Ukraine should thank Trump.

>halt =/= stop

Ukraine win liao... U see putin kecut....

any map comparison of original line and current line?

.

This post has been edited by DarkAeon: Apr 23 2025, 10:12 AM

Ukraine will lose around 20-25% of its former territory

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Apr 23 2025, 11:35 AM

Ok I wanna go visit Russia

Visa Mastercard hope can use soon

shakhtar is now russian club?

"Currently under ukrainian"

Ya right. Lol. Literally kena konker.

Nothing new. All these are just negotiation 101.

The devil is in the details. For Putin to give up some demands, he probably got some concessions.

In this case, its the concession that US will recognise crimea as part of Russia.

What is important to understand is that for both sides, all these are just words and paper only. Can delete at any time.

However, as long as it is in both sides interest to stop fighting, fighting will stop. Even Ukraine will benefit from war stopping.

The calculus changed due entirely to Trump. He changed US stance to US interest for fighting to stop. That is the main change and why I think there will be an eventual peace deal.

It wont happen... UE and UK needs its war to justify their financial collapse and blame on the war instead.

So war needs to happen by 2027.

Jewlensky the fuhrer already decreed a nono giving up Donbass



Ukraine will not legally recognize Russia's occupation of Crimea under any circumstances, President Volodymyr Zelensky said
during a briefing in Kyiv on April 22.

"There is nothing to talk about. This violates our Constitution. This is our territory, the territory of the people of Ukraine," Zelensky
told reporters.

The statement comes amid reports that the recognition of Crimea as Russian territory is being considered as part of a U.S.-backed
proposal to end the war in Ukraine.

Zelensky warned that any discussion of Crimea risks shifting negotiations into a framework dictated by the Kremlin. He said such
proposals play directly into Russian President Vladimir Putin's "game."

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-rules-...ng-putins-game/

then fight till the last ukrainian then

Says Jewlensky, a chess piece in "US game".

Whether Ukraine recognise or not is irrelevant. Ukraine's view is irrelevant to Trump. That's the way to end the war.

Its the Korean war format. Already got prior case.

Neither side recognise Korean war borders. For the past 70+ years, North Korea still look for one Korea. What they want is irrelevant. Same will happen to Ukraine.

P.s. UK is even more irrelevant.

ok la if compare to gaza ...

thought said the war is to remove zelensky?

so what is this war about?

Yes, please don't change to other forums because coming up next:

Houthis leader personally visits US with easter egg hamper and well wishes card..

Keyword, along the current frontline. Zelensky gonna agree? Or fight till the last man?

Yes thays right, they already win liao. Now russia cannot tahan ask for peace already. Keep on fighting. Its good for ukraine. Few more year russia will surrender.
Slava ukrainian

Lol

Pointless war, for ukraine

For russia many to win. Many at stakes.

Kek i remember you are the one supporting ukraine in 2022 we had different opinion back then, supprised to see now we on same page that this war is pointless for ukraine.

by the way, Peskov, spokepeson for war crimes and genocidal russia federation says it is fake news by FT.

atleast its a start, though this is not the 1st peace talk, need to c wats given, wats taken.. but hope it really end this time.

zel will not agree
remember what he said?

till the last man
all occupied area + crimea must return to UA

whatever putin/trump words is useless
slava UA! till the last man!... errr maybe exclude him?

i still support ukraine

this shows russia previously said during the start of war and now is totally different thing

give up some of the occupied land, probably in exchange for US to remove Russia sanction

Continue another few months, there's no young men left in Russia. Now I think the NK import army also useless.

The war won't end until one side surrenders. If no one surrenders then at most, the fighting will stop but the war will not end.

You out of the loop dy, now nomore talk bout NK soldiers, it's CCP soldier liao

That is truce.

M4A1 forever talking about Ukraine war is akin to home robbery and if Ukraine don't fight back then no balls, he rather all Ukrainians die until last one. Where got same page.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: Apr 23 2025, 11:56 AM

Apa lagi puting mao

This lapsap cannot trust at all.

Pssshhh...





https://www.rt.com/russia/616126-only-trust...and-sources-on/

Palestine should give up their land to Israel, then the war will end.

Stop fighting the pointless war

Remember guys, if you get raped, just let it happen. Its better for both parties.

you mean

Putin offers to end war by taking all territories under control now and allow them to regroup and reinforce for the next war to take more of Ukraine 2 years later

problem is that TRUMP loves it

which is expected as Putin is his role model.

This post has been edited by Redhunt: Apr 23 2025, 12:31 PM

Yeah just let whole family die maybe even extended family together then by keep on banging against a immovable force / wall until own family name entirely extinct.

Great suggestion.

Honestly, people who are still stuck so many years on trying to put out these dumbass home robbery / rape analogies seriously don't know how stupid you sound relating it to complex geopolitics situations especially one as lengthy and conflicted as Ukraine-Russia with so much interferences from USA, NATO and EU.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: Apr 23 2025, 01:15 PM

Unfortunately in this case, the victim go to see the police, and the police offer help with conditions that the victim must sleep with him in coming years before he asks the rapist to stop...

Really Kecian the victim...

More than that.
The victim was persuaded to give up her big bad Rottweilers (nukes), in exchange for security by the rapist (Russia) and police (USA).

Should just quietly marry Russia. All problems solve.

and that was done for very good reason. Its not about Ukraine security. Its always about murican security.

Those days, the threat of nuclear terrorism was very high on the agenda. The risk of Ukrainian rottweilers being sold on black market to terrorist who then smuggle into murica for a terrorit attack is very real.

Even today, murican weapons provided to Ukraine gets sold on black market....

Even on hindsight, it was the right thing to do. Victim bodoh is whose fault?

Putin is force to the discussion table.

Cause Trump cannot proceed the peace talk anymore as EU able to support Ukraine without US. With EU's support, Trump can't force anymore on Ukraine.

Trump is threatening to quit the peace talks.

If the US quit the peace talks, Putin doesn't have any other choice as EU won't meet him. Left him to continue the war.

People don't understand. You can't force Putin to go anywhere.

What Trump did is to entice Putin to the table. First by pretending to take Russia side. Echo Russia concerns. Push Ukraine aside. etc.

Then only Putin come to table. No one, not even Trump, can force Putin to the table.

Only 2-face Trump can do this.

Lol. No quit je. Get everything back. Including crimea

Ukraine has been trying to get everything back since 2014. By force.

11 years later. Not only crimea lost, but every day lose more territory. Lose more people. Cannot develop as war economy....

Its time the fighting stops.

It is political incorrect to 'stop the war'.

All thanks to those pxssy EU politikus

ai yah... no need to stop... since Ukraine under Z is so confident he has all the cards and Ukraine is winning...

just let the issue resolve itself in a short few months... Furthermore, with USA ignoring the issue, EU can go help more and see a better outcome?

Putin is still the only one got balls to launch war in an age when war is banned.

Kek some comparing war with rape or even using it as comparison without realizing the magnitude is different. Good luck convencing them bro. At this point i will just tell them.

Ukraine will end up winning, they will not lose any territory, keep fighting to the last russian men. Kek

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Apr 23 2025, 01:59 PM

losing war? lol.

ayam kecewa
the one end the war need to be Trump!!

ukraine is just trying to defend itself

Punch the Russian bear in the face, then play victim. No sympathy here.

Regardless of whose fault it was, the real question is not the justification for more war, but what is the best way going forward.

More fighting?

Easy to say when no one here is facing the bullets.

and in this context, there are people here actually defending or supporting the rapist lol

Now even Colombia also join the war

only bodoh takes sides in a war that they have no stake in.

How would Ukraine continue fighting help bolehland?

some people should stop pushing obsolete narratives. Previous paymaster already change. new master in charge.

Armistice for 5 - 6 years to rebuild regroup and learn from mistakes before take another chunk.

doesnt matter if its used as a noun or a verb, the word halt will always means stop.
just that halt means much more severe than stop.

donbas arena!

+1

well,
Putin wants to continue to war

but in the meantime, Trump is easily manipulated to pull aid from Ukraine.

if you say so lol

how this war end will set precedent for the future of our nation and also Taiwan and the likes of many other small countries. Ukraine did not capitulate like Afghanistan and Syria especially against the WORLD 2ND MILITARY superpower for 3 years and more, that says a LOT about Ukraine people willing to fight on.

a country that is not willing to fight would have battered down and given up long time ago, no need three years. even vietnam fought on till heavily battered.
an old narrative that is an ILLEGAL INVASION OF ANOTHER SOVERIGN country can never be obsolete. please ask your paymaster from Kremlin to update sikit lar

dah lah invade macam nazi and imperial japan, committing war crimes and short of Rape of Nanking wanna justify is a right thing to do.

I only asked a simple question. Why dodge?

In what way does Ukraine continuing the war help Bolehland?

There are many other way to not start the war back in 2022. Even 2021.

Ukraine follow western suggestion too much.

Problem start in 2014, they lost cremea, but ukraine refuse to move on, they further engage with rebel force of donestk and luhanks

It is well known the rebel was supported by russia, they can reach middle ground but no, ukraine die die want to ban russian language in the school and continue their policy to eliminate russian culture in the east of their countries. Further threathen cremea

Right putin dont have other choice but continue to massacre all ukrainian men,

Many ukraine army batallion left 30-40% strength and they cannot replenish the troops.

The other day, a ktard shared a video of an american visiting ukraine in kiev, he walk around the street. I saw no men on the streets in the video, all old women + old men. He took bus, and can hear the bus driver speaking, it is a female bus driver.

It is sad for so many sacrifice their life to achieve nothing. Nothing has change, they still lost cremea, luhanks, donetsk and donbas, still cannot join nato, zelensky still need to resign.

Their lifeline , support from usa and west, seeing them being betrayed by usa.
Of course biden left office, putin is still in office.
I predict even trump left office, putin will still be in office.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Apr 23 2025, 06:26 PM

Yeah according to chaosneo, Zelensky is doing the absolute right thing pushing more already now "scarce" Ukraine men to go die for his "democracy" which currently Ukraine is NOT even a democracy anymore.

The virtue signalling bullshit to feel good about ownself gotta eventually stop.



Outright bodoh decisions like what Zelensky made since taking office bringing the war to this heights need to be called outright bodoh in its true essence.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: Apr 23 2025, 07:26 PM