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post Sep 27 2025, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Matchy @ Sep 27 2025, 06:45 PM)
Buy to warm bench?
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Not Amorim preference
He wants Martinez
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post Sep 27 2025, 07:50 PM

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post Sep 27 2025, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Sep 27 2025, 07:58 PM)
Finally sesko open account !
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post Sep 27 2025, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ Sep 27 2025, 08:21 PM)
I’m browsing thru some gua now..how about you?
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I am VIP, so staying in there every week for EPL games, win only come out, lose continue stay in gua
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post Sep 27 2025, 08:58 PM

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Ugarte cover so many arse now sub him off?

Bruno is 0 contribute so far
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post Sep 27 2025, 09:06 PM

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Bruno alone cost us drop 4 points
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post Sep 27 2025, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(callmecool @ Sep 27 2025, 09:23 PM)
Commentator said 9 defeats in last 15 League games. If this doesn’t warrant a sacking on Amorim, I don’t know what else. But who else can we hire in the market…
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Glasner if still want playing back 3
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post Sep 27 2025, 09:36 PM

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Next game Sunderland
Sunderland is far way better than Brentford


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post Sep 27 2025, 09:54 PM

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Give me Glasner pls
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post Sep 27 2025, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Sep 27 2025, 10:04 PM)
yea i already did suggest some names.
1. ruud van nistelrooy
2. zinedine zidane
3. ole gunnar solskjaer
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Why not Glasner?
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post Sep 27 2025, 11:15 PM

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Well, the 3-4-2-1 is leading Liverpool now
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post Sep 28 2025, 08:52 AM

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He with 3421 go 10 games unbeaten, our with 3421 win 1 game then lost 10 games
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post Sep 28 2025, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(mihina69 @ Sep 28 2025, 11:58 AM)
Here we goooo...our new candidate/victim
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Sep 28 2025, 12:11 PM)
I hope he remains there and win title like Leicester. At least won't sakit hati this season. See rivals win title again. Wait... Our rivals now are wolves lul.

Incredible job selling Eze and still win
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His contract end this season, he is aiming United seat also
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post Sep 28 2025, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Sep 28 2025, 04:14 PM)
"its not system"

we dont have the players to play amorim system. the choices are, amorim to change and adapt with the players he got, or keep playing 343 until he got sacked.
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Glesner took over Feb 2024 from Woy Hudson, changing from the classic 4231 to 3421

1.5 seasons and he already make Palace a team hard to beat.

Players who they bought also not much, still maintaining some of the players but still can execute it well
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QUOTE(tontolou @ Sep 29 2025, 10:26 AM)
Go back to traditional football.

Wingers beat the LB or RB.

LB or RB overlap.

But both the wide team put the ball in, make a cross.

Enough of the nonsense of False 9, wingers cutting in.

Not all players can do such like CR7, Bale, Robben, Ribery.

And like it or not, drop Fernandes. He might be a top player, but his regressing the overall team.
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3421 actually main game play was doing alot of overlap like how the traditional 442 did but here we hardly do that

Dorgu can be very energetic but without Cunha or any AML doing the 1,2 with him, he will just get marked out easily

The beauty of playing back 3 is, you have extra man at the back, the extra man will be playing a free role roaming forward to do all those cut in the middle and supporting wingback doing all those overlap and so, good example vs Chelsea game where De Ligt was good on that but if you put him as CCB, this will limit his movement.


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post Sep 29 2025, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Sep 29 2025, 12:29 AM)
I've been doing some digging. Here are the stats of goal pre and post Bruno arrival to the club. The following data is just for the Premier League.

Season 2015-16 through 2019-20 (Pre Bruno) :

Total goals : 302 goals

Goals by striker : 163 goals

Season 2020-21 - Present (Post Bruno) :

Total goals : 323 goals

Goals by striker : 85 goals (60 by Rashford)

And Bruno himself scored 47 goals. 21 of them are penalties.

Mind you, the previous 5 seasons we were managed by LVG, Mourinho, and Ole.

The 2 managers known for having defensive strategy and mindset. And Ole with the counter attack strategy 1 1/2 season.

The arrival of Bruno have shifted the team focus on striker to relying on support player like Bruno and the rest of the team instead.

15% of the goals come from him alone. So instead of being a support to the striker, Bruno have become the main man.

And the team have become too reliant on him and becoming like headless chicken when he is not there or not performing.

The pattern is too obvious, once the ball up the pitch, if it is not on Bruno's feet, the rest of them will keep trying to pass to him.

And this makes it easy for opponent to break our play. Control Bruno and you control the game. Once he is frustrated, the opponent is 70% on their way to a win.

I don't know if this is the manager's instructions or what, but this the current DNA of our team.

And Bruno have shown that he is unwilling to change the way he plays to suit the manager's tactic. He wants to play in a tactic that can make him shine instead.

That is why for me, we need to start remove him out of the equations and learn to play without him, instead of removing the manager each time the players failed to play properly.

Feel free to disagree but this is my take from what I watch each week for the past few years.
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QUOTE(even_steven @ Sep 29 2025, 02:17 AM)
So what you are saying here is that we don't have any other good players in the team beside Bruno?

What I am saying up there is we are too dependent on Bruno until our game pattern is easily readable.

Up to the point where other good players also keep on passing to Bruno instead of pushing forward or trying to do something by their self.

At the moment I even wondered if each time Dorgu & Mbuemo push forward and cross, is it intended for the striker or Bruno?

The team have become "lost" and doesn't know how to play with a striker. That is why we are having a hard time to score goal nowadays.

With this mentality, we will always be disadvantaged from the moment we started the game. We have 11 players on the pitch but we only plays with 10 men.

Why? Because we don't know how to use the striker.
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It is time to take off the responsibility from Bruno and build the team around other players, I think with Mbeumo, we can build the team around him, Sesko and Cunha

Plus refrain the license to shoot from Bruno as well, I mentioned it early but ppl still disagree with me, stats don’t lie and your stats showing we are too depends on him, if he off form, we can’t win or depend on individual brilliance to win us games

And free kick, penalty kicks should be given out for other players to take it.

QUOTE(tontolou @ Sep 29 2025, 12:36 PM)
So, basically a defensive midfield with extra step?
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Yes, it will wasted if we play De Ligt at the middle of 3 CB cuz he is not the best header in the team and limit his potential to roam forward and press opponent at their area. Yoro can do that but opponent macam not afraid of him cuz of his body built.

I think Heaven has the physical presence to take on the CCB role while both Yoro and De Ligt as wide CB roles

Everything will be useless if Bruno keep playing in the CM/DM role.

Just look at Milan vs Napoli match, Modric still control the midfield, he doesn’t have the pace or the body strength but he has the EQ and his ball holding and distribution are way few levels ahead of Bruno, Bruno just doesn’t have the EQ when the team in disadvantage

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Sep 29 2025, 05:54 PM)
im all amorimout. sorry. hes just not good enough for this club. he got potential, hes a good manager, but fail to adapt and quickly make the players translate it into results is just shit. no good manager will allow his team to keep on losing without trying something. sack him for good. just enough already.
you can look back at amorim interview. he said it himself, his 343 always play 1 cdm and 1 at 8. he plays attacking wingbacks and 2 10s. he like the 2 10s. but bruno is shit at 8. mbeumo is not 10. our wingbacks are shit. so, no matter what kind of 343 we look at it, the players just not up to that system. their brain is dead. amorim can benched everybody and start playing reserved. but reserve team also super shit, so there is another way... ADAPT!! just adapt to the players that he has for a while, go find some result, play bad, play shit, just win 1-0 park the bus also no problem. then the transfer window come, sell everyone. no point keeping these set of players who cannot understand what he want. ..or, or.. or just resign.
cunha understand his role, but mbeumo i think he must play with some space. he wont get into the tight area, i remember how our own "raumdeuter" a.k.a van de beek trying to present in tight space, and then just provide 1 touch, 1 simple link up touch in tight space. it looks simple. but it makes the ball moving so other players can make the run. not sure how to explain this. but keep on passing side ways until all players already there is a waste of time. just release the ball quick. the 10s , like mbeumo, just go inside that tight space, fight for the second ball.. go inside. no point giving width because nobody can pass that hollywood passing to u. im talking like crap now. but my point is, jus let bruno play there. switch mbeumo to the right wing, let maino play with casemiro in the middle. this might work. well accoridng to me  laugh.gif
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Case Mainoo or Ugarte Mainoo might work because the 2 CMs in 3421 formation, that 2 CMs either 1 is destroyer or dirty work type, the other one able to push the ball forward like Modric or did some killer pass that break thru the line like Kross or swift the ball to the wingback like Pogba

We only have destroyer like Ugarte, Case no pace his area cover was quite limited, Bruno can’t do any of push the ball forward, killer thru pass, his long cross to the width area sometime ok someone too far

Cunha if you watch Wolves matches, he needs to play with freedom not limit him to stick at one place, he needs those spaces to do running

As for VDB, we have Mount who can do better, he is better as half winger half AM role but he just doesn’t have the strength and stamina to complete 90 min

Mbeumo, Amad always block his way, Dalot didn’t run and create spaces for him which makes his life difficult

The beauty of 3421 is the 3 defenders, an extra man who can operate as pressing defender, and doing a lot of forward run and crosses which De Ligt is excel at, put him at CCB which Maguire is playing will limit his ability

Bruno can be useful if Amorim tweak his 3421 to 352, adding extra guy in the middle but need to sacrifice 1 upfront





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QUOTE(Darren @ Sep 30 2025, 01:19 PM)
huh?
amorim offer to walk away free ma if club have no confidence on him....
just let him be....
the PROUD amorim wont back on his own word like his stand on his SYSTEM...

other coaches?
let the new manager decide...
get the GENERAL down first before decide the future of his left/right hand....
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His coaching team are all amateur, some 20s, got one someone only assistant coach in our Malaysia league with KL City before, some don’t even have football knowledge

I think coaches play important roles in setting up the training, the drill, the movement and so but it seems they are too amateur to handle

You see during prime Mourinho, he has Faria as assistant but once he left and become manager himself, Mourinho become less relevant already


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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Sep 30 2025, 06:17 PM)
what kind of wingbacks does glasner have in palace? looks like these 2 are undroppable ..

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edit: hmm ... fun fact .. both players were not a wingbacks!! they are just full backs! damn it.
and glasner just play them in back-3 system higher up the pitch without issues.

therefore. based on this example alone, glasner plays a 343 defensive? lulz.
this is like playing shaw and mazraoui on both flank.
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Glesner not playing defensive but he limit his players doing high court press like us which can easily expose if any of the front 3 didn’t follow the order or slow and playing high up easily expose Maguire’s lacking pace and Amorim didn’t arrange one of the wide CB to cover him when we got counter by opponent

Another one… both our wingback are pure shit. Dalot is super shit while Dorgu can’t cross nicely. Put Palace wingback into our squad and put Case Ugarte then can be good

343/3421 really depends highly on wingback overload opponent width and both CM really have lesser responsibilities but ours terbalik

This post has been edited by beck_ken: Oct 1 2025, 10:21 AM

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