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 Why Msian so against new 65 yr old retirement age?

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post Jun 4 2025, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 4 2025, 06:15 PM)
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If the full EPF Withdrawal age is also increased to 65, the option to retire before 65 would be limited, eg opt to retire at 50..
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My prediction

The retirement age will probably increase from 62 to 65

No more options to withdraw everything except a small amount

Balance will be monthly withdrawal until 75 to 80


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post Jun 4 2025, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 4 2025, 06:37 PM)
Before implementing officially, they will give a window first for the workforce and EPF contributors to 'adjust' themselves. We can do the necessary then during this time before full implementation.
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post Jun 5 2025, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jun 4 2025, 09:37 PM)
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more like seniors blocking earth from moving, making youngsters waste more time in smaller roles
on the other end of the scale the old boomers in higher positions don't want to retire early
so can suap more
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If youngsters are capable, they be able to overtake the boomers

There are plenty of C suite people who are young today

However, there are tons of youngsters who think they are better than boomers but in reality they are just dreaming laugh.gif
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post Jun 5 2025, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 5 2025, 10:17 AM)
I actually think it will be otherwise. Many issues are considered serious threat and cruelty to the citizen until Madani become government, suddenly become bright idea. Eg AES/AWAS.
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Raising retirement age has been discussed since Najib time lah

Najib was the one who raise it to 60

We need to revisit this issue today because it's genuinely a problem which we must tackle

I don't know why there are people who against it

If you want to retire early, no one is forcing you to retire at 65

This option is for those who still need to work as they can't afford to retire early

As for EPF, if people rely only on EPF as their only source of fundings after retirement, it means that you really should retire at 65

As for not allowing people to withdraw everything, just look at Singapore and the reason why they are doing it lah
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post Jun 5 2025, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 5 2025, 11:15 AM)
1st - the reply was to a comment saying many against it's due to coming from a MahalDaNi minister, but I would say that usually anything that coming out from the other side the MahalDahni minister leading the reformati will comment that it is a serious threat or cruelty towards the citizen.

2nd - Many are against it because it will make the already bloated civil service more bloated.
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When Najib increase the retirement age to 60, it was the same lah

There are people who supports it and there are people who are against it

As for bloated civil service, you should consider how we calculate our civil service

We include police officers, military personnel and teachers but most countries do not include them

The biggest issue today is more towards unbalance distribution of civil service

Look at government hospitals for examples. Why are nurses and doctors bogged down with doing administrative jobs?

Fact is today, the pros of extending the retirement age is higher than maintaining it at 60

Why are there so many people especially youngsters are against it?

Singapore retirement age is 64 and do you really think our people savings are more than Singaporeans when they retire?


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post Jun 5 2025, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jun 5 2025, 12:07 PM)
The impression that I get from reading netizens reaction is that they just butthurt seeing how much old people earn. Lol. They want the money but don't want to put in the shift... Susah sikit at opis, terus tender
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A lot of them think they can easily replace the boomers, and the boomers are just blocking their way

However, they forgot that there are plenty of youngsters reaching c suite level

If they are not in those position today, it only means they are not there yet
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post Jun 5 2025, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(stinger @ Jun 5 2025, 12:36 PM)
No we are not, our population is still young and brain drain of young talents are real.

sos : https://www.populationpyramid.net/malaysia/2024/

older people have lower productivity and bloated salary is also a fact - must be addressed.

Extending these people retirement age only does not help, dismiss them from their existing authorities and important positions to become teacher to nurture the young ones ?
Yes please - question is nobody is going to do it that's why we have retarded teachers.

if you are type C then yes then this race is going extinct in Malaysia in the future but truth is for Malaysian, we have a lot of Kelantan and Terengganu babies coming to KL work
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Malaysia is projected to become an aged country by 2030, with 15.3% of the population aged 60 and over. This is a result of increasing life expectancy and declining fertility rates. The percentage of those aged 60 and over is expected to increase from 7.9% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2030.
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post Jun 5 2025, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jun 5 2025, 12:59 PM)
Why need to raise to 65.

Because there is problem with wealth generation down the economy.

Raising retirement age doesnt mean will solve "afford to retire"

the pool of wealth fund in EPF is dwindling very fast and the feed to the system is low.

even increases retirement age, doesnt mean it will contribute towards replacing funds that is departing.

Catch 22 problem.
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Fact 1. Malaysian population is aging population
Fact 2. Most Malaysian people don't have enough when they retire at 60
Fact 3. Some Malaysians used up all their retirement funds in just a few years after retiring
Fact 4. Most successful countries in the world set their retirement age above 60
Fact 5. EPF sustainability will be a problem in the future if we continue with current set up

There are tons of reasons why raising retirement age is a no brainer lah

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post Jun 5 2025, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Jun 5 2025, 01:04 PM)
my god people so goddam stupid

government are not your friend, they are all stupid people and they have stolen your tax money over the past 70-80 years

increase the retirement age ? increase to 100 lo

I telling you la, majority of people are a frog in a boil water, slow cooking to death
A.I and Automation are coming to replace alot of people

I tell you these clowns will in 10 years time, increase the retirement age to 70
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You do know that nobody can force you to not retire early, right?
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post Jun 6 2025, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2025, 05:43 PM)
Can,... don't self-contribute anymore.

Start business earlier whereby you can 'control' your finances better and not contribute too much legally.

For those who reached 50 yo, take out whatever possible for a good reason.
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Start biz earlier? You think all biz is sure profitable

What is wrong with putting in EPF and not withdraw everything?
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post Jun 6 2025, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2025, 06:06 PM)
We were on the topic of how to avoid our funds being held back for a long time. Hence, I recommended those methods.

IF,... your thinking is of not having any issues with having your funds inside EPF for a long time, then ignore my inputs.
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The topic is not why against 65 years old retirement?

Anyway, itโ€™s a genuine question. Why you so eager to take it out?

You really sure can find something that gives a better safer and stable returns like EPF

 

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