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post Mar 28 2025, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 02:09 PM)
Dude, I can work overtime, but if the OT pay is bad and I have to work at least two hours just to claim it, it’s not worth it. I have family to take care of, especially with a baby.
I work as QA Engineer and handle not just my job scope but also tasks beyond it, HR, small IT work, office suite macros (which considered part of my job) and various admin work.
Sure, they don’t review every email I send, but the culture is already set, most of the things have to go through the boss for verification.
When did I ever say I wanted a promotion? I don’t expect one, because this company only promotes loyal staff 10+ years. I just want salary adjustment to match the market, even on the lower end because right now I’m underpaid.
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You're right, not worth for it since the payment bad 😕🔥
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post Mar 28 2025, 04:37 PM

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How much is your increment?
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post Mar 28 2025, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 02:09 PM)
I just want salary adjustment to match the market, even on the lower end because right now I’m underpaid.
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How much is ur salary
How much is market?
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post Mar 28 2025, 07:00 PM

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Normal for company to underpaid. You need to jump.
I also make a leap which they offer me rm800 if ot and work on Saturday.
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post Mar 28 2025, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 09:25 AM)
After my salary increment (12%), I feel it still doesn’t match the market rate,
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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 02:09 PM)
I just want salary adjustment to match the market, even on the lower end because right now I’m underpaid.
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Dei, this is not how you negotiate salary.

Market rate is the worst justification you can use because it just shows you don't know your actual worth.

You know what is very likely? The average market rate, is on average doing a lot more work than you. You can't simply use your position/title as justification.


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post Mar 28 2025, 08:22 PM

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post Mar 29 2025, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 02:08 PM)
I could list all the extra work I contribute (my job scope and other), but when salary discussion, my boss would just say, “I pay you for your hours, so I can ask you to do anything within the hours. Don’t be kira-kira ok, the mid-month bonus adds extra” (yeah, extra RM50-100)...
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well, it's sad to hear that everything seems to be centered around you. you did extra but selective work, you think it's not worth it to do overtime, you need time for family, and you feel underpaid.

talking here also gives the impression that you are actually holding back your effort because you think it's not worthwhile. maybe you should start thinking about what the company needs and put in all your effort to contribute. by that time, i believe you wouldn’t even have to bargain for a higher salary. if you have to bargain, then you know you haven’t done enough in their eyes. if you want to wait for them to show their appreciation first before you start putting in the work, well, if one of your subordinates had this attitude, what would you do?
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post Mar 29 2025, 02:23 AM

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Things work both ways.
You expect company to pay you higher then only you put more effort.
Have you ever give a thought that bosses will only pay higher if they see you have given extra effort? If you have to nego and yet still doesn't get what you want, maybe the boss is not seeing the extra effort that you think you are giving. Pay must be substantiated with extra value.


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post Mar 29 2025, 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 28 2025, 12:25 PM)
After my salary increment (12%), I feel it still doesn’t match the market rate, so I confronted the director about the salary adjustment. He tried guilt tripping me, I expected that. He "said" they "will" add a bit more in the mid-month bonus, said only.

Not to mention office politics especially among long-time "loyal" staff... Also, I’m not gaining valuable experience and the unrelated tasks won’t boost my resume, QA Engineer. No career growth/development in 3 years. Promotion? Likely only for those who stay 10+ years.

I'm planning to quit soon, but I feel stuck in my comfort zone, just like before, afraid to change jobs... Now got my own family, health problems, need stable jobs...
The conversation:
- He: Job satisfaction and health matter more than money. (non-existence, medical benefit)

- He: I leave on time and rarely work overtime, so money isn't a priority.

- When I mentioned market salaries being higher, he changed the topic.

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That is why you should never stay loyal to a company... Times are different these days, and loyalty wouldn't pay you much now. Instead, job hop every 2-4 years...

It's also to test your skillset across the wide range of real-world markets found...

You'll get to play and work around with different leaderships, people of various skillsets, monetary and talent resources in the team / department, as well as different problems to tackle...

If you find a toxic leader, then move on before you get locked in and suffer... If you find a good team, and a good management, then stay lock in and floor it...

Also... when your salary gets higher, think about how to scale a team, money-saving causes for the company, as well as big-picture thinking... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 31 2025, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Mar 28 2025, 04:37 PM)
How much is your increment?
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QUOTE(amboi_asamboi @ Mar 28 2025, 05:26 PM)
How much is ur salary
How much is market?
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5500-6000+ for 3 years+ experience, that's average, high about 6500+
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post Mar 31 2025, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 28 2025, 07:23 PM)
Dei, this is not how you negotiate salary.

Market rate is the worst justification you can use because it just shows you don't know your actual worth.

You know what is very likely? The average market rate, is on average doing a lot more work than you. You can't simply use your position/title as justification.
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By 'average doing a lot of work' do you mean I need to list every task and unrelated duties I've been handling outside my role to prove my worth? It seems unnecessary to go into that level of detail.
I also curious, have you had experience negotiating a salary increase or adjustment, or did you just move on when things didn't meet your expectations?
My example in the company:
Entry level (SPM) = 2 years of experience = 1000
Engineer = 3 years of experience = 2000
Average market rate = 3500

I’m still not sure why the market rate can't be a valid comparison. I briefly mentioned it to my boss, though I wasn’t really expecting much. But his response was more demoralizing than I expected.
I’m leaving soon anyway when I find better offer



QUOTE(incognitroll @ Mar 29 2025, 12:41 AM)
well, it's sad to hear that everything seems to be centered around you. you did extra but selective work, you think it's not worth it to do overtime, you need time for family, and you feel underpaid.

talking here also gives the impression that you are actually holding back your effort because you think it's not worthwhile. maybe you should start thinking about what the company needs and put in all your effort to contribute. by that time, i believe you wouldn’t even have to bargain for a higher salary. if you have to bargain, then you know you haven’t done enough in their eyes. if you want to wait for them to show their appreciation first before you start putting in the work, well, if one of your subordinates had this attitude, what would you do?
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They aren't making any effort to improve for their own work. Whenever something comes up, they just say they don't know how to handle it and expect me to step in. Or, they use the boss's name to push me into doing things, even when it's not my responsibility (other department, e.g, I created their company website for free). Always the urgent / last minute works, as if I owe them something.
Also, while I’m already expected to them to amend my work to their preferences to avoid potentially upsetting customers, when issues arise, the blame still falls on me simply because I was the one who communicated in the email.

It's not about putting myself above/highly anyone, but more about how their work culture just doesn’t align with mine, after enduring for 3 years+.

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post Mar 31 2025, 09:53 AM

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if salary cukup2 makan just do barely enough job and no need to do extra work..if other senior guy asked for help and u helped them, make sure u emailed them and also directors(taking ur own credit coz it is ur job & deserved it)...otherwise start looking for others job, u will be surprised how low u r paid or how more skillful u are...take any freelance job if any..
the boss or directors dont know u well personally and thinks u are not part of the "company family"..

good luck bro..remember if u die today, tomorrow they got replacement for u
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post Mar 31 2025, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 31 2025, 09:28 AM)
400
5500-6000+ for 3 years+ experience, that's average, high about 6500+
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Syukur I work in penang with 3+ years yet earning much more than high
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post Mar 31 2025, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(chilskater @ Mar 31 2025, 09:53 AM)
if salary cukup2 makan just do barely enough job and no need to do extra work..if other senior guy asked for help and u helped them, make sure u emailed them and also directors(taking ur own credit coz it is ur job & deserved it)...otherwise start looking for others job, u will be surprised how low u r paid or how more skillful u are...take any freelance job if any..
the boss or directors dont know u well personally and thinks u are not part of the "company family"..

good luck bro..remember if u die today, tomorrow they got replacement for u
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Well said, love your statement 😍🔥
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post Mar 31 2025, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(JimmyX @ Mar 31 2025, 09:43 AM)
I’m still not sure why the market rate can't be a valid comparison. I briefly mentioned it to my boss, though I wasn’t really expecting much. But his response was more demoralizing than I expected.
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