sorry if posted in wrong section anyway

source http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?...pic=184533&st=0

taken from there

Most of u already know what the World Cyber Games is, for the other people its easy to understand, WCG is simply the biggest Esports event in the world.
http://www.worldcybergames.com/6th/inside/...C_structure.asp
If i say big, i mean BIG, about 1 300 000 participants from 75 countries have fought in 12 titels for honor, glory, money and of course busty-Korean-twin-groupies this year.

Imo 12 games are not enough and i would like to see one more game next year, DOTA for example... But dota is not even in the official vote, how can we became a part of this mega esports event? Well we will need to prove us as a strong and LAAARGE community and show the WCG bosses that our game and our community is worth it to be part of this amazing tournament. For that all of u will need to spend some time to write a mail to ICM, the company behind the WCG.

If we want to see DOTA at next year wcg we will need to fight for this lovely game, cuz there is no big gaming company behind dota like Valve, Blizzard or EA, the ONE AND ONLY thing what makes DOTA interesting for the ICM is how big our community is and how many people gonna see the commercials of the WCG-main sponsors. And cmon look at this forum? More then 500 000 members(slow as hell^^), WE ARE BIG FFS! Now u just need to spend 5 mins to write an mail @ ICM, not that difficult isn it?
Visit http://www.worldcybergames.com/icm/eng_contact.html go to WCG Tournament and tell WCG why we are the best and should be a part of the World Cyber Games. And explain why we should be nominated afterwards and take part in the already running vote.

We need to be a part of the WCG main vote, cuz there is no USA WCG and we have no opportunity to be a part of the Europe WCG, cuz there are no votings.
WE NEED to fight for the WCG main event.



Besides nice games and replays to watch everyone of YOU will have the chance to participate in the national qualifiers with your clan or funteam. The finals will be played offline that makes the games more exciting and will show US a new way to bring the gameplay to perfection. For example a hook guess how amazing it comes when you can evade it in the last millisecond. And that is possible when you play LAN and what is better than playing on a LAN and taking part in a big tournament?

And one big point for the World Cyber Games is that every country can have some spots and smaller countries with not so well-known Clans which have not suche a big chance to take in the Playoffs in MyM Prime Defending for example can take part in the LAN-finals of the WCG.




Some useful content for ur emails(pls don't copy &paste it) use your own words

BIG COMMUNITY(fast growing)
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?act=idx 550 000 members

http://www.dota-league.com/ 84 000 members
and of course all the other big fanpages//leagues u know


MANY PRIZE MONEY TOURNEYS
http://asian.worldcybergames.com/index.php...uncement/search

http://web.dreamhack.se/index.php?language=en§ion=1

http://archive.dreamhack.se/dhw06/en.97.html

http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs07/web.dreamhac...rnaments_prizes

http://www.cyberfight.org/site/asuscup/





INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY
Dota is something realy unique if it comes to gameplay, it's a BIG plus nowdays, cuz the most games are nearly the same except better graphics.


THE WILL TO FIGHT FOR THE WCG and HUGE SELFCONFIDENTCE
Tell the wcg to put us to the RTS rooster( no one rly knows what dota is rts? Rpg? Fps?), against all the blizzart rts games(wc3 scbw sc2) and tell them that we are self confindent enough to fight them

The truth is, there are always 4 rts games at the WCG and we just need to beat one of the underground 2000ppl community rts games(cc3 aoe coh wic ee), to make it short, some good games but without community, no opponents for DOTA.



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http://wis.worldcybergames.com/upload/cont.../0126_Water.jpg
http://wis.worldcybergames.com/upload/cont.../0322_Water.jpg
http://wis.worldcybergames.com/upload/cont.../0523_Water.jpg
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Why should dota be a part of the World Cyber Games 2008.




<Virtus|NS> DotA become mega popular game now, just look at mym.pride #8 cup. 350+ teams signed up and its just w/o prizes, rly 400 dollars for 1st place its nothing So im rly dont understand, why dota still not at WCG, and not even in voting of WCG 2008, or all think games like Tetris more popular, intresting and cybersportive then DotA? ~~

<SK|Loda> Well I'd say dota should be a part of the world cyber games because of its widespread community and gamers. There are soooo many dota players out there today, if it would get announced to participate in wcg 08 people would for real see it as a real esport!


<Virtus|NS> DotA became a mega popular game now, just look at mym.pride #8 cup. 350+ teams signed up and its just w/o prizes, rly 400 dollars for 1st place its nothing So im rly dont understand, why dota still not at WCG, and not even in voting of WCG 2008, or all think games like Tetris more popular, interesting and cybersportive than DotA? ~~


<SK|Drayich> "DotA is a huge game now, everyone knows about it and the competetive scene have also gone big, just a few steps behind the other big games and WCG is definently a valid next step"






Thx to
www.dotasg.com
www.gosugamers.net
www.dota-league.com
www.indota.de
and all the other pages//ppl who yxsupport this vote



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lets everyone together help promote dota to more competetive gaming!!!

wow u did ur homework

Strongly Support~!

lol...we will see how it goes.

I'd refute on several points:

1. It is NOT a game in it's own right. It's just a MAP played using the War3 engine.

2. It is wrong to equate any other game to DoTA. Believe me when i tell you that DoTA has elements of role-playing in it. But neither does it qualify as a strategy game. It's an MMOG IMHO though there may be objections from others. So where does it go in WCG? Oddball?

3. Innovative? While DoTA may have had minor changes or variations in the map, it is still... ONE map. I don't fancy having teams fighting over ONE MAP they are all extremely familiar with

4. DoTA rips off UT's sound effects. Copyright issues are bound to happen. All up to the developer and publisher of UT whether they take notice or not.

must support !!make dota go wcg !

dota boringlaaaaa.......same old same old....

What are the requirements for the game to become official for WCG gamelist?
If u ask me, the innovation part of dota is even thou its the same old map but still there are a lot of strategies. Even all the teams keep on fighting the same old map but there is no the "same old trick" to win it.
Dota is competitive enough for wcg but about others(the sound,w3 map) i do agree with mr. blue hippo.

I am a CS player, STARCRAFT PLAYER, WC3 player, i think all these game are strategic, all my teammate quit CS bcoz they like dota, i hate dota so much, to prove dota an easy game, i play and own it to my teammate, and let them see "dota is an easy game"

BUT, i cant quit dota now, bcoz i love it too much now, IT IS STRATEGIC THAN ANY GAME I have ever, sorry to say that

I dun like to flame but dota-haters pls go to other thread pls, leaving comments like "DOTA IS NOT QUALIFY AS STRATEGY GAME", silly, everyone know. U dunno much about dota, that all

MOREOVER: Here some reason why dota is not in WCG, because dota actually WC3: dota if we listed in WCG, we cannot have WC3: Dota and WC3: TFT in the same time, we only can have either one

why can't having two game listed in WCG as WC3 ? haha
that just a rule they set, it can change when it needs.
As we know.. MYM #8 having 350++ team joining, it prove that Dota should be listed as WCG'08 game. Just to see the ICM want let More then 1 WC3 listed in WCG'08 or not.

Maybe 1 major reason that Dota didn't get listed up because of the time constraint, it take at least an hour to complete one game. But if you compare with other game... they only take 20~30min this is major reason why DotA can't get listed, not about strategy or MMO thinggy

No no no you guys...the reason why it's not in the list is because Koreans can't win in DotA. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Ok, a bit serious.

DotA is more than capable to be included in WCG. I maybe hate DotARDs with all my heart (well, even DotA players themselves hate DotARDs), but the game got potential and popular. More and more pro eSports team are building their own DotA team. If this doesn't indicate the popularity, I don't know what else woh.

It maybe big in South East Asia, China and gaining good momentum in Europe but remember, organizers also have a lot of other factor to consider. The sponsors have some say as well.

This post has been edited by chapree: Nov 12 2007, 12:11 PM

I think we should smack some sense into Blizzard and ask them to endorse DoTA in WCG 2008.

Yes, DoTA is just a map and not a game per se. But by the way some see it, I believe, you can compare like how CS is to Half-Life back in earlier WCGs (Back then known as World Cyber Challenge back 2000, changed to WCG in 2001)

Valve recognized the potential Counter-Strike represented back even during the beta stages. And then it turned retail under the support(or greed, as they bought the IP of CS) of Valve, perhaps IMHO one of the most successful story of modders turned game developer.

Most games that are designed with certain level of complexity, IMHO, are strategic/tactical in nature regardless of it's genre(well maybe except for O2Jam eh?)


just my honest 2 cents.

hm..i do not support Dota be part of the game in WCG 2008, DoTA is made based on War Craft 3 Frozen Throne. I know DoTA is famous, however, its still based on War Craft 3, not an original war craft 3 game.

Refer to my above post, like I said; while it is not game itself. It is well planned, backed, and supported map by it's current creator. Reviewing what I said though, CS was already retail by the time it was held in WCG 2001. I guess this makes hope for DoTA to be in WCG 2008 fizzles

Importance for a game to be in WCG is competition, when it is famous with over 350+ participating teams; IMO, it's a very good sign that DoTA should be a viable entrant in the voting list. I'm guessing Koreans' don't really like DoTA huh?

Talks about DoTA distract me from my studies ahhh!

haha u dota until no life le.. study evening, dota at night..enough lo

dota nid alot strategy wan le...
before the game hero drafting
the very beggining of da game when da clock shows 0.00 for warding or mayb early ganking..
to early game ganking or staying in lane or bs-ing
to 5 v 5 epic btl..like starter or da 1 hu stay bhind
to taking down towers
to taking down rax
to go to tournaments -.- sit teksi or train or drive
to observing other team strat
to throning
to roshaning


lol spam too much @@ dats enuf haha...too complicated for my simple mind


and


GOOD luck those whose taking SPM

This post has been edited by rjc.rj: Nov 12 2007, 08:54 PM

oh , actually there are so many supporters for dota. So did u all send the email to ICM?

nay, I can't write Korean.

Not until all cybercafes have original War3 and 100% of DoTArds have original War3 in Malaysia will i even consider DoTA to be included in WCG. That's the sad truth of it.

I can bet you 95% of all DoTA players do not even own original War3.

it was 99% in malaysia.... i mean i m tired to see paulyan win every year, but didnt suspect anyone beating him too, lol

wrong topic ? Malaysia = pirate heaven, you aspect all malaysian having original game ? lol.. joke of the day
not to say what, TS just hope us write mail for WCG'08 including DotA, and they didn't mention just Malaysia, it's worldwide, if you really read it, source are from DA forum, and it represent many other country like euro/usa/asia and etc. what you say doesn't make any sense.

why must all have the original w3 then only we qualified to have dota in wcg? I do hope dota will be included in WCG 2008 even though i may not be joining it. Just hope that dota got a chance in the world class tournament and we get to see which country has the strongest team.

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Nov 13 2007, 09:41 PM

just wanna share my 2 cents here..

if u guys wanna let everyone know abt this, u have to make it big~ u have to do promotion~ not just sending email to ICM for this.


what u guys can do is this:

1. Send brochures in local cc

2. Send an articles to all magazines,newspaper n to all sort of media

3. Target areas where there lots of ppl playing dota n let them know wht u guys is trying to do

4. Set up a complete email so tht everyone who interested can just put their name in and send to ICM( Most ppl r lazy to do their own format, so y not u set one for them?)


For me, i've ntg against dota. In fact i play to on d b server. 1 thing tht im against is the fact tht most of d dota players dun have original cd and i think they(ICM,Blizzard n others) r against that too. No ori no money.

Like in d FIFA community, 80-90% those who manage go thru d quarter finals r those who have ori cd. And from 2005 until 2007, all d FIFA champ own an ori cd. 30-40% of d ppl in d FIFA community also have ori cd. I dun have to include overseas stat here coz most of them who join tourney have ori cd.and not to mention Paul Yan also(Thats y he is d champ ^^)


Another question i wanna ask is how bad do u want it to b in WCG? Will u do wht i mention above to make sure ICM include DOTA in WCG? Will u guys willing to fork out a lil bit of money to make sure this happen? Are u guys willing to go to Korea to show support on this matter? Are u guys willing to post in all dota forum all over d world?


In order to do all of this is u guys have ur own dedicate team for this matter. 1 person dun stand a chance. Remember "Bersatu kita teguh bercerai kita roboh". ^^



Just my 2 cent again. Hehe n i believe u guys can do it! GL ^^

msian style=mouth talk + push the work all around

The prize money for DotA tournaments seriously nerfs the WCG price....take into account that there must be like a ga-zillion of DotA tournaments....there is no reason to push it into WCG....let other games shine...

Dats good ^^ more ppl will play DOTA @@ aha..since more money.

actually i still cant see the connection between buying the original with getting dota into wcg. But its true, we must support original. But again, it's 2 different topic right? -.-
Dota in Malaysia is already very successful i think. A lot of teams is participating. I will just show my support by sending an email to ICM. Tats all.
Whether it will be successful or not...only time can tell.

i say "yes" to dota..ok lets pawn noobs.

In my opinion, DOTA is a nice map and game to play.
Seeing DOTA as an official international game in WCG wound be exciting since this is one of the games that M'sian fared relatively well.

Writing to ICM per se might not be sufficient as its more of strategic business planning globally involving the sponsors, organizer, target audience etc.

The promotional of participation at the local game scene to begineer is rather limited. How often do u see in a game that Noob is encourage to play on after they perform poorly. Many times they are ushered with rather abusive remark and invite to leave if they perform poorly. Its such a waste to the growth of DOTA game. Although noobs usually don't perform well in game initially, they are however a great potential of at least being a spectators that would lobby for the growth of this game.

We might have ten or hundred thousand of ppl playing DOTA but how about having billions and billions of spectator lobby for this game.
Which factor will be more tempting for the organizer, sponsors .... to consider?

For DOTA to go WCG international.
Help promote the game by creating a condusive environment.
Invite ur friends to participant.
Refrain from abusive remark in game.
and others (as mentioned by previous forumer).

This post has been edited by CityLife: Nov 16 2007, 10:34 PM

u all DOTA players have enough tournament already. endless tournament i would say. Why you want DOTA to go for WCG...?

enough for the DOTA... some people hardcore DOTA till like they
got brain washed by the game..

just let other game shine, they are more good game available out there.
just because of people crazy about DOTA, they forgot the existence of other games out there.

we malaysian need to move forward. not aways stucked in here

Exactly my sentiments.

I've seen people fight over the smallest matter in a DoTA game. Rude-name calling also isn't exactly my idea of sportsmanship. There are already plenty of major DoTA tourneys out there. All one has to do is look harder.

DoTA may be a good game but at this point of time, i don't think it should be included in the WCG.DoTA gamers are a dime to 5dozen.Let some other games that are also worthwhile be played. If there are arguments stating that because 95% of Malaysian gamers play DoTA and thus DoTA should be included in WCG2008, i hereby invite you to jump off the 88th floor of the Petronas Twin Towers and kill yourself.

facepalm.jpg facepalm.jpg facepalm.jpg facepalm.jpg

Shit another Dota competition whoring thread one of the reasons I do not come in to this part of the forums to look for competition is cause there are just too many of the people asking for dota competition please I beg you please vote if not I will die people.

People go play other games instead of just dota dota dota.

And most of the dotards are just 1 line reply and limited vocabulary people that can only make 1 line sentence with not more than ten words.

The funniest thing is that when I make a normal warcraft map and they join they will say what kinda game is this I say warcracft and they say this is not warcraft.

No.. I dont want to turn this to a Dota Bashing thread therefore i make it simple

Dota is a Custom game map for WC3 like Tower defences. Its meant to just play and have a few laughs. To insert any hardcore element is just like turning Musical Chair to a Rm1000 competition...

I hope WCG wont consider it at all..

Seconded that,let other games shine since there are shit load of potiential games like CoH:OF,UT3,Quake 4 and ETQW to be played in WCG or any tourney.All these old games in WCG and other major tourney is making these games not being played much in competitve level.

Enough DotA,move on to other games.

If you are talking about custom mods or maps to be included in WCG,then,even DCPro should be in,for gawd sakes.It's designed to be played competitvely from ground up.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Nov 24 2007, 02:34 PM

I hate DoTA as much as you but do try to leave the insults and rants behind. This will only give them a reason to further the cause.

Actually u all misunderstood. Not only malaysian asked for it. But still i understand why dota should not be included in WCG2008 as well. I still think there is low chance for dota to be included. There are a lot of nice games out there that deserved to be in WCG2008. But add 1 or 2 to the list is not that hard right?

Exactly. How many times do i need to repeat that DotA is not played by Malaysians only but all the gamers worldwide!! ! The only thing that we can do is to boycott WCG, stop buying their products etc. Then only they will realize how serious this is and include DotA in the coming WCG 2008. I somehow think WCG disrespects DotA communities.

and name me one "products" that u actually bought from WCG
they hardly sell their goods anyway
and nobody gives a shit if u did boycott WCG because the show will go on anyway and u can crawl back into your little hole crying for your mommy
compare to just "one" map, theres plenty of others that have more potential games/mod to be listed and need not to be discuss

You somehow didn't mention CS is also one of the mod but it has been in the WCG for so many years. DotA uses map but so does CS.

come on its not that serious. Nothing to be angry about. IMO, for those who support dota just continue supporting it and for those who hate it, eh continue to hate it i think.
What i really want to know is which country has the best dota team. Like o2jam, just let dota in WCG for 1 time is enough.

Ain't DotA in WCG 2006....oh you mean you want international recognition for DotA izit...

Then use Battlenet....since then you can fight it out with international players....4 I noe that some of you guys use the 'other' server...

@ Golden:

True CS is a mod but it has about 4 well-known official WCG maps to shake things up for example:

1.De_Dust
2.De_Dust 2
3.De_Nuke
4.De_Inferno

As for DotA lets see :

1.1 map comprised of 3 lanes with a river down the middle.

Even in the version 6.xx is there no changes in the design of the map...so tell you what...give DotA maps more variety and maybe it will enter WCG. Oh and BTW...you DotA players best watch your types and words since the main reason most of the haters hates it is because of your inability to tolerate noobs no matter how hard they want to learn.

WCG products?? like what?? i would like to support their product.

OKay...now let me ask you a question....

If you think WCG disrespects DotA then why not say that DotA disrespects the Malaysian gaming community...

Besides the occasional FIFA....MSR....CS competitions...how many other games have other tournaments that are not WCG...

How many Quake , UT , CoH or even vanilla War3 tournaments have you seen these days...the amount of these tournaments can be clearly counted on 1 hand...

And let me ask you another thing...the DotA nationals grand prize is RM33k whereas the WCG national finals is a miserable RM8k for CS plus other stuffs like Computers and such but really RM33k can get you all this and more...

So please do some more research as to why we think that there is too much DotA tournaments here and the last thing we need is for it to go to WCG. For God's sake if one person here were to win all the DotA tournaments that is in this subforum....he would be richer than Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendle in around 1.5 years....or less...

So don't you dare say that WCG insults DotA...as DotA insults other games in the gaming community here.

Stop buying their products? WTF products does WCG promote OR sell?

And WCG disrespects DoTA? In what sense? You're talking nonsense.


And WCG doesn't deal with terrorists.

http://www.worldcybergames.com/poll/selection2008.asp

No DotA in WCG2008... what a nightmare...

Bravo for them then !!!

4 well known official wcg maps ? hello before it became "well known offical wcg map" what was it? before cs was an official game?

and 2nd its not because of variety of maps ..one of the reason because of game duration , average duration of offical games are around 15-30minutes per game whereas dota average games are as long as 60minutes and it can go up to 2 hours , which is why icefrog removed the regeneration ability of tower so that the game woudlt drag (but now a game can drag very long because of crow)

and another issue with dota is the balance issue, blizzard spokesman before has mentioned that what makes it hard for dota to be an offical game is because of balance issue there are many heroes with different ability on both sides so it will be very hard to balance the game (during that time normal pick was the offical competitive mode but that is no longer a problem anymore since now all competitive dota is using -ap(xl) draft mode)

and about inability to tolerate noob.

unlike cs u only have to wait for at most 4minutes for next round but for dota once you have a noob teammate youre stuck with him until the game ends and the noob player can affect the game alot which can easily make those hot tempered guy angry lol .but as far the competitive gaming scene this is not really a problem

This post has been edited by Flizzardo: Nov 25 2007, 03:09 PM

It is not a nightmare.

Thank god. You all Dotarian already conquer most of the gaming community in this country.
99% of the competition is based on DOTA.. We hardly get other games tournament.

Dota here and there, no cyber cafe can survive if they dont install TFT+DOTA map.
enuff for the Dota i said.

why wud every1 wan DotA in WCG???? ;; dota has so many big cash tourney ady. better than WCG prize money summore. is up to WCG and the SPONSORS to choose the games anyway. if sum1 here really want dota in WCG, u got $$$$$$$$$ sponsor they surely put it in 1. no $$$$$$$ then just stay down and play other dota tourneys lah.. zzzz .. so easy... make life so complicated for wat, didn see anyone demanding dota for eswc? zzzzz...

every1 start buying big sweep and hit jackpot 3 million..... then go to korea, put those cash on the desk, ask them make dota in wcg happen, and every1 will call u father of all dota players.. LOL... i wud personally use the money for sth else..

just random spam.

lol steady..everyone of us have our own opinions. What radkliler said/wrote is acceptable. But during wcg2006 dota is just a mini tourney. Battlenet not that smooth. I think that what all the dota players want is having a world class tourney using LAN.
And u'r generalizing that all dota haters hate dota cuz they cant tolerate noobs -.-. I agreed with you that some dota players(pro/noob) have attitude problems.
Whether dota will successful in getting in WCG we will c about it Happen or not doesn't really matter.

if dota is included , i think standard warcraft 3 competition will totally die of in malaysia , look at the small community we have , in Malaysia ,we hav dota competitions so often in various cyber cafe, isn't tat enough ? about globally im not so sure about wat others think , but wat i knoe the dota scene is growing really fast

Fulamak, the WGT champion(war3) had spoken. xD

This post has been edited by KiLLing-z2: Nov 25 2007, 08:05 PM

yeah its growing very fast. IMO, all malaysians only focus in 1 game at a time. Like last time helbreath, RO and CS. During CS era, all tourney = CS tourney summore all tourney only used the de_dust map.(early early CS era)

IF SC2 come out, and all focus on SC2. Then we will ask for SC2 in WCG2008 and ask for more tourneys. Any diff with dota?

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Nov 26 2007, 03:01 PM

That's the whole problem isn't it? Why is everyone so obsessed with following the trend? Go against the trend, DARE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

Just because everyone's playing DoTA doesn't mean that you must as a gamer. There are plenty of other games out there worth YOUR attention. I find that many arguments from people that "Oh, i play b'coz my fren play" or " I don't want to feel left out" very weak. So what if your friends play DoTA? Doesn't mean you HAVE to force yourself to join. Sure, yeah...you may like the game, but you're restricting yourself!

This is the main problem for most Malaysian gamers.

I think y so many DOTA fanatics wan DOTA in WCG is that there are so many controversies on online international DOTA tournaments that leave a bad taste in everyone mouth regarding which nation DOTA is the best....

problems like delay, ghosting thru LIVE broadcasts, maphack, timezone issues are making online tournaments results debatable....

European is claiming domination over Asian DOTA cause they are dominating these online tournaments, while Asian is claiming the poor internet connection of their region for their poor showing on these tournaments....

so i guess thats why there is big demand for at least 1 wourldwide LAN DOTA tournament like WCG to decide once and for all who is really "King Of The World"

Does not apply as official game.

1) It is not created by blizzard
2) Its a custom map

Seconded that. Now,even CCs dont have latest games because of the DotA community.It's killing every other game community out there.Now,who actually care for new games like WiC,CoH or anything that looks better than DotA? 95% of Malaysian dont and im always the weirdo playing something else in CC.

Besides,it's making me sick to see C2D and 8-series cards are being used to play WC3.Those hardware are under used.

Thank gawd.

Seconded that.Maybe we should start a chain reaction to replace DotA with another game.

Totally understood. But there is nothing wrong if all follow the trend and if u wanna blame dota for killing other games? its kinda strange if u ask me. Those
tourney organizers usually host tourney that can attract more peoples and not because those dota players said "we only wan dota if no dota we will boycott it" (althou some dotards did said it).

Still im a middle man in this case cuz i support dota and hope that other games can shine. Just trying to defend dota so this thread wont be 1 sided.

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Nov 26 2007, 02:55 PM

I don't see how can this thread be 1 sided. We obviously got both side of stories here and it's still 50-50 ball possession for now.

Well, to people that sent emails to ICM, did you guys get any reply?

Cant u see? most of the recent posts are all non dota supporters. In order to encourage more ppl to vote i must post something positive about dota. The reason i said its 1 sided its because this thread getting more and more negative posts.

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Nov 26 2007, 01:32 PM

Wow, the anti-Dota crowd seems to be in full force here (as usual)

1. Replace the word "MAP" with "MOD" and you effectively ruled out CS as well.

4. CS used real-life gun names without permission (Hence the reason the retail version had them changed), and they were still allowed for use in tourneys.

Like I said in the thread in the Warcraft 3 forum, CS is still the exception to the rule that Mods don't do well on the international stage due to lack of support.

Again, lots of ppl who played CS competitively during its heyday last time didn't have ori or even a copy at home for that matter.

I find your statement funny, because if you replace "DOTA" with "Starcraft" and "Malaysian" with "Korean", your statement actually insults the most profitable gaming nation in the world.

Now, I don't agree that we should all be like the Koreans who still think its 1998, but it certainly isn't the pessimistic "stagnant" picture you paint us to have.

That's right, just dismiss a mod because its a mod. Its nice to know that modders are only capable of making ornate versions of Musical Chairs in your eyes.


I'm tempted to just ban the lot of you for a week for constantly doing this everytime this subject pops up (The anti-dota forumers i mean).

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Added on November 26, 2007, 2:36 pmBased on your reasoning, let's look at FIFA 08. Last I checked, in football, you only played on one field (aka the "map"). Am I to believe that FIFA is less of a game than CS now?

This post has been edited by H@H@: Nov 26 2007, 02:36 PM

1. But it still became a game in its own way. I don't see that happening with DoTA. Maybe when Blizzard picks up DoTA and continues development but i don't see that happening just yet. It's still too complicated.

4. Ain't saying anything.



No no....i'm talking about the current situation. Even i myself didn't use to own original War3. But i DO think now, since i can afford it, and from my observation that most who play DoTA are late teens, that they should make an effort to get original games.

Hell, i'll bet even kids at the age of 15 now get way more allowance than i do.



We're still within topic discussion. There will always be two sides of the coin. One reason why no DoTA supporters actively reply isn't because we've hijacked their thread. We're just expressing our views. If they don't want to reply, let them.

Some people prefers to go to cyber cafe. They play dota there and there is dota tourney and they join. Is there any need for original CD? U can change the dota to another game. It is still the same thing. That's y i think its irrelevant to point out that point.
For now, dota supporters can only be supportive in order for dota to succeed. Dota did succeeded just that u dont know about it. Now we want Dota to be in WCG 2008. Thats all. Can or cannot doesnt really matter as long as we ve tried. Not just dota, if there is another game that i like i will still support it like how i supported dota.

1. Doesn't change the fact that its a mod that has a following. CS's popularity may be a freak aversion in this case, but that's no reason to write it off.

4. Well you brought up the whole copyright issue. I was just saying that, for mods, its rarely an issue.


Having an original copy never was and will never be a requirement to participate in a tournament.


And this anti-Dota movement brings up the same old arguments over and over again. Its just a map; Its killing the local gaming community; Its not a game; Dotards are llamas, etc. This is bordering on trolling since its constantly being repeated (Most of which is laced with malice). You guys don't like the game (We get it), but you bring that to a whole new level of hate.

Also, this is to prevent stupid flame wars from erupting because of such posts. More often than not, its the anti-Dota crowd that throws the first rock.

The pro/anti Dota crowd have shown that they both can't coexist together, therefore any discussions have been disallowed. Not my fault that some of you can't seem to discuss this in a peaceful manner.

i think we just need to take a look at DOTA on the ASIAN WCG to have an idea how successful it can be at a worldwide LAN tournament.....

from the feedback i gotten from SG forums, it is the event that attract the biggest crowd aka the main event of ACG...

i think that for watever reason DOTA is not consider for the worldwide WCG, is definitely not due to its lacks of support, but maybe some other financial or commercial issues that DOTA fans have no power over....

there have been some in depth discussion over at DA forums as to why DOTA have not been included into mainstream profesional gaming scene, and some people feel it never will cross over....

the main reason that those close to the profesional gaming scene concluded that is the length of a DOTA game and the knowledge of the game mechanics needed to understand DOTA which makes it not "spectators friendly" for LAN tournaments,

you can pick a random guy out of the crowd to take a look at CS and he will know wats happening after 5 mins, but for DOTA , he can watch it for over hours, but if he never play the game before, he will have no clue wat is the game all about.....

unless the game developers of DOTA solved these 2 main issues, those experts feel DOTA wil never make it to any mainstream worldwide LAN event, and even Icefrog , the game designer have spoken out that he likes the way DOTA is now, and will not make any drastic changes to it so that it could be implemented into spectators-orientated event.....

This post has been edited by synzo: Nov 26 2007, 05:28 PM

If SC2 were to come out, it will definitely be in WCG.
Who cares whether DOTA will be in or not at the international stage.

Just trying to give u an example. If u dont care why u wanna post it here.

I doubt SC2 will replace dota.

Another epic reply lol~

WCG got products to buy rofl ...

So you suggesting other games don't have players worldwide ?

At least you and I are having a 'peaceful' discussion. Want to go HINDRAF now?

Granted, not having an original copy doesn't mean you can't participate in a tournament. But i do stress that i've seen plenty of DoTA players(i can't bring myself to use the word gamer) that still have a childish attitude.

Until they show maturity like those of foreign DoTA players(personally, haven't seen any, but i'm sure they're way more mature. i'm not asking for the same maturity level, just better than what it is now)... i don't see it happening.

'childish attitude' it seems
Unwilling to see both sides of the picture to make clear judgements , now THAT is childish . The bolded comment is just so ... unbelievably ignorant (sorry but I have to be blunt here) . Don't you think that would be more of a 'hate the player not the game case' ?

It seems that many of you blame Dota for the lack of other games making it here . Did it ever occur to you that other people just might not have the same taste as you ? Games are meant to be enjoyed , do you expect us to spend our time playing something we don't enjoy just because its new ?
Did you really think that Dota would remain successful as long as it did if we really didn't enjoy it , that we play it 'just because our friends are playing as well' ? If you believe all that , I have a pot of gold just sitting at the end of the rainbow to sell you .

A lot of the anti-dota activists here are using the same tired excuses . 'same old map' 'too many tournaments around already' . While dota might only have 1 map , which has been tweaked a lot throughout its years , the fact remains there are a wide variety of heroes / items / builds / combos . There is also creep pulling , creep control , rune control , gank timing , using the fog of war to your advantage , etc etc . Basically , the WAY the map is played out has changed . On that argument , what about CS ? How many types of guns are actually used during a course of a match ? You might play on different maps , but ultimately what you spend your funds on are relatively limited . Or any other game for that matter ? Like H@H@ said , FIFA runs on 1 map as well . Are you going to rag on FIFA then ? Don't get me wrong , im not saying DOTA > CS/FIFA/etc etc , but i AM saying that using that as an excuse is kinda zzz ( for lack of more polite words)

As you know , tournaments are usually held to either promote the game itself , or their company/cafe , more often the latter . In which case , I don't understand why u blame Dota . The simple fact is , a majority of the people do NOT enjoy the game . Which is why cafes refuse to run tournaments for it . Hell , if you feel so strongly about it , maybe you could do your bit about promoting it instead of channeling your energy to running down other games .

The reason people do not 'actively reply' is because most of the arguments brought up are stale . They are poorly thought up arguments brought up by anti-dota people long long ago , which to this date for some reason are still being brought up despite being shot down numerous times and have hence lost all forms of logic .

As many others have said , Dota has already built a large following worldwide throughout the years . As an avid Dota fan I would sincerely love to see it included in the list of games . About being imba , they could use the version being used in tourneys worldwide , 6.48b atm , pretty sure gamers would have no complaints . Or maybe just add it for a year to see how things go . There was already so much controversy at this years WCG finals , i doubt things could get any worst lol .Meh maybe instead of writing in to the WCG commitee we should be writing to Blizzard instead . But hey , even if it doesn't make it , im not gonna knock on other games just because my game didn't make it

They r just focusing on giving irrelevant negative comments about it, I would say. Complains about Dota will never stop

Long post... couldn't be bothered to read most of it but here's my reply to the first few paragraphs.

My argument is with the players themselves, the map and the combinations you can have in DoTA. Tell me, exactly how many heroes are there in DoTA?

And as for the players, i blame Malaysian gamers themselves for not branching out into other games besides DoTA. Take a look at most cybercafes on a Friday, Sat and Sun night. At least 4/5 of all computers there have DoTA being played on them.

And why should i rag on FIFA? They don't show the kind of immaturity DoTA players(and i don't mean all) show.

We both come from the opposite end of the 'rainbow' as you put it. Simply put, stop saying my arguments are stale, because yours is too. What's keeping me replying here is the fact that i keep getting people replying and refuting my replies. Sure, reply if you want, just don't do it in such a way that i HAVE to click the reply button.

You know what? Why don't we just stop arguing right here, right now. I'm tired of replying to all these claims so please, can we just give it a rest?



*Sigh* I have always KNOWN that others will not have the same tastes as me. Main reason why i hate DoTA is because people WON'T EVEN TRY something else even when presented with the chance. It's always DoTA, DoTA, DoTA. Anything other than DoTA is crap, DoTA ROX, your games suck cock etc etc etc.

P/S - I'm not knocking on DoTA even though Battlefield OR CoD doesn't even make it into WGT OR CGS OR WCG OR ACG.

well said

I'm gonna argue againts DOTA because i think it sucks. See easy arguement.

Actually i think there are far more deserving games out there.

And really, why the heck are those cat eating koreans still infatuated with starcraft? I VOTE FOR HL2 DM. THE PURITY OF DEATHMATCH FOR ALL!

I do believe people play DotA is because of 'just because our friends are playing as well'.Thats just human nature.People dont want to feel left out in their circle of friends,even if they dont really enjoy.I have friends who are like that.Play because of their friends are playing even of they hate playing games.I dont do that and rather be a lone gunner in other games than playing that repitative boring map.

The main reason i hate DotA is because most players(i prefer to call them dotards) are immature.They always love to scream as if they lost their limbs when they lose or beat up someone because they are a noob.That make me even sick when they dont teach noobs how to play and being so selfish while playing.

Thats just another reason i hate them.These people just dont want to try anything new,especially real RTS.

DotA will never be balanced.Blizzard took years to balance Starcraft and it only have 3 race.DotA has so many heroes and hero combination.Whats more,balancing is not an easy task,especially a game with lots of unique sides. I doubt that Ice Frog can balance it.

Im not blaming the game,it's the community thats makes me hate this game.

So it would seem people have already stereotyped dota players as ppl who ' play because their friends play ' and 'people who are immature and unwilling to try new games'
GJGJ
I mean like , all your examples do not happen in other games . Every CS , FIFA , Wc3 player out there is adventurous and the epitome of maturity .
People will do noob bashing , regardless of game or nationality , if you think foreigners dont do it , or people from other games don't do it , think again .
As for unwilling to try new games . Have u seen the amount of ppl who still play CS / FIFA / SC ? Pretty sure they are much older than Dota . Does that mean they have not tried new games ? No , because they might have tried and not liked it , hence going back to their original game . What makes Dota the exception ?
I don't see the point of bringing your hate of the game into a thread where the point was to show support to DOTA's induction into the WCG . The thread wasn't Dota > * or replace X with DotA at WCG 2008 . Seems like some ppl have issues . . .

This post has been edited by Heemee: Nov 29 2007, 08:13 PM

So TeckPeow finally replied eh..Im neutral regarding whether DOTA is included in WCG.But one thing,my frend keep on telling me that DOTA 'is' included in WCG during the WCG 2006 and they were shocked as why it wasnt included this year.

And I really hate people that scold noobs during DOTA.I dont think it'll happen in WCG though..Imagine mjb,ccb all coming out..

So TeckPeow got wat WCG products to sell??

Simple. Becoz SC2 not release yet.

Yup, it's the same arguments all over again from both parties.

Anyway, nobody answered my question yet? Did you guys get any reply from ICM about your mailz?

Looking at another aspect regarding at this issue of including DOTA in WCG final....

If u have a nephew who have not played Dota before, would u recommend him to play the game in LAN/ Battlenet?

If u have a younger brother, would u do the same?

If u have a child, would u encourage him/ her to get involve in playing this in LAN/ Battlenet as a noob and risk of being ushered by aggressive remark in-game or possibility of other unpleasant experience as being a noob in-game?

I like the concept of Dota.

However, the many ppl that play this game always make it not condusive for new comer to sustain their interest long enough for them to continue. Therefore, apart from those keen Dota players who would sent e-mail to ICM, who else would?

Ultimately, its the AUDIENCE/ CROWD who would support growth of e-sport not the players per-se.

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Added on November 29, 2007, 9:16 pmSorry brother. Not complaining about Dota.
It is Dota player that is being complained here.

This post has been edited by CityLife: Nov 29 2007, 09:16 PM

many hav changed after playing dota for a long period, all of dem r less abusive..and becomes polite after all its e-sport..character is also very important

that would effectively rule out pretty much any game which requires a lot of player interaction


This post has been edited by Heemee: Nov 29 2007, 11:20 PM

No point u complain about the players. Most of u all do have ur point/opinions and I agree with it.
Fans or spectators are very important. But hey, we are talking about getting dota into WCG and like other games it would required the players itself to vote/support 1st.

If the community of dota got problem, then we will just quit playing the game?
If they want to play dota and not other games, whose fault it is? dota or the player? some said like dota is the main problem that caused other games to be left out. I totally wont agree with this. But i understand, not like last time, i can play SC, CS , AOE , HALF LIFE and blablabla during my session in cybercafe. Now, all just focus on Dota and its 1 of the reason I seldom go to cyber cafe.


This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Nov 30 2007, 12:20 AM

i strongly support this.. it can be easily proven..



ahh just found a good thread..http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/533453
according to the tread strater, this is the quote

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Added on December 5, 2007, 8:36 pmthe question is, what other kind of football field we can have?? smaller size? round shape? triangle shape???
AFAIK, football field only has 1 type and it is the same all around the world.

all these discussion reall gone out of topic. more about dota fanboys vs anti-dotard. no about hating the game itself.
whatever, dota should not get into WCG or it will kill other games aswell.

This post has been edited by johnnycp: Dec 5 2007, 08:42 PM

Why care if DotA is in wcg or not?

For some game like starcraft, WCG is not that prestigious at all.
In Korea they have starleagues for Starcraft. Maybe Malaysia should make our own version of DotA league.
If starcraft is Tennis, winning WCG is like getting Olympic gold medal and winning Starleague is like winning Grand Slam.

Get a TV deal for local tournament is better than getting DotA to WCG.
Who knows 5 yrs from now most ppl in DotA community will envy us and want to be Malaysian, just like how some of sc:bw players want to be Korean.

Dude...we do have it...it's called the DotA National Finals...

Prize money : RM33k

seems like johnny the legoman has a bad experience in dota. What he said is totally true. But please dont generalizing. U talking about some noob that keep scolding/humiliate other players and ur saying like all dota players are like tat. About the football field or what, i dont really understand or care but how can dota kill other games? If u like that game just show ur support to it. We like dota and we r doing it now.

not kill per se...just that as DotA is getting more popular here...other games begin to fall into a distance , thereby rendering the state of Malaysian gaming near stagnant..

Lack of gaming competition for other games as well...this is partially the effect of DotA killing other games.

Because DotA is where more gamers are at...CC's organize more games for DotA since it is a good way to make a profit...and because of that those games that could possibly be better than DotA falls by the wayside...

I'm not saying that DotA sucks b*lls...I'm saying that DotA shouldn't get that much attention at the cost of other potentially better games

your explaination is much more better.. i have my support!!