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post Jan 6 2025, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(hdbjhn2 @ Jan 6 2025, 10:07 PM)
That is exactly very much wat i really want by heart and my reptillian brain lol.
Reliable i hope so. But the thing is,,
1. very few being sold.
2. price also,, 16k. out of my comfort range. not including spending for it's maintenance later on, which brings to point 3,
3. For all other Toyota or Saga,, i can find lots of part being sold, Oem and Ori supplies, price still reasonable.
But for this CIvic,, not only parts hard to get,, things like engine mounting, etc,, ada pun OEM only,, i couldn't fine ori parts,, all Thai or Oem Japan.
SO,, i'm scared. Lagi2, that K20a,, i don't know if mechanics will ramp the price.

DOes Honda Sell it's part still?

SO, by desire, i nk that car. but, logic brain says,,, it's so risky at that price.
If Saga all, i will still have money left that i burn for car.

For me, if i can get one in good condition,, 16-17k,,i won't transplant,, but will try to fully restore hbis,,
ori parts, proper mechanics that really knows,, not the one that just jnji pasang sudah.
And that,, i will take a good care, that car should be a nice and reliable.
BUt,,i don't how is reality.

Just, mybe i will have slightly lowered spring. Sporty absorber. Same size wheel thought.
The steering still hydraulic right?

BUt u said, u already did type R swap. How was ur experience,, who knows i can try in near future,,hehe.
Is the type R engine much heavier?? uses same mounting??
How about spring and arm and absorber? All same or different??
And the 6 speed manual,, clutch ,, hows the price?
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My civic is fantastic, it can put at smile on my face and I can laugh like orang gila sometimes when I'm crazy.
Ori parts available, but type R more expensive than normal la. Clutch set will set you back around RM1.2k for original together with NTN bearings. I was using Ogura clutch krrinng krriing sound one before I change back to original due to too much traffic in penang island. Parts available la, its a honda, toyota.

Btw my first car I started with the Toyota SEG AE101 with 4AGE 20V blacktop engine, also 6 speed manual. stock 165hp, Very fun to drive and cheaper for parts. It was already a 20 years old car when I bought it.
Then after 7 years I upgrade to Nissan sentra B13 with SR20VE 20V engine, also 6 speed manual. Modded 225hp, scary to drive due to handling not so good and the chassis was a bit short for my 183cm height.
Then after 2 years I upgrade to this Civic Type Penipu R. So far this is the best car yet.

Enjoy your car journey la, experience it, good and bad. Its a cheap car anyway, B40-M40 car to play lol.
For Civic ET, you can use back the original engine mountings. For my civic ES, need to change it to the Hasport mountings. Much stiffer but the engine no goyang at all and better grip during launch.
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post Jan 6 2025, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 6 2025, 12:15 PM)
If it me with that budget, any Proton car with campro cps, either Waja cps or Gen2 cps. Saw last time from FB marketplace, waja Cps manual at rm6.5k.

That engine is reliable free same with the GB, either manual or 4 gear auto that are miles better than Punch CVT
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power train reliable,, but every other component,, hmm,,
im listing down and thnking.
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post Jan 6 2025, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(hdbjhn2 @ Jan 3 2025, 09:50 AM)
Aeroback or the earliest version?
Well, not to boost, but I think i done more than how average people take cares, been always a lil too gentle(except recently my Kembara haha).

Like i said, my father babied that car, never given hard acceleration from start stop also. Majorly town use though. If highway, 80-90max.
It's just, my house is kinda steep hilly place, daily basis. Still didn't drive at high rpm or too low rpm. Changed oil without miss.
Still stopped shifting from 3rd to 4th.
By comparison, under same situation my Kembara gearbox for the abuse i gave(no choice since it's kinda slow), 160k+, same like first day i get it at 120k.
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I used to own. Wira aero a k 1.6 auto, drove almost 200k without any issue
No need gentle, whack the car full throttle many times, tested top speed 178kmh,
Done transmission oil change every 40k and filter every 80k.
No issue t all
Bullet proof car

Then changed to waja, fuel pump issue stranded 2 times on highway.
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post Jan 6 2025, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(hdbjhn2 @ Jan 6 2025, 11:28 PM)
power train reliable,, but every other component,, hmm,,
im listing down and thnking.
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The other components are affordable and can purchase via shopee.
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post Jan 7 2025, 12:39 AM

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Can consider persona sv
1.6, 4AT, 4 disk brakes, abs and ebd

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post Jan 7 2025, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(bingozero @ Jan 7 2025, 12:39 AM)
Can consider persona sv
1.6, 4AT, 4 disk brakes, abs and ebd
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Good also. My buddies using this now still at 450k km and counting. Only use regular fully synthetic oil from shopee mall + ATF also from shopee mall.

Major part change/repair is the alternator, he sent it to Kepong famous workshop for restoring the old Alternator at 300k km mileage last time

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post Jan 7 2025, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(hdbjhn2 @ Jan 6 2025, 10:26 PM)
https://www.mudah.my/2011-proton-saga-1-6-f...n-106018915.htm
is this ok?

about myvi,, good cond,, most above 15k,, below that,, usually too old or hgh mileage or questionable cond.
Also,,, i mmg tk mahu myviiii,, haha,, too sad,,, nooooooo.

2. 1st gen altis, yeap, ok. was my first choice. But, i hv to get someone to check first. The gearbox and engine is main.
Interior all, i can live with it,, no issue, hehe.

3. Vios,, basically same price like Altis also,, though part were a lil more cheaper. Hmm.
+ i like altis more. seeking that.
But since u said,, most drivetrain used still in 2014 vios, means,, i won't have to worry much in future.
How about altis?
Avanza,, kinda heavy and not necessary for me. i generally tak suka tall, suv, boxy vehicles, haha.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. will look more into this.
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That looks like a FL Exec (cloth seats, red tail lamps and BLM meter).

An ex-colleague recently bought up his neighbor's 2001/2003 1.8 Altis owned since new as a daily. Mileage was just below 200K, but apart from some cosmetic wear n tear, d car was a pump petrol-and-go condition. Didn't hear him complain since owning it.

Also sharing as owner n having bought some used cars when they r 10yrs+-. My personal general conclusion (apologies if this sounds sarcastic or biased) is a very large number of P1 and P2 cars get minimum care by 2nd owners onwards especially after they no longer qualify for hire and purchase (eg, use cheap grade aftermarket parts n engine oil while extending services causing sludge build-up, very worn and often torn interiors, most suspension n bushes r tired causing very noticeable play and sounds although still 'drivable', parked under d weather all d time but only washed with water once a blue moon ruining paintwork much quicker).

It is also mindful that entry level models like Vios and City are often 'd new driver's car' (eg. driven hard, encountered plenty of newbie accidents), or d 'pasar-car'/'mom's school car' making them d highest mileage car in d household or s'times highest wear due to regular short driving in stop-start traffic. Also as d bottom rung models of d brand, they r more crudely/'efficiently' engineered eg. more usage of plastic components and clips or d materials are of a lower grade than d the manufacturer's next step up model.

In short at this price range I think its easier to look for at least a C-segment even if they hv higher wear. However condition of d vehicle regardless of age or category should come 1st, n with patience once a while 1 or 2 of them will appear for sale. Happy hunting.
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post Jan 7 2025, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 6 2025, 11:38 PM)
I used to own. Wira aero a k 1.6 auto, drove almost 200k without any issue
No need gentle, whack the car full throttle many times, tested top speed 178kmh,
Done transmission oil change every 40k and filter every 80k.
No issue t all
Bullet proof car

Then changed to waja, fuel pump issue stranded 2 times on highway.
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sweat.gif , wow,, full throttle, many times lagi eh? haha,
I guess there's always a very different experience from someone. But this much of big gap. I wish mine last that way, i liked that car.
From my side, AFAIK, that F4A22 gb was famous fragile(not just own exp but heard/seen from few others too).
Afterall, wira 1.6 was scarce compared to 1.5/1.3.
Some tried installing atf cooler but once ade issue, restoring it was almost impossible.
To extend, driving waja 1.6 at at that time felt like big relieve, was way more reliable and that one can whack.

Though, while it was working, never gave any issue though, drived like charm for that class of car at that time.
Top speed, reached 230+(kinda downhill, but now veryy steeo) once, all down hill up hill felt roller coster lol.

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Jan 7 2025, 09:30 AM)
That looks like a FL Exec (cloth seats, red tail lamps and BLM meter).

An ex-colleague recently bought up his neighbor's 2001/2003 1.8 Altis owned since new as a daily. Mileage was just below 200K, but apart from some cosmetic wear n tear, d car was a pump petrol-and-go condition. Didn't hear him complain since owning it.

Also sharing as owner n having bought some used cars when they r 10yrs+-. My personal general conclusion (apologies if this sounds sarcastic or biased) is a very large number of P1 and P2 cars get minimum care by 2nd owners onwards especially after they no longer qualify for hire and purchase (eg, use cheap grade aftermarket parts n engine oil while extending services causing sludge build-up, very worn and often torn interiors, most suspension n bushes r tired causing very noticeable play and sounds although still 'drivable', parked under d weather all d time but only washed with water once a blue moon ruining paintwork much quicker).

It is also mindful that entry level models like Vios and City are often 'd new driver's car' (eg. driven hard, encountered plenty of newbie accidents), or d 'pasar-car'/'mom's school car' making them d highest mileage car in d household or s'times highest wear due to regular short driving in stop-start traffic. Also as d bottom rung models of d brand, they r more crudely/'efficiently' engineered eg. more usage of plastic components and clips or d materials are of a lower grade than d the manufacturer's next step up model.

In short at this price range I think its easier to look for at least a C-segment even if they hv higher wear. However condition of d vehicle regardless of age or category should come 1st, n with patience once a while 1 or 2 of them will appear for sale. Happy hunting.
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Wow, thanks a lot for explaining to me. It all does makes sense actually, no bias.
No matter how, used cars comes with downs i can't escape.
It's all about total cost in long run.

C-segment, for now, all i can see is Camry 2.0 2000-2004.

"efficiently' engineered" is also true,, but i struggle to get tech information for some models.
For now, i'm on Altis.
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QUOTE(hdbjhn2 @ Jan 7 2025, 11:38 PM)
Wow, thanks a lot for explaining to me. It all does makes sense actually, no bias.
No matter how, used cars comes with downs  i can't escape.
It's all about total cost in long run.

C-segment, for now, all i can see is Camry 2.0 2000-2004.

"efficiently' engineered" is also true,, but i struggle to get tech information for some models.
For now, i'm on Altis.
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Or if u dont mind manual, take Vios Dugong J spec. The fuel consumption is top notch. Engine wise, good

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