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kelvinng92
post Mar 3 2025, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Mar 3 2025, 04:29 AM)
Yr like putting yr wallet at places where every one can see and access , when yr wallet kena stolen shock Pikachu pulak
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Mar 3 2025, 08:34 AM)
USB debugging is like leaving your house kitchen door unlock. Don't risk it.
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Actually disagree with this example, even usb debugging is enabled, you still need to trust the device first to access, so there is still one more security layer to go through.

QUOTE(Paradigmata @ Mar 3 2025, 04:26 AM)
Now my Pb bank and mae app I see gave such warning.

How can developer mode and USB debugging mode breach bank app security?
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developer mode usually not the issue but the usb debugging/wireless debugging, but some developers just simply choose to checking for developer mode instead of specific feature block.
I would say it's for prevention and to cater for "don't know what they are doing" person and this affect legit users. Banks probably use owasp-mastg as guideline.
- to reduce attack vector (to the bank app or the user).
- harmful / unknown sources app can still trick user to make it as trusted device.
- someone has your unlocked device access and install harmful apps.
- if there is a new exploit to bypass trusted access.
- unknown charging/usb port that try to gain trusted access and some people will just simply click trust it because it disturb what they are doing and don't know what is it.
- unauthorized screen mirroring/remote/key-logging (after gained trusted access).
- and probably more

kelvinng92
post Mar 3 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 3 2025, 11:42 AM)
They do that because they want to force install their malicious apps in your phone and don't want you to remove them on purpose.Some of these telemetry apps even steals your surfing habits, data which you use daily and many of your personal inputs reporting them back to the manufacturers servers claimed for improvement purposes.

It actually work both ways.

Those ad blocker apps actually do you good but the content ad-tracking companies such as Google and Meta don't like you blocking their ads for loss of revenues. So they include those apps as illegal/security risks tools in their security patches.

Knowledgeable users of course know what they're doing, those ad-blocking/telemetry apps are not security risk apps but are revenue loss to Google/Meta.

But why do you think these corporations include them as illegal risky security apps under their security patches?
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I think you misunderstanding this, he mean the bank apps check for apps that not installed from Google Play Store, but some chinese phone manufacturer (xiaomi, poco, oppo, etc) come with preloaded apps that are not downloaded from Play Store.

The android developer usually either, many of them are iphone user or using those samsung, etc, company didn't provide variety of testing phone brand to test or any cloud devices service. The developers will need to whitelist those preloaded apps if they are implementing this mechanism.
kelvinng92
post Mar 3 2025, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 3 2025, 12:20 PM)
There was once, when I used ad-blocker on my phone those banking apps wouldn't load.I think it's still happening occasionally..

What does that mean? Our online bank portals have been known to use malicious domains that are being abused by ad trackers?

Do the banks prefer you to receive malicious ads and are encouraging you not to install ad-blockers for "their" security reasons of protecting their ads revenues side businesses?
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I think your reply already out of the topic and not relevant, suggest you to reread what he said again.

1. Public bank apps flagged one of his installed apps as red flag (which most likely mean from unknown source or not from Google Play Store)
2. The apps actually pre-installed or downloaded through the OS update from Oppo (can be Oppo Camera/Gallery apps or whatever, I not sure as I not using Oppo), but Public bank app only check for apps that installed/downloaded from Play Store which disqualified these apps.
3. I didn't use public bank so I assume the user blocked from using the public bank app.
kelvinng92
post Mar 4 2025, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 4 2025, 02:20 PM)
Yes you understood what I wrote. Public bank app didn't block me from using the app yet even though they have flagged those apps installed together as part of OS security patches by the phone manufacturer like Oppo/Pocco/etc....but who knows in the future they might do so?
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Since they didn't block then I guess should be no worry much for now, if they doing this they gonna get backfired as this few brand typically are cheap range phone, there are quite a number of people who use them. Generally will only block usb debugging, as this setting doesn't affect regular user.
kelvinng92
post Mar 4 2025, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 4 2025, 01:22 PM)
Ad-blockers actually operate in a very simple concept.

It updates with the latest list of blacklisted domain addresses and force redirect them to a void IP that loads nothing.Preventing your privacy from being leaked back to the hacker's data collection servers.

These domain addresses are supposed to be malicious because hackers and data thefts usually forwards your stolen data back to their own base when they collect them from your device/PC.

The strange thing is why when we enable ad-blockers, the banking apps also seize to load and force close?

Don't you think there's devil in the details?

Malicious domain links that are believed to be data retrieval servers when blocked also prevents your banking apps from loading? icon_idea.gif
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Just some correction, the blacklisted domains not necessarily are all malicious (depend on which list are using), some list include blocking analytics tools domain like Google Analytics as well, companies use those for data collection and analysis.
Not sure which functionality you looking at, but one of the example that get functionality break I knew is those universal link/deep linking third party services like adjust, branch, appsflyer, etc which usually came with analytics data collection. Their functionality (especially deferred deep link) will get affected as the universal ink (something like a shorten link) need to process through their server to get proper navigation linking in the apps. Companies use them for the universal link + analytics + push notification campaign + more as solution instead of implement their own from scratch.
kelvinng92
post Mar 4 2025, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 4 2025, 03:17 PM)
It's like saying Google Analytics are saints and cyber criminals cannot abuse their solutions for unethical purposes?
Also call centre scammers have been imposing as Microsoft tech support experts for so many years os well known thing.

It's all grey area. They have their own interests which might not be the same as the public due to revenues reasons.

To block them is actually a good way to avoid unwanted issues. Why can't the bank use their own trusted domains for the sole purpose of their services?
That way they can reduce phishing better.

Or they actually have secret collaboration with these ad companies that they are not revealing to their customers?
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I never said Google Analytics are saints sweat.gif . Companies usually use those third party services to save the development cost and time, especially when those marketing/business team demand for something to roll out fast. Build from scratch takes a lot of cost, people and time, when there are many complete, featured-rich and ready solution out there.

What data to be submitted to those third party service server also decided by developer, usually not bodoh to feed sensitive data into it and their security team should also review it.

Of course you can block them, and it is the developer responsibility to at least keep the main functionality to work properly.

Information or data leaked can be also from insider/staff though, but this will depend how they manage their security sop within the company.

 

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