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JohnL77
post May 25 2025, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ May 25 2025, 02:20 PM)
No heart attack before kobis?
How many measles cases after he becum the health secretary of US?
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The topic is about the increase in heart attacks, especially among young people. Not about whether there were heart attacks before kobis.

Measles cases have gone down after he told people to get vaccinated. Apa lagi mau?

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html
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post May 25 2025, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 01:20 PM)
You mean COVID?

There's 2 issues with COVID from what I've read.

The immune system kills the host from carpet bombing the lung cells infected with COVID

And the general immune response to the spike protein in circulation, which was known to cause multi system issue, including heart conditions and blood clots

The 2nd part was considered when the patients that are vaccinated against the spike protein developed similar issues like COVID infections

But I think they might have issues proving it one over the other because a lot of people are asymptomatic when infected with COVID, and it's also known viruses sometimes hide in the human genome by incorporating with the host DNA. That's why there is a recent article by another ktard regarding potential permanent immune cell based immunomodulation by COVID viruses.

Pretty wild stuff
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Also, the way WHO reacts to it is completely in reverse, should have done early lockdown on ground zero, block air flights, and mandatory masking, to reduce exposure and the spreading.

Instead, they do the complete opposite, they call country that block China travelers from entering their country as xenophobic, they say mask is useless, and lockdown is useless.

But after the whole world is infected, then they reverse all their initial ruling, mandatory block traveling, mandatory masking, and mandatory lockdown.

If you ask me, WHO has completely failed at their job from the very beginning.

Mask is important if you don't have immunity yet, it gives your body ample time to troubleshoot the virus before it replicate too much and impairs the lung, by reducing exposure, your body has more time to troubleshoot the new pathogens and build immunity safely.

From the start I wear mask already, when they say it is useless to wear it, but I stop wearing mask much earlier too, when it is still mandatory to wear it.
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post May 25 2025, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 25 2025, 02:26 PM)
The topic is about the increase in heart attacks, especially among young people. Not about whether there were heart attacks before kobis.

Measles cases have gone down after he told people to get vaccinated. Apa lagi mau?

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html
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It's clearly stated in the video
The number of heart attacks increased, compared to a decade ago.

Dey, kobis beksin sudah a decade?

Want to compare also choose the correct duration la.
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post May 25 2025, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 25 2025, 01:13 PM)
Until now, they don't have the immunity to covid and still get sick from it.

The only real immunity is given to those giant pharmaceutical companies from any lawsuits from recipients who consent and sign waiver form.
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Yup , this is the main reason i refuse to sign and cucuk ... same goes to my children
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post May 25 2025, 02:33 PM

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post May 25 2025, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ May 25 2025, 01:59 PM)
But but but they said people who doubt the covid vaccines are all low IQ..
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 25 2025, 02:26 PM)
The topic is about the increase in heart attacks, especially among young people. Not about whether there were heart attacks before kobis.

Measles cases have gone down after he told people to get vaccinated. Apa lagi mau?

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html
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Concept too difficult to digest for them.
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post May 25 2025, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ May 25 2025, 02:29 PM)
It's clearly stated in the video
The number of heart attacks increased, compared to a decade ago.

Dey, kobis beksin sudah a decade?

Want to compare also choose the correct duration la.
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The problem is, the doctors in Singapore are saying that even more younger people are having heart attack issues.

Which is unheard of 5 years ago, usually heart attacks targets age 50 years and above.
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post May 25 2025, 03:00 PM

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post May 25 2025, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ May 25 2025, 02:29 PM)
It's clearly stated in the video
The number of heart attacks increased, compared to a decade ago.

Dey, kobis beksin sudah a decade?

Want to compare also choose the correct duration la.
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2011: 8,000/year

Now: 12,000/year

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QUOTE(killdavid @ May 25 2025, 02:41 PM)
Concept too difficult to digest for them.
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Youtube comments so different from ktards.

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post May 25 2025, 03:04 PM

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post May 25 2025, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 25 2025, 02:27 PM)
Also, the way WHO reacts to it is completely in reverse, should have done early lockdown on ground zero, block air flights, and mandatory masking, to reduce exposure and the spreading.

Instead, they do the complete opposite, they call country that block China travelers from entering their country as xenophobic, they say mask is useless, and lockdown is useless.

But after the whole world is infected, then they reverse all their initial ruling, mandatory block traveling, mandatory masking, and mandatory lockdown.

If you ask me, WHO has completely failed at their job from the very beginning.

Mask is important if you don't have immunity yet, it gives your body ample time to troubleshoot the virus before it replicate too much and impairs the lung, by reducing exposure, your body has more time to troubleshoot the new pathogens and build immunity safely.

From the start I wear mask already, when they say it is useless to wear it, but I stop wearing mask much earlier too, when it is still mandatory to wear it.
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Issue is there are different people with different opinions on lockdown etc

Initially I think it seems like just a small flu, minimal deaths

Even influenza season, old people die. So why bother lockdown then. So many were against it. Tun was against it

But then ICU all around the world got overloaded by COVID patients because the infection is so rapid, with no vaccine available. So they decided to lockdown otherwise you would have patients dying from lack of ICU support.

Even in hindsight of this, many people still object to lockdown. People rather ICU overload and let people die (mostly old people, some rare young ones), because they are not effected by it.

End of the day, people want to see what they want to see.

That's just how I remember the rough timeline.

Hindsight 2020, but is it really 2020 tho maybe with thick shade of sunnies

This post has been edited by sakuraboo: May 25 2025, 03:53 PM
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post May 25 2025, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 03:53 PM)
Issue is there are different people with different opinions on lockdown etc

Initially I think it seems like just a small flu, minimal deaths

Even influenza season, old people die. So why bother lockdown then. So many were against it. Tun was against it

But then ICU all around the world got overloaded by COVID patients because the infection is so rapid, with no vaccine available. So they decided to lockdown otherwise you would have patients dying from lack of ICU support.

Even in hindsight of this, many people still object to lockdown. People rather ICU overload and let people die (mostly old people, some rare young ones), because they are not effected by it.

End of the day, people want to see what they want to see.

That's just how I remember the rough timeline.

Hindsight 2020, but is it really 2020 tho maybe with thick shade of sunnies
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I still remember, the first lockdown were supposed to be 2 WEEKS ONLY, to REDUCE THE CURVE, to give hospital time to adjust from the massive hysteria.

But suddenly, they keep shifting the goal post for 2 years even after the majority 95% already coerced into taking the first two doses, and still they tried to shift the goal post for the next 3rd and 4th dose until people get mad with their constant lies.

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post May 25 2025, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 25 2025, 03:59 PM)
I still remember, the first lockdown were supposed to be 2 WEEKS ONLY, to REDUCE THE CURVE, to give hospital time to adjust from the massive hysteria.

But suddenly, they keep shifting the goal post for 2 years even after the majority 95% already coerced into taken the two first doses, but still they shift the goal post under 3rd/4th dose.
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Yeah it's in part to flatten the curve

The 3rd and 4th was way past though

Goal post moved because although there is reduction of people getting severe COVID and deaths post vaccine, there's still people dying from COVID

And after opening up, the wave comes from the bigger number of people infected hence the number, despite vaccination

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I don't have the exact figures, but often times infection proportion is log scale but ICU sites remain a fixed figure, at most increase linear at best. Even if it's 0.1% from 1%, we're still looking at log scale tens of times, and just by tipping 2 additional from baseline, basically means ICU overloaded

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post May 25 2025, 04:07 PM

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we cant pinpoint the actual reason or we are forbidden to pinpoint that reason aa?
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post May 25 2025, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 04:05 PM)
Yeah it's in part to flatten the curve

The 3rd and 4th was way past though

Goal post moved because although there is reduction of people getting severe COVID and deaths post vaccine, there's still people dying from COVID

And after opening up, the wave comes from the bigger number of people infected hence the number, despite vaccination
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So the question lies why people keep getting sick despite 95% intake of two dose experimental vaccine.

And the constant lying:
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post May 25 2025, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 03:53 PM)
Issue is there are different people with different opinions on lockdown etc

Initially I think it seems like just a small flu, minimal deaths

Even influenza season, old people die. So why bother lockdown then. So many were against it. Tun was against it

But then ICU all around the world got overloaded by COVID patients because the infection is so rapid, with no vaccine available. So they decided to lockdown otherwise you would have patients dying from lack of ICU support.

Even in hindsight of this, many people still object to lockdown. People rather ICU overload and let people die (mostly old people, some rare young ones), because they are not effected by it.

End of the day, people want to see what they want to see.

That's just how I remember the rough timeline.

Hindsight 2020, but is it really 2020 tho maybe with thick shade of sunnies
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The current NIH director (Jay Bhattacharya) proposed targeted lockdown - protect old people and people comorbidities, everyone else allowed to live like normal with some social distancing measures.

https://gbdeclaration.org/
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post May 25 2025, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(smsid @ May 25 2025, 04:10 PM)
So the question lies why people keep getting sick despite 95% intake of two dose experimental vaccine.

And the constant lying:
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Because you forgot the virus mutated? Viruses mutate all the time even when nobody in the news detected a new strain.

Additionally, if you read my first post to the thread, if you understood the 2nd part, the answer is there.

That's a neutral answer to both party that supports vaccine and also against vaccine.

The spike protein is integral to the immune response in both normal immune response and vaccinated response. People have been getting pericarditis, blood clots, stroke even when the vaccine was not available.

But somehow the spike protein is suspected to be also the reason why vaccinated patients might be increased risk of developing similar inflammatory immune responses, assuming they didn't get COVID at all. But this only works if we can 100% confirm they haven't been infected by COVID, when COVID can be asymptomatic, and has virtually infected everyone.

I think the short and long of this, people will continuing debating, then plot twist, COVID is oncogenic because it's common in viruses to alter DNA etc etc. Then suddenly one narrative change from one point to another, should have vaccine, should have not vaccine. Blah blah blah. Nobody really knows for sure.
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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 12:59 PM)
Idk stopped at the point where they said the heart attacks are caused by a heart condition, eg cardiac arrest and heart failure

They don't know what's the actual cause it seems
I was reading this article because I got a sore tooth, it says dental issues like dental caries can predispose to coronary artery issues

Pretty wild stuff
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Apparently, is true.. especially for plaque when enter blood stream.. will cause build up in artery
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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ May 25 2025, 04:20 PM)
Because you forgot the virus mutated? Viruses mutate all the time even when nobody in the news detected a new strain.

Additionally, if you read my first post to the thread, if you understood the 2nd part, the answer is there.

That's a neutral answer to both party that supports vaccine and also against vaccine.

The spike protein is integral to the immune response in both normal immune response and vaccinated response. People have been getting pericarditis, blood clots, stroke even when the vaccine was not available.

But somehow the spike protein is suspected to be also the reason why vaccinated patients might be increased risk of developing similar inflammatory immune responses, assuming they didn't get COVID at all. But this only works if we can 100% confirm they haven't been infected by COVID, when COVID can be asymptomatic, and has virtually infected everyone.

I think the short and long of this, people will continuing debating, then plot twist, COVID is oncogenic because it's common in viruses to alter DNA etc etc. Then suddenly one narrative change from one point to another, should have vaccine, should have not vaccine. Blah blah blah. Nobody really knows for sure.
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I take zero experimental vaccine, totally fine all the time, all this mutation nonsense doesn't make me sick.

And my privilege and freedom were taken away from me because you sheeps keep getting sick.

Why must I suffer because your vaccine keep failing?

You taken your damn vaccine, you should be fine right?

Oh yeah I forgot, they change the definition of "vaccine" few years ago, how convenient.

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