How PAK outdated jet fighter win IAF up to date state of art jet fighter.


interesting case study.

look like all shiok sendiri strategy banging wall already.


PAK used.

HQ-9 to lock target IAF Rafale make Rafale keep maneuver to avoid HQ-9.
then PAK Early warning aircraft (300km range) locked the location and maneuver pattern of the Rafale.

PAK J-10C release the PL-15E (150km range) and turn back.
the early warning aircraft keep update the PL-15E IAF Rafale flight pattern, and the PL-15E used active radar system to keep track the Rafale.
PL-15E speed is above mach 5, virtually the Rafale no way to escape, sure kena.




the PL-15E is not chasing from behind, but direct front attack to the Rafale,.

zero dog fight,
as 2025, now all fighting with super long range missile,
who see who first will win

This post has been edited by angelgemini: May 11 2025, 06:08 PM

Correction

Jeet fighter running on biogas and cow piss

is really outdated,
as china going to retiring them soon, lol

China low specs weaponry /= outdated

IAF pilot is extremely well trained, not joke.

This TV channel is pro-CCP.

Nowadays no more jet fighter dog fights like in Top Gun movie. The jet that fire the air to air missiles doesn’t even see the opponent visually.

It’s combination of radar locking system, the plane merely fire the air to air missile locked on by other radar system which was communicated to the jet. The jet on its own doesn’t have the power to run such long range radar.

is a Taiwanese pro KMT channel.


some of the presenter is taiwan military ex general level of people.

Palki Sharma triggered

hear that the china system don;t need jet fighter to lock.

is the Early warning plane and ground defense system to lock.
then will send signal to jet fighter to release the missile.

the is the Early warning plane that keep update the missile to hit target,


so jet fighter now like release and run away.

India is like you bought multiple devices that run on different system. Your phone is iOS, your tablet Android, your smart watch Huawei…. All no synergy.

Pakistan mostly all PRC products, they work in synergy as a coherent system. Hence they can fire ultra long range air to air missiles even though the enemy is beyond the plane radar detection.

yeah, this is the reason PAK 2 IAF 0


this will change the military sell

if now u as a country, which u going to buy?

USA will not sell you whole system except u from NATO.

but f35 still safe due to its stealth? last i read f35 can be detected but not tracked (path update).

This post has been edited by ipohps3: May 11 2025, 06:25 PM

lots of Israel made drones of india were shot down by China made anti-drone laser weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hunter_(laser_weapon)

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 11 2025, 06:28 PM

China has Anti-stealth radars . China satellites can detect stealth jets too.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202411/1322919.shtml

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 11 2025, 06:35 PM

interesting if one day got chance to see f35 kena shot down.

Lol
Nowadays must be either pro or anti
Must be wumao or amdk
Cannot be in-between?

unknown yet, could be yes or no ,

they hard to be in both side, so can i say 3rd side? lol

KMT cannot pro CCP
KMT cannot pro AMDK

Give an idiot driver a Volvo XC90 with all the safety features she will still crash it into KFC

India failed is because of strategy

Malaysia should be really worried

Our air force is rojak mix of russian us and euro plus soon korean tech

CTi News is pro Beijing taiwanese news

Sooner DPP supporkers will also have a taste of Chiense Military

I've been wanting to follow this but too busy with mountain of work haih

Can someone summarise if attack by PAK was like a "sucker punch" or was it known that both countries have already started air to air combat?

Oh yeah, i don't hear anything on wion, if it's china plane get destroyed, I'm sure gonna be a lot of news

IAF needs to shoot down PAK jets to help MODI claim victory. unsuccessful so far.

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 11 2025, 08:30 PM

KMT is pro US too. But less pro US than DPP.

It's like Hong Kong few years ago dy
Everyone must choose team yellow or team blue.
Cannot in between

wow....this is mind blowing. somemore he said the technology is old and on the way to retire.

the indian pilot claimed the rafale did not show any warnings before it was hit by pl-15 .

Pakistan use Saab 2000 erieye for their AWACS. According to your own description of their kill chain the AWACS is the most importance part.

J10C PK F35 will happen in Arab nations. china will instruct how to kill F35 with J10C .

PAK uses China AWACS . the china defense companies use the same API.

India actually had plans to send army to fight pakistan, a major war. China actually have H-6 with nukes ready to bomb india if India went in, that is real, H-6 fleet is still in Xinjiang just incase things still escalates further.

This post has been edited by Avex: May 11 2025, 11:11 PM

yes from the intercept bharat pilot audio
wingman gone already also dunno, scary piece of technology the PL-15

not sure which is true lol

i saw both news on Europe AWACS and China AWACS being used by Pak lol

this usually are signs heavy EW are in place eh? the targeted plane doesnt know its being locked on at all

most people dont understand how big advantage it is when you have access to EW and ISR systems. its exactly why the Middle Eastern country pilots back then were completely destroyed without a chance when their planes encountered USA/Israel fighters. this what makes BVR missiles extremely potent and accurate

however when both sides EW are heavy at work, the advantages are nullified. BVR missile becomes useless due to heavy jamming and this is where the pilot's skill and plane's maneuverability comes into play when entering combat within LOS range (assuming they didnt retreat)

theres a reason Russian air force still heavily adopt high maneuverability as mandatory requirement in their combat planes

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/pakistan...-aewc-aircraft/



(DEFENCE SECURITY ASIA) — Pakistan has quietly added another Saab 2000 “Erieye” Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEWC) aircraft, bringing the total number of Swedish-made AEWC aircraft owned by Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to nine currently.

According to local media reports, the latest Saab 2000 Erieye AEWC aircraft has been commissioned into the Pakistan Air Force along with several other assets, including recently acquired J-10C fighter jets and C-130H aircraft.

Pakistan initially ordered six Saab 2000 Erieye AEWC aircraft in 2006 but later reduced the order to four following a devastating earthquake in the country.

In 2012, three out of the four AEWC aircraft suffered damage after being attacked by terrorists at the Minhas Air Base, with one of them being decommissioned due to severe damage.

The Pakistan Air Force repaired two of the damaged Saab 2000 Erieye AEWC aircraft in 2015 and 2016.

The Saab 2000 Erieye AEWC aircraft owned by Pakistan is equipped with an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system, providing it with the capability to detect objects at a range of up to 450 km.

Through data-link, all information captured by the sensors on the AEWC aircraft can be shared with air assets belonging to Thailand and friendly nations, aiding in addressing various potential threats.

In comparison to its counterpart, India, the Pakistan Air Force’s capability in the number of AEWC aircraft far surpasses that of the Indian Air Force.

Currently, the Indian Air Force only possesses three IL-76 Phalcon AEWC aircraft equipped with Israeli radar and components, and two “NETRA” AEWC aircraft developed by its own defense industry.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: May 11 2025, 11:55 PM

India's military got exposed like Russia, paper tigers

very true, not only Malaysia, many country also which don't have own military system


they is pro KMT, how to pro beijing?



2025, no more dog fight, all about BVR Missile. so pilot skill is not so important anymore, jet fight become like cargo postman already.

complicated

cause the jet fighter warning is locked by the HQ-9 and trying to avoid from it, who know the HQ-9 never shoot but is PL-15 which far far away come at Mach 5 speed.

yup, but must be sync,
IAF EW is not link with S400 and Rafale, all depend on manually sync it which slowpoke max.

complete system is all auto sync and attack.

What PAK using is previous outdated China version.

The interesting part will be between NATO system vs China system. who more advance.

not really, is all about IAF is still in WW2 mindset of war, which China, NATO, USA, Russia already moved to news type of warfare.

Russia used their tank, that why failed,

Correct..ayam surprised looking at yindia. Thought all powderful ready to attack pakis.

Looks like pakis has better system. Memalukan nama yindia. Bjp and their planning

wait so conclusion, bharat lost this war? what about the news saying xyz airbase destroyed as shown by china satelite pictures

Bharat says ops is still not ended and will react if paki hit again.

But looks like they kenot accept defeat lol


China 1 vs Bharat -1

PAK Saab AWAC are mean to work with PAK F16, PAK J10C and JF17 jet are work with ZDK-03 AWAC which is import from china too.

Bharat people where got accept defeat one even if they are defeated. These people will just spin news and lie that they won. Shithole people are like that. 😅

They claimed that they never lost any jet. All of these are fake news.

saw this in a reply

the US may not even let F16s of Taiwan to fight against china 's jets during future conflicts . everyone expects disastrous results of F16s. it will be a big blow to the US defense industry.

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 12 2025, 09:28 AM

the drone loss of india is amazing .

lots of Israel made drones of india were shot down by China made anti-drone laser weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hunter_(laser_weapon)

this losses tomato sos is from where?

Too much bollywood? Jai Hind!

India's Rafale stopped the PL15 BVR successfully and destroyed the missile head on 💪🏻

india pilot are well trained, you have to know that india is a country with population of 1.4b people. they can definitely access more talent among its people, and france had been carrying out training indian with rafale since 2019, with the first delivery of rafale since 2019

pakistan first delivery of J10 is 2022. definitely the indian are more familiar with the rafale than pakistan to the J10

This post has been edited by brian81st: May 12 2025, 09:59 AM

Chinese Aircraft designed post the 2010s are top class and especially those designed and modified post 2018

The narrative of their being Junk is a carefully orchestrated one by the West but the individual air forces and armies regard Chinese weaponry as a significant threat

The Chinese like it that way

It fits with their Sun Tzus doctrine of Surprise your enemy and Let the enemy underestimate you

not really. the only active aggressor are the ooo oooo aaaa aaaa from those sabah -philipine islands and of course sinkie will absolutely pull a paki on all our jets but thats not gonna happen.

Probably still trying to say they won but deep inside

After seeing india getting shot down, nah

Not the first time lol. Mostly noobs

This post has been edited by RT8081: May 12 2025, 10:42 AM

yes IAF operating in heavy EW airspace like that day rafales kena jammed and grounded
surely the PAF is under heavy EW but they got the PL-15 with AESA radar as seeker, highly resistant to enemy jamming
and hardly ping the opponent's aircraft warning system

that's why US AMRAAM is obsolete now and develop the AIM-260 with the same specs as PL-15
also the Meteor missile too, also want to upgrade with AESA seeker

one thing difference among these missiles is the PL-15 are combat proven and cost effective

yeah exactly, and what makes it even more funny is that US has the AIM-174B or incoming AIM-260 which are classified as "very long range at over 200km", the PL15 and R37 are like reaching 400-500km ranges

Good training dog fighting, still need to train more on how to evade radar guided AAMs.. Usually the special forces will take the radars out first if they want to fly in unmolested.

* Rafale is an excellent multi role fighter compared to Paki’s F-16s or anything Rmaf has.

india jet are not flying in pakistan airspace, they were flying at india airspace.

the reality , dog fight = WW2 thing.
2025, all about BVR and drone attack.

so pilot skill look like less important already, all about AI and system link.

rafale's maker game over. can't make gen 5 stealth jet . inferior radar in comparsion with J10C . The worst part is no datalink with other platforms including satelites .the US and China have datalink with other platforms . China was battle tested. don't know whether the US's datalink can work or not. the US's GPS were jammed by russian and china before. nobody has been able to jam BEIDOU so far.

PL-15 was already known in 2011 . the US's counterpart namely AIM 260 is still in testing phase . the US's missile tech has long way to go.

whoever wants complete system that can have datalink with platforms only have two options. China's or the US's . no more rojak .China's was battle tested.

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 13 2025, 09:57 AM

cant evade when the pilots didnt know what hit them
like the bharat pilots Godzilla don't even realize his wingman was shot down

actually USA Link-22 is well used by NATO country, u non NATO, dun hope can have it.

i believe Rafale is linked to Link-22??? as part of the NATO system.

Taiwan only manage to get Link-16 from USA, as non NATO country.

only the radars of China's jets can scan almost 360 degree and scan above and below the jets . China's radar can detect the enemies's jets from behind them from a long distance . China's radar can scan jets at a higher altitude and scan weapons used on the ground.

the radars of the US's and Rafale's jets can scan 180 degree .give or take. anything above or below the jet . hopeless.

PL-15 is designed to hit the enemy's jets from above . that is why Rafale's radar could not detect anything.even F35 will face the fate of Rafale.

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 13 2025, 10:41 AM

the J-10CE don't have so powerful radar, the scanning is from the EW plane and HQ radar.
J-10CE just a PL-15 launch pad only, lol

Jibai ts dont misled sohai reader can or not. Later they easy terpesong dengan what they read on internet.

Puki detection aircraft range is 400km, PL-15 missile range is 200km.(stage 1 and stage 2 propulsion 150km, glide without propulsion is 50km, total 200km)

Dont ask how i know.

True storeyz.

ur info is half true,
China have send 100 units of PL-15 (not the PL-15E) to PAK.

i hope u know what the different between PL-15 and PL-15E right?

A few additional factors.

Pakistan can afford to lose JF-17s. They locally produce it so any shoot downs can be rebuild locally.
Pakistani F-16s are very, very old. Their 1st was delivered in 1982 (ie 43 years old). These will need to be replaced soon (likely J-35 or J10Cs).
India surprisingly did not claim any J-10C shootdowns.

India can't rebuild any plane in their arsenal as none are produced except Tejas (which did not participate in the recent imbroglio).

Tejas is built to 1985 requirements but even then received waivers for many of those requirements. it will be far inferior to the Rafale. It will also be limited to the missiles available. France has rejected integrating the Meteor missile into any other aircraft than Rafale.

For a country with GDP 10x neighbour, their air force has been embarassing.

actually IAF well equipped with military weapon, all also state of art hardware.

the problem is the software only
in dog fight, Fafale > J-10CE few street away.
Totally not in same league.

but but but, all this about WW2 mindset.

2025 warfare is totally different game.
which China mastered it and used PAK to test it.

NATO also understand it, but rest of the world not, and still stupidly been idiot by NATO country to buy their weapon and use like WW2.

So u say im wrong about PL-15’s range or what? Im confused.

The e stands for export. Inferior tech compared to what the PL-15 china uses. This is what i usually tell sohais or otak udangs to shut them up cox no point arguing with stupid.

The e has foldable wings, its actually a gimmick by china weapons manufacturer to sell it to Puki as it can hold 6 payload under the cockpit (with foldable wings) instead of 4 for the J10c.

True syoreyz.

IAF is extremely well trained..... Israeli Air Force ... owai

PL-15E = export version, which have max 200km range.

what PAK using now is PL-15 which have 400km range max.

China send 100 x PL-15 to PAK for this war.

LMAO son.

Ok im done talking with idiots.

look like you can't accept fact and labeling people idiot.

I think this was taken at the Zhuhai 2021 airshow. The range of the PL15E is clearly stated.

There is no evidence of any PL-15 used by Pakistan. All missile fragments with serials picked up by India all indicated PL-15E only. However, I'm guessing missile shipments to Pakistan did occur prior to the event since this was widely published.

India has a large air force but a huge chunk is obsolete or not effective.

syukur MY-SG dekat jer... no need radar, mata pun nampak

Already say, PAK is using PL-15 and not PL-15E,


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/indo-pak-tens...press-delivery/

According to ClashReport, which extensively reports on defense and has nearly 500,000 followers, claims that the PL-15 missiles seen on the PAF aircraft were drawn from the internal stocks of China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), rather than the export-variant PL-15E.

How Pakistan’s PL-15 Missiles Could Neutralize India's Rafale Jets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz864lYk9vI

this guy is spooky . he predicted everything accurately .if MODI watched it earlier , he won't dare to wage the war.

alot of these are still on speculation le, we cannot/have no way to confirm either side of the story. but having PL-15E is the most conclusive since this is confirmed in news long time ago that China is supplying Pakistan with those

if you ask me, the issue seems mostly on IAF equipment than their incompetence. IAF have been jumbling up a mix of Russian, Israeli, French equipment. they definitely will have compatibility issues jumbling up so many types of hardware/software from different manufacturers

Pakistan OTOH was reported to use J-10C + Chinese AWACS + Chinese missiles together which are extremely compatible. if this was F16 + chinese radars + other etc, it definitely will cause issues too

in terms how the paki side handled the media and news they totally win this time with their press conference and media team
not sure how even india side handled the news, even rafale company already admitted at least one of their jets got shot down, and india still keeping silent

Kek..biasala...
Their ego.higher than mount everest...
Thinking they can beat with their Rafale...
Kek

seems malaysian too Incfluenced by those propaganda by Pakistan, china and India

yeah,
all the hardware is api linked to work as 1.

IAF need to manually human link them as 1, that why is not effective.

The recent events between Pakistan and India should be no surprise given -

1 - In 2024 CN trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated UK trained Qatar Typhoons 9-0 in both BVR and WVR in joint aerial exercise Zilzal-II in Qatar.

2 - Likewise CN Pakistani JF17 easily dominated US trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and WVR at the same meet.

3 - The Typhoon had already scored a win over the famed F22 in WVR in a previous joint aerial exercise. The US admitted the F22's advantage over the Typhoon was in BVR and at WVR the Typhoon had the advantage.

4 - Despite the Typhoon's credentials at Zilzal-II the J10C won 4-0 BVR and 5-0 WVR over the Qatar Typhoons who were trained by the legendary RAF, considered by many in the industry as the best pilots in the world.

5 - According to the West the Typhoon is clearly superior over the Rafale. It should be no surprise that the J10C took down the Rafale.

6- The J10C and JF17 has far superior radar compared to the Typhoon, Rafale and even the F35. The F35, Typhoon and Rafale uses old GaS radar. J10C and JF17 uses GaN radar. GaN is around 5 to 8 times more power dense, 30% more energy efficient than GaS and has high electron mobility which means it can amplify signals much greater.

copied exactly from one of commentators on youtube.

This post has been edited by issac99289928: May 14 2025, 09:42 AM

Pakistan just need to fly acah acah then eat kuaci

Estimated Total Losses of Indian aircraft (1973–2023):

Over 500 military aircraft (Indian Air Force + Navy) have been lost in the last 50 years.

~70% of losses are attributed to accidents (mechanical failures, human error, or training mishaps).

KEK

Sometimes ayam.wonder if they are malaysian or rakyat pakistani, bharat or prc.

the tw yu beichen reli komedi sial. we need him in our parliment for the fun of it.

A lot of misinfo posted on both sides.

All pictures of PL-15E missiles all start with P15E. How would an Indian newspaper know what the Chinese had delivered to Pakistan?

Example:


There is zero evidence of any other variant other than PL-15E used by Pakistan.

Why would Typhoon be better than Rafale? Its all marketing talk. If one looks at specs, Rafale has precious little advantage over F-16 or the Typhoon, especially as the Rafale has a smaller nose cone. The French were very late in the game with AESA radar (having lost the fighter comp in Singapore in 2005 for exactly the reason that the F-15SG had one, whereas the Rafale didn't). The Indians fell for the marketing talk.