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MAGAMan-X
post Feb 9 2025, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Jan 10 2025, 01:05 PM)
What now?
Found during annual check, wasn't even pre-diabetic on prior check
Doc just said lifestyle change gave some meds and that's it.

No resources or anything.
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It may surprise you to know that most doctors have no clue how to take care of health. Their job is sick care, not health care. That's why you see so many fat doctors these days. If a doctor is fat, don't take health advice from them.

QUOTE(ry8128 @ Jan 10 2025, 01:10 PM)
Rrk74 kena diabetes? What what now? Just cut down on all sugary drinks and foods la. Eat more vegetables. Fruits a bit as those have sugar too. Carbs also cut down, eat more lean meat.
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I would say completely eliminate carbs. The amount of dietary carbs and fiber the human body need is exactly zero.

Eat more fatty meat, not lean meat. Contrary to popular belief, saturated fat is not bad for you. Polyunsaturated fats, aka seed oils, on the other hand, are. They're pro-inflammatory, and consist largely of phytosterols, which is poor building material for your cells.

QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jan 30 2025, 06:08 PM)
Can gg kidneys
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Is it, how?

QUOTE(Sha91 @ Jan 30 2025, 06:18 PM)
Haip don't curse TS please. Everything must be now taken moderate.
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What is moderate? What does a "moderate" meal look like?
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post Mar 8 2025, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(inspiron @ Feb 28 2025, 12:20 PM)
where do you get the idea that you dont need fiber?
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If you "need" fiber, why do you shit it out?
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post Mar 8 2025, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Mar 2 2025, 11:04 PM)
Was on Metformin & Glimicron for years. Earlier this year the doctor stopped those & prescribed insulin because of the CKD.
I was diagnosed with stage 3a about 1 year ago. No specialized diet at the moment. Eating balanced meals, meds & exercise.
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I don't know if you've asked yourself this, but why would any doctor need to prescribe insulin? Are you having T1 diabetes? Are you pancreas not able to produce insulin?
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post Mar 8 2025, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Mar 4 2025, 06:11 AM)
You know la appointment to see specialist is quite slow to get in govt hospital. Anyway the KK doctor has prescribed folic acid, vit B complex & iron tablets, on top of Amlopidine which I'm already taking.

There are many FB treatment & supplement sellers who claim can heal CKD but I always thought it cannot be reversed.
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Why do you need to take supplements? Are you not getting enough from your diet? Have you questioned the bioavailability of the supplements you're taking?

I don't know if YOUR CKD is reversable, but a body is in its parasympathetic state it wants to heal, no matter whatever that injury is, even cancer. Whether or not it is able to heal depends on how much damage it has taken, and whether it has the sufficient materials to fix the damage. If you're constantly putting your body in a sympathetic state, or insulting, it will not be optimized for healing.
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post Mar 8 2025, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 8 2025, 04:20 PM)
That is what happening to me mostly when monitoring glucose level.
After 12 midnite, It will start to drop until 7mol once wake up...
once I wake up, it will start climbing back even I didn't even have breakfast..
Seem fasting is the best way...

Skip breakfast or have a non sugary drink....
The glucose in my case will start only dropping to 5mol usually near noon or by 2pm latest.

So if I binge lunch.... The reading will double up and will fall that if I control my lunch.... If not.... All the way to 6pm before I harakiri insulin...
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That's called the "Dawn phenomenon".

Your body kicks up cortisol to raise your blood sugar (amongst other things) so you can wake up. Nothing to worry about.

Skipping breakfast is healthier than most people think. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT the most important meal of the day. It's a scam by Kelloggs to get people to eat their cereal.
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post Mar 9 2025, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Mar 8 2025, 07:04 PM)
Need to take the test to determined.

Mine is Type-1
Was on Metformin and Tranaligpin for years and because my diet were bad, so glucose level over the roof

Symptoms:
Hunger all the time
Weight loss of 20kg
Urinate frequently
Thirsty all the time
Wound not healing properly
Foot pain all the time
Feeling fatigue all the time

2 weeks ago, it was 21.5 mmol/g when did a health check.
Doctor prescribed insulin to me, 15ml x3 at the moment
Monitor 3x a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner)
Before take insulin and after take insulin + meal

Night -> morning - glucose level lowest at 7.5 mmol/g

Have to report to doctor every time, on the chat lol, show her what I ate and then been scolded all the time

Right now:
All symptoms is gone

Feeling better.
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If you're having Type 1 diabetes, why are you prescribed metformin? Metformin is for type 2 diabetes. If you have type 1 diabetes and your blood glucose was through the roof, you should be given insulin shots, not metformin. I'm not a doctor but anyone with a basic understanding of the human body will know this. And you'd know this early in life because Type 1 is childhood diabetes.

UNLESS You're actually a type 1.5 diabetes, i.e. you have type 2 diabetes which then either through glycation destroyed your pancreas' beta cells (or they're simply exhausted) ability to produce insulin.

Naturally, the obvious solution here is to consume zero carbs. No doctor will recommend this because you won't need to go back for insulin, and right now you're a cash cow for them.
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post Mar 9 2025, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Mar 9 2025, 07:10 AM)
I’ve no idea, I had been prescribed with metformin and tranaligpin for years. Been to few different hospital, all these doctor gave me the same prescription. There are also one hospital doctor kinda gave me wrong diagnosis causing me more pain for few months.. that’s another story

It was working until it was not (because I didn’t control my diet -> roti canai, teh Tarik, sweet drink (chagee) Starbucks, latte.
And I don’t work out and exercise at all, too lazy and busy

Since I have 2 kids now, recent body fatigue motivate me to re do health check at one of most expensive hospital in vietnam (I emigrate here, as my wife is Vietnamese)

This new doctor when first visit and look at my leg ( wound that healed but dark) and medical report, was angry that I’m young and already had all this condition, she loook genuine.

So she said dont take metformin anymore:
1. No carb (rice, noodles, bread, fried thing)
2. Exercise
3. Take insulin and report to her every single time on what food I ate, the glucose level.

She will then advise me on the dose of insulin to take as well. She prescribed 1 month of insulin for me.

The health system here in vietnam:
Doctor prescribed meds, and these meds you get yourself either in hospital or outside at the pharmacy.
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Sounds like the msian doctor just prescribed you meds without knowing whatever for. They're just following algorithms that they've been given either by the medical "guidelines" or by pharma. There are A LOT of kooky msian doctors, and I've seen only a handful for good ones. That's the thing about msians though, they'd take meds for YEARS and their condition don't improve and they won't ask questions... really facepalm.

It's a good thing you've met a more sensible doctor in Vietnam. At least she knows the key is to stop carb intake. Once you get to a good metabolic state, and you know what's a good diet, you won't even need to take the insulin shots anymore, and stop being a cash cow for the medical industrial complex.

QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Mar 9 2025, 08:22 AM)
She also give me this.

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Did you test Peptid-C ? This is to determine type of diabetes
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Small input. Red meat is not harmful and is very nutritious, and animal organs are also nutrient rich and if consumed proportionally. Dietary cholesterol is not a health concern. The highest risk of any heart disease is metabolic syndrome, not cholesterol. In fact, you need cholesterol to heal your cells.

You can easily tell what type of diabetes by looking at blood glucose and body weight. T1D folks don't get fat, and probably has ketoacidosis. C-peptide is measure to see how much insulin you're producing, it's helpful to see if you're insulin resistant, or your pancrease's beta cells are exhausted.
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post Mar 9 2025, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ Mar 8 2025, 07:02 PM)
Correct, the insulin is to help glucose to be absorbed by cell and convert to energy.

Without that, your body cannot absorb the glucose (no energy) and you will become slim.
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I would phrase it as insulin signals the cells to open the doors for glucose to enter the cells. Even without insulin the cells can produce energy via fatty acid metabolism. Both glucose and fatty acids are metabolized through the citric acid cycle (a.k.a Krebs cycle). When you get chronic elevated insulin levels (from consuming a high carb diet), your cells become insulin resistant, and eventually you get diabetes.

So even without insulin, your body will be fine as long as you have enough fatty acids for energy.
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post Mar 9 2025, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Mar 9 2025, 11:07 AM)
That’s the reason why I lost 20kg

No matter how much I ate keep losing weight.. because since I don’t have enough insulin, it burn 🔥 too much energy
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Yeah.... that's not how the body works. The body "burns" whatever energy it needs. That's why people feel satiated if you eat a nutritious meal, that's your body telling "hey I have enough materials". It doesn't burn too much energy. Only problem is, the human body is not meant to use carbs as the primary fuel source, and people have been told for 60 years to eat a "balanced diet" of 40-50% carbs, and people feel hungry shortly after because how devoid of nutrient a high carb diet is.
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post Mar 16 2025, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Mar 9 2025, 01:16 PM)
You are well inform and knowledgeable about this, are you in medical field or read a lot medical journal?
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You just need to learn how the body works. You'd be surprised how many doctors don't.

QUOTE(jibpek @ Mar 9 2025, 01:40 PM)
I am only responding to his message saying that he had slimed down.

Sliming down quickly after getting diabetics is not a good sign. Means his body can't utilize the glucose.

Thats all.

Why need to bring in insulin, fatty acids etc?
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If his body "can't utilize glucose", the only reasonable explanation is because of the Randle cycle. Otherwise glucose metabolism is part of the citric acid cycle, which every cell is capable of. Losing weight does not at all mean the body is unable to utilize glucose.

QUOTE(RGRaj @ Mar 11 2025, 09:47 PM)
I'm T2. Reduction or stopping of Metformin is recommend at higher stages of CKD. Thus insulin is prescribed.
Anemia diagnosed from the blood test. And I'm having longterm IBS-C thus digestion of nutrients is always an issue. The injured nephrons in the kidneys  cannot be healed. Not by known current treatments anyway.
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I don't understand the logic, why isn't stopping carb intake the prescription if you're t2D? You won't have to take Metformin NOR the insulin.


QUOTE(inspiron @ Mar 13 2025, 08:43 AM)
replace the word "fiber" above and interchange shit it out with pee it out

vitamin pee
water pee
protein shit
carbo shit

you dont even know the basic of shit and you want to talk about diabetic?
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Actually, that's absolutely applicable too. You pee vitamin because your body doesn't want it. You pee the water because you body doesn't want it (or rather, don't want the stuff in the water), same for protein and you should hope you're not peeing carbs, because that means you're diabetic.

Ok, since you want to insist fiber is necessary, tell me how it is digested by humans.

 

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