to said that felt happy after retirement for few months and then don't know what to do with boredom A very good advise I received from a retiree friend who recently pass awayJust before you retire make sure take up hobby of interest so that you wake up with motivation to pursue it That's why he pick up photography, computer repair, racket sports... This post has been edited by knwong: Jun 5 2025, 09:33 AM |
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Jun 5 2025, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(stinger @ Jun 5 2025, 11:36 AM) No we are not, our population is still young and brain drain of young talents are real. The Older-Worker Productivity Drain Is (Mostly) a Myth: Studysos : https://www.populationpyramid.net/malaysia/2024/ older people have lower productivity and bloated salary is also a fact - must be addressed. Extending these people retirement age only does not help, dismiss them from their existing authorities and important positions to become teacher to nurture the young ones ? Yes please - question is nobody is going to do it that's why we have retarded teachers. if you are type C then yes then this race is going extinct in Malaysia in the future but truth is for Malaysian, we have a lot of Kelantan and Terengganu babies coming to KL work https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/11/27/the...y-a-myth-study/ |
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Jun 5 2025, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 5 2025, 10:48 AM) When Najib increase the retirement age to 60, it was the same lah What should be the proper way of calculating number of civil servants?There are people who supports it and there are people who are against it As for bloated civil service, you should consider how we calculate our civil service We include police officers, military personnel and teachers but most countries do not include them The biggest issue today is more towards unbalance distribution of civil service Look at government hospitals for examples. Why are nurses and doctors bogged down with doing administrative jobs? Fact is today, the pros of extending the retirement age is higher than maintaining it at 60 Why are there so many people especially youngsters are against it? Singapore retirement age is 64 and do you really think our people savings are more than Singaporeans when they retire? |
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Jun 5 2025, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jun 5 2025, 12:30 PM) No issue with raising retirement age, provided epf withdrawal remains at 55/60 Why Singaporean continue to vote PAP despite having evil gov locking their CPF?I want to have the freedom to choose whether to continue working or relaxing in my later years but i can't agree to my epf funds being locked away like singapore |
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Jun 5 2025, 12:50 PM
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Jun 5 2025, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jun 5 2025, 01:04 PM) yep. my grandma is 92 and still collecting half pension from my grandfather. My father also collecting pension for 15 years now. How much is your grandma getting? CuriousPrivate sector, all will bising if they raise EPF withdrawal to retirement age, but I think even I will work past 55, if anything just to keep busy....or just do some other easier and flexible jobs like consulting. |
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Jun 5 2025, 01:24 PM
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Jun 5 2025, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 5 2025, 03:15 PM) Coz they got no other good choice or alternative party to vote for, eg the PAP has often won more than two-thirds majority in GE = could change the Constitution = change CPF rules. In Malaysia, not often got two-thirds majority. They should at least reduce PAP majority - to send signal telling them citizen are still the king. |
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Jun 5 2025, 10:38 PM
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Jun 6 2025, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Bill888 @ Jun 5 2025, 10:42 PM) I think is to give the people the option to choose because some old folks still healthy at 65. If they want to continue work till 65 up to them. But epf money must be able to withdraw at 55. If partial at 55 then full until official 65 retirement age, will you support? |
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Jun 6 2025, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(hollyweed @ Jun 6 2025, 05:14 PM) 60 pun sudah tak efficient. lagi mau extend? bayar gaji mahal tapi buat kerja ciput. dah la still with boomers mentality. ofcoz youngsters will oppose. The Older-Worker Productivity Drain Is (Mostly) a Myth: Studyhttps://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/11/27/the...y-a-myth-study/ |
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