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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Apr 28 2025, 03:12 PM) .Universiti Malaya = "ma da swear" in Mandarin Pinyin = 马大学 . JohnL77 liked this post
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Apr 29 2025, 02:51 AM) All the best to Malaysian businesses and their workers .I really hope we survive and the people in power protect the local industries The lady in the OP's video is probably Falungong spreading FUD to try to overthrow the CCP government in China. For Malaysia, in general, more tourists, more foreign students, more FDI, more exports, more etc are good for Malaysia's economy, be it from CCP China or USA or Yemen. ....... If there are CCP China tourists working illegally in Malaysia, eg professional wedding photographers/videographers, the local Malaysian victims should just report them to the Immigration Department. ....... Of course, the Immigration Dept should also do enforcement operations regularly as a deterrence. There may be special exceptions, eg the Malaysian government allowing CCP China's Geely to hire Chinese expert workers in Proton, whose expertise is not available in Malaysia, ... the government condoning the hiring of very cheap Indonesian illegal construction/renovation or manual workers, whose low pay, dirty work and long working hours are not accepted by many local Malaysian manual workers, etc, eg the locals prefer to be delivery riders or ehailing drivers. . |
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QUOTE(issac99289928 @ Apr 29 2025, 05:38 AM) QUOTE(samftrmd @ Apr 29 2025, 09:01 AM) There is no real communist country. Just like certain religion in Malaysia, it's been used to fool the people. .Politically, CCP China is a communist country, eg ....... 1. no free and fair direct elections for the people to choose their political leaders, 2. one-party rule = no opposition party for check-and-balance or as an alternate choice for government, 3. authoritarianism or totalitarism = a repressive and brainwashing communist government, eg all companies, their CEOs and even celebrities in China have to toe the CCP line or else they would be "disappeared" from the industry/economy, 4. no freedom of speech or of religion or to peaceful protests/complaints = the people have been brainwashed by the controlled or censored mass-media news/socmed to be patriotic to the CCP/China, 5. etc. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 29 2025, 04:00 PM |
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 3 2025, 08:17 PM) They didn't declare they are "not communist", but as socialist. Words from the Emperor himself. .Also can be clearly seen in how they govern themselves, policies enacted, no state owned corporations etc.... America also calls itself a democracy, when it's quite clear to everyone else that it's more like a Plutocracy. Fyi, Kim Jong Un is the self-proclaimed "democratic" leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or DPRK, who has been elected directly by the people in free and fair elections every 4 years, like in USA and Malaysia. *sic* . COOLPINK liked this post
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025, 07:08 AM) But we're all smart enough to actually SEE how North Korea is not democratic, right? Their leadership is passed down father to son etc... that's called using our brains to make an educated judgement, that Korea is NOT a democracy even IF they call themselves a democracy. Congratulations on unlocking new ability!! .Now try using new capability with China still calling itself the CPC, but somehow allowing religious freedom, gay clubs, millionaires, billionaires, poweful and trailbalzing Huawei being owned not by the CPC but by its employees (99% employees, 1% founder) and Xi having to listen to the NPC on an annual basis (I thought dictators no need to listen, or even pretend to listen, to peasants??) . Fuck all that actual shit, they still communist cos they didn't change their name. Communists BAD -ADMK's. Fyi, ....... Gemini AI Overview The CCP exerts significant control over the National People's Congress (NPC) through a combination of nomination and election processes, ensuring that its members are largely CCP members and that the NPC largely rubber-stamps decisions made by the CCP. = the NPC consists of 3,000 members with only a handful of non-influential or puppet members representing minorities. Gemini AI Overview While the Chinese constitution guarantees freedom of religious belief, in practice, religious freedom is significantly restricted and not fully protected. The government limits religious practice to what it considers "normal" and requires religious institutions to uphold the Chinese Communist Party's leadership and promote "sinicization" of religion. This has led to persecution and restrictions on certain religious groups, particularly Christianity, Islam, and Tibetan Buddhism. = typical bait-and-switch scam tactics by CCP China to "want face" in the international stage = macam CCP China's two-faced (变脸) face-changing shows. ....... In effect, you and other wumaos got politically scammed or brainwashed by CCP China. AFAIK, CCP China just see their people, workers, billionaires, CEOs, Huawei, BYD, Comac, etc as tools to be controlled/manipulated to accomplish their evil communist objectives, eg to dethrone democratic USA as the world superpower by hook and by crook. . |
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QUOTE(MGM @ May 4 2025, 07:55 AM) Whatever political system u guys want to call China, it is also this system that allows them to achieve this greatness within 1 generation. While the others r being fuxk by big bully US, only CHINA dares US n challenge them. Others r raped n still need to run to them n beg. .Who is the BIG bully in the South China Sea.? . |
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QUOTE(loserguy @ May 4 2025, 10:08 AM) It is not a democracy. But Trump just showcased the folly of the "superior" Murican democratic system to the world. A determined president holds a lot of power. Until now it remains to be seen which is better: .a dictator, or an out of control, democratically elected president ruling via executive decree Or are they the same? If butthurt, tell Malaysian immigration lor Hasn't Trump's Executive Orders got challenged in court.? If Trump is worse and out of control, it will only be for 4 years until a new President gets voted by the American people in 2028. Not so if President-for-life Xi Jinping is worse and out of control. Are they the same.? . |
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QUOTE(loserguy @ May 4 2025, 12:29 PM) Mamak 22 years, we also rilek je. We even re-elected the guy (via his party at that time)! So what is 13 years lol? Xi is 71, Trump is 78. Most likely there will not be Trump 3.0, Biden was 81 when Trump bullied him off the seat. Somebody else will bully Trump at that time Hopefully QUOTE(loserguy @ May 4 2025, 12:44 PM) Kek Indian vote also save BN before. Luckily ayam DAP guy since zaman LKS. Apples and oranges, ie Malaysian politics is race-baed, esp in Semenanjung and Mahathir/UMNO was then very popular among the Malays for fighting for Malay interests.QUOTE Pros and cons la. Not all good, not all bad. In one or two generations, from a very poor country to the only country with the balls to stand up to Trump's bullying. That is admirable. CCP China got rich after USA allowed it to join the WTO in 2003, by largely cheating on its commitments to USA, by exploiting its huge pool of "slave workers", stealing technology, forced technology transfer imposed on FDI, hacking foreign companies, selling copied/pirated Fake products, scamming the world with its EVs, etc. Is that admirable.? .......QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 13 2024, 03:18 PM) . https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109332498Fyi, since 1999, CCP China has cheated it's way in world trade to become an economic superpower. ....... https://itif.org/publications/2021/07/26/fa...tments-and-its/ - False Promises II: The Continuing Gap Between China’s WTO Commitments and Its Practices By Stephen Ezell - July 26, 2021 Nearly 20 years after joining the World Trade Organization, China remains woefully short of meeting a broad range of commitments and responsibilities, to the detriment of both its trading partners and the international economic system. KEY TAKEAWAYS - China’s state-led economic model, driven heavily by innovation-mercantilist practices, stands at odds with the foundational WTO principles of pursuing market-oriented policies while providing non-discrimination, national treatment, and reciprocity. - China has failed to meet numerous WTO commitments on issues such as industrial subsidization, protection of foreign intellectual property, forcing joint ventures and technology transfer, and providing market access to services industries. - China’s behavior toward the WTO and its trading partners is that of a nation that knew what it had to promise to enter the organization, but its subsequent actions have demonstrated it never intended to keep those promises. - Decades of gaming the global trading system and failing to meet WTO commitments have enabled China to accumulate tremendous trade surpluses and foreign currency reserves, which it uses to pursue domestic and foreign policy objectives. - It is time for like-minded nations to join together to forcefully insist that China come into full and immediate compliance with all its WTO commitments and more broadly to contest China’s innovation-mercantilist strategies. ... . Remember, evil-gotten riches (eg billionaires) often do not last >3 generations, ie the grandchildren and great-grandchildren will lose it all, eg the Kennedy Curse. . . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 4 2025, 02:40 PM samftrmd liked this post
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QUOTE(loserguy @ May 4 2025, 02:28 PM) But is Xi out of control? Still a round and fuzzy friend after 12 years. In trying to repair the US economy wrt trade deficits and CCP China's unfair trade practices, Trump is just fine-tuning his recent Tariffs policy, not heel-turn or U-Turn.We only had 100 days of Trump 2.0 before he executed a heel turn. Now he is this crazy orange guy threatening an island of penguins. No they are not the same. . Let's wait-and-see until 2028 who will come out worse in the US-China trade war. . |
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025, 03:10 PM) Need to use AI to argue for you? Everything your precious Gemini AI said has no basis, just fact-less accusations. Where's the example of "The government limits religious practice to what it considers "normal" and requires religious institutions to uphold the Chinese Communist Party's leadership and promote "sinicization" of religion. This has led to persecution and restrictions on certain religious groups, particularly Christianity, Islam, and Tibetan Buddhism. " What limits? What's normal as China defines? Any examples or sources? Or just another trust-me-bro? What religious persecution and restrictions you referring to? Don't conflate anti-extremism with anti-religion, but I'm sure you'll use the anti- terrorism rules previously enforced in Xinjiang to prove "China hates Muslims". You're all bloody transparent. Guantanamo is freedom and democracy, reeducation is anti-Islam, amirite? Fyi, ....... Gemini AI Overview The Three-Self Patriotic Movement (TSPM) is the government-sanctioned and officially recognized organization for Protestant Christianity in mainland China. It aims to integrate Christianity with Chinese society and reduce foreign influence on the church. The TSPM and its affiliated China Christian Council (CCC) form the state-sanctioned Protestant church, overseen by the United Front Work Department (UFWD) of the Chinese Communist Party. https://www.gotquestions.org/Three-Self-Church.html - What is the Three-Self Church? - 20 Jan 2025 The Chinese Communist Party has routinely suppressed the Christian faith. Despite this, Christianity has grown rapidly in China over the last century. One prominent expression of this growth is the Three-Self Church. Also called the Three-Self Patriotic Movement, it is the state supervisory body of the Protestant church in China. The movement promotes three core values: self-governance, self-support, and self-propagation. The Three-Self Church is the “registered” church in China, operating with the sanction of the Chinese Communist Party. It represents a unique approach to Christianity in China, in contrast to the independent house-church movement. While house churches often teach with greater boldness, they face significant risks, including government raids and the imprisonment of leaders. By comparison, the Three-Self Church operates under government restrictions, avoiding a lot of the persecution house churches endure. However, this compliance has a cost—fewer opportunities to proclaim the whole counsel of God (cf. Acts 20:27). The Three-Self Church operates within the legal restrictions imposed by the Chinese government. Its values emphasize “self,” not in relation to Western individualism, but as an organizational strategy. This approach consists of Chinese people governing, supporting, and spreading Christianity in the country. The Three-Self Church intends to show the communist party that Christianity is for every culture, not just the West. It also counters claims that foreign powers are orchestrating a takeover of Chinese religion and culture. ... = the Three-Self Patriotic Church is a stringed-puppet Church controlled by Master CCP macam Wayang Kulit. . QUOTE China (and everyone else, except maybe Israel) couldn't care less about toppling America. All of America's problems recently are all self-owns... deindustrialing themselves to China, dedollarising the world by confiscating Russia's foreign reserve, starting wars they couldn't afford - on behalf of the Military Industrial Complex, seling too much Treasuries to China and then antagonising them (kinda like slapping a dog which has your testicles in its jaws), tarrifing your biggest supplier without thinking where to 2nd source, closing off the biggest market (China) to your only remaining semiconductor manufacturing powerhouse (Intel) thereby causing them to lose so much money that they can't stop downsizing.... then having to beg TSMC to build fabs and train dumb, work-life-balance-comes-first Americans on how to build chips. .China is sitting on the sidelines, not knowing whether to laugh or cry, as they watch America repeatedly shoots itself in both feet while yelling threats at bystanders walking by minding their own business. So, why wumaos often post "Chainah Numbawan".? Gemini AI Overview Yes, China is widely perceived as actively seeking to become a global superpower, potentially replacing the United States in that role. This is evidenced by its rapid economic growth, military advancements, and increasing global influence. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 4 2025, 03:41 PM |
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QUOTE((pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025 @ 03:10 PM) Need to use AI to argue for you? Everything your precious Gemini AI said has no basis, just fact-less accusations. Where's the example of "The government limits religious practice to what it considers "normal" and requires religious institutions to uphold the Chinese Communist Party's leadership and promote "sinicization" of religion. This has led to persecution and restrictions on certain religious groups, particularly Christianity, Islam, and Tibetan Buddhism. " What limits? What's normal as China defines? Any examples or sources? Or just another trust-me-bro? What religious persecution and restrictions you referring to? ... QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025, 05:47 PM) Wow, more AI bull crap about some obscure Church in China somehow representing all religions in China. Every sentence pulled out from ass with nary a reliable source from official documents or quotes. .Yes, Chainah is seeking to destroy America (which it calls the beautiful country, and is/was its biggest trading partner until it suddenly felt threatened by a rising China) because it DARED TO become rich and friendly with more and more countries. It was supposed to continue using bi-planes and wooden sampans as its military even as America ramped up aggression towards it, calling it the "The number 1 threat to America"... because any attempt to modernise means it wants to kill the US President. You have a demented looney toon as an AI. That's all I can say. And as usual, I've NO BLOODY IDEA what point you're trying to make again, with your mish-mash bloody mess of a convoluted copypasta post. Perhaps try articulating your point after posting your multicoloured, multi- highlighted, multi- sized paragraphs of words... cos no one knows what point you're trying to put forward. Please prove that Gemini AI is spewing bull crap above, eg "legal" Christian Churches do not need to be sanctioned or controlled by the CCP or that CCP China does not restrict religious freedom, CCP China is not actively seeking to become a global superpower, potentially replacing the United States, etc. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 4 2025, 09:24 PM |
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025, 10:35 PM) Also I can't prove a negative (you can't prove you don't have a car by showing an empty garage), so I'll prove a positive instead. .Their Churches put the ones in Malaysia to shame. China is Communist my ass. Not true lah, ....... Gemini AI Overview Yes, it is possible to prove a negative, though it can be more challenging than proving a positive claim. The phrase "you can't prove a negative" is often used to refer to the difficulty of proving the non-existence of something empirical, like a mythical creature, but it's a misconception in logic. . |
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 4 2025, 10:35 PM) Also I can't prove a negative (you can't prove you don't have a car by showing an empty garage), so I'll prove a positive instead. Their Churches put the ones in Malaysia to shame. China is Communist my ass. QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 5 2025, 06:14 AM) By golly, you're right!! .I can prove a negative by giving contradictory evidence!!! I can show that in China, "Christian Churches do not need to be sanctioned or controlled by the CCP or that CCP China does not restrict religious freedom" by showing youtube shorts of them freely practising their worship, in mega- sized churches built out in the open, displaying their Christian symbols everywhere and in public without any authorities complaining about other folks' sensitivities being infringed upon. Yeah, I did that already. ![]() No, you did not prove a positive but tried unsuccessfully to provide contradictory evidence as proof, ie your false evidence do not prove that Christian Churches do not need to be sanctioned or controlled by the CCP or that CCP China does not restrict religious freedom . Greed-for-money CCP China sanctioned or approved Christmas celebration by the Three-Self Patriotic Churches because Christmas has been largely commercialized by the business-people to profit off gullible Christians, eg the myth of Santa Claus bringing gifts to children for their obedience, the false tradition of Christmas gift-giving, buying and decorating Christmas trees, etc. ....... https://achonaonline.com/features/2021/12/t...zed-phenomenon/ - The history of Christmas: how it became a commercialized phenomenon - 15 Dec 2021 https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-Christmas.html - Should Christians celebrate Christmas - 10 Jan 2025 Cons: .... Some refrain from celebrating Christmas because they see a link between the traditions surrounding the holiday and similar practices in ancient pagan rituals. It is true that bells, candles, holly, and yuletide decorations are mentioned in the history of pagan worship, and for some Christians that is enough to keep them away from celebrating Christmas. ... Another reason some Christians have for not celebrating Christmas is simply that the Bible does not support such a celebration, either by example or command, and it is difficult to reconcile much of what takes place at Christmastime with true biblical worship. ... Some Christians do not celebrate Christmas with a tree, citing Jeremiah 10, especially verses 3 and 4, which condemn the “worthless” practices of idolaters: “They cut a tree out of the forest. . . . They adorn it with silver and gold.” ... Some Christians do not celebrate Christmas because the holiday has become increasingly secularized (= commercialized). .... JOHN.14: (NKJV) = 25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. .... 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I. 29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. ... = like all the other political rulers in the world (eg the Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian/Persian, Greek, Roman, Holy Roman, Colonial, etc Empires), CCP China today is another puppet of Satan but a more evil puppet. . This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 5 2025, 02:18 PM |
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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 5 2025, 08:44 PM) So give proof that the CCP does have restrictions/ control on Churches/religion lo, simples. @lurkingaround made the baseless accusations without backing it up, then asked me to prove that there is NO restrictions instead. If Christians in China are able to watch porn, does it mean = Churches in CCP China do not need to be sanctioned/approved or controlled/restricted by the CCP or do not need to obey the CCP, or that the Churches do have religious freedom.? I already said that it's impossible to prove a negative with a 100% certainty, the best anyone can do is to provide contradictory evidence. Like you said, it's not a 100%, but its still better than making statements with sources only from the US state Dept. . QUOTE(RT8081 @ May 6 2025, 12:50 PM) There u go, simple google would provide u that unless u want to say ini semua propaganda barat ?? .https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/reli...2023122520.html This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 6 2025, 03:36 PM |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ May 6 2025, 12:50 PM) There u go, simple google would provide u that unless u want to say ini semua propaganda barat ?? https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/reli...2023122520.html QUOTE(30624770 @ May 6 2025, 03:33 PM) .Fyi, ....... https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/research-re...ctivity-venues/ - 7 Sep 2023 - China: New regulations for “religious activity venues” https://bitterwinter.org/the-new-chinese-me...-the-full-text/ - The New Chinese Measures for Religious Activity Venues Come into Force on September 1: The Full Text 08/07/2023, HU ZIMOA Even worse than the draft version, the Measures will convert places of worship into branches of the CCP propaganda system. “Bitter Winter” offers a full English translation. . |
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 6 2025, 03:43 PM) . Fyi, ....... https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/research-re...ctivity-venues/ - 7 Sep 2023 - China: New regulations for “religious activity venues” https://bitterwinter.org/the-new-chinese-me...-the-full-text/ - The New Chinese Measures for Religious Activity Venues Come into Force on September 1: The Full Text 08/07/2023, HU ZIMOA Even worse than the draft version, the Measures will convert places of worship into branches of the CCP propaganda system. “Bitter Winter” offers a full English translation. . QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ May 6 2025, 08:37 PM) Especially when I post actual previously-secret documents from the CIA themselves saying that they are using RFA to spread their propaganda, then YES I GUESS IT IS PROPAGANDA! .lol My repost fyi. Is the RFA news CIA propaganda or factual news.? . |
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