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post Dec 8 2024, 08:06 AM, updated 2y ago

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Replacing an electric vehicle battery costs significantly more than replacing the engine of a traditional combustion engine car. However, experts predict this could change by the decade’s end, with an EV battery replacement potentially becoming less expensive.

Recurrent, an electric vehicle consumer information provider, predicted a large EV battery pack could cost just around $5,000 by 2030. More standard models might only require about $3,375. It’s a reduction to just 30% of the battery replacement costs seen in 2020.

Industry analysts forecasted that the costs of key battery metals will decline in the coming years, potentially driving down the cost of purchasing a new EV battery.

Lower battery replacement costs could make EV ownership more accessible and significantly impact the used car market.

The average price of a used EV is around $25,000, but the prospect of adding a $20,000 battery to that total means it could be just as expensive to buy a new car altogether. As the price of replacing a battery decreases, consumers looking for a used EV may no longer have to deal with substantial future repair costs.

https://san.com/cc/ev-battery-replacement-c...gas-car-engine/
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:15 AM

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Over the years, most of us experienced that China produces battery do not have any quality control.

You can have very low price battery but is it a factory reject?
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:16 AM

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How often we change car engine

But we pump petrol almost every week

Time saved on charging can be used elsewhere
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:38 AM

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Huh, what? Only want change battery? Then EV factories all halt production? Lol.
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:41 AM

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I've been driving cars for 30 years, never change engine. car sold and change new one every 10 years.
why people so obsessed with changing engine?
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:43 AM

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experts predict this could change by the decade’s end,

Wake me up when the decade ends.
After all the beta testers reported back their experience
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:57 AM

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The battery if rosak only the faulty ones are removed. It's not an entire piece.
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post Dec 8 2024, 08:58 AM

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LOL, which ice car need to change engine? LOL
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:04 AM

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Replacing an engine, i never change any engine in my 20 years of driving. lulz

By the time you have to change the battery, the car is worth less than the cost to replace the battery
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 8 2024, 08:15 AM)
Over the years, most of us experienced that China produces battery do not have any quality control.

You can have very low price battery but is it a factory reject?
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What kind of stupid article is this
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:07 AM

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Lol change engine. Ev try to make traditional car look bad. Please no one change engine, we just sell it.
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Dec 8 2024, 08:16 AM)
How often we change car engine

But we pump petrol almost every week

Time saved on charging can be used elsewhere
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The idea is to remove the time at the petrol pump mostly. Charge at home, or once it gets more widespread, at your parking lot.

But overall, I guess the costs are going to be similar if not more expensive. EV feels less like a car, and more like a planned obsolescence iPhone-like-gadget. Old computer desktops can last 7 years or more, phones and tablets, 2-3 years to coincide with telco plans. ICE cars can last decades, EV cars will be lucky to get to 10 years.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 8 2024, 09:08 AM)
The idea is to remove the time at the petrol pump mostly. Charge at home, or once it gets more widespread, at your parking lot.

But overall, I guess the costs are going to be similar if not more expensive. EV feels less like a car, and more like a planned obsolescence iPhone-like-gadget. Old computer desktops can last 7 years or more, phones and tablets, 2-3 years to coincide with telco plans. ICE cars can last decades, EV cars will be lucky to get to 10 years.
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I’m hoping 10 years later autonomous taxi will be reality then we don’t even need to buy new car already. Only car hobbyists will still keep and maintain their classic cars.
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QUOTE(yushin @ Dec 8 2024, 09:11 AM)
I’m hoping 10 years later autonomous taxi will be reality then we don’t even need to buy new car already. Only car hobbyists will still keep and maintain their classic cars.
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Grab kan ada.

If you go through the math, it may not be all that expensive to just use public transport and Grab. No maintenance, tyre changes, no need to queue at petrol station, road tax, insurance, parking, all the kaya butter toast speedsters on the roads. If you don't have kids or use your car every day for >1 hour, really can consider.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 8 2024, 09:08 AM)
The idea is to remove the time at the petrol pump mostly. Charge at home, or once it gets more widespread, at your parking lot.

But overall, I guess the costs are going to be similar if not more expensive. EV feels less like a car, and more like a planned obsolescence iPhone-like-gadget. Old computer desktops can last 7 years or more, phones and tablets, 2-3 years to coincide with telco plans. ICE cars can last decades, EV cars will be lucky to get to 10 years.
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Bro, I spend more time at toilet pooping than at petrol pumps

True story
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:26 AM

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EV motor will cost how much to change?

ICE also got fo much electric components that fail. Sure in EV got more.
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Get a hybrid.
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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ Dec 8 2024, 09:26 AM)
EV motor will cost how much to change?

ICE also got fo much electric components that fail. Sure in EV got more.
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 8 2024, 08:15 AM)
Over the years, most of us experienced that China produces battery do not have any quality control.

You can have very low price battery but is it a factory reject?
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most of the time u pay peanut u get monkey

just like iphone battery, SC charged you rm400 cant expect the same quality that u get from shopee for RM60
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Dec 8 2024, 09:04 AM)
Replacing an engine, i never change any engine in my 20 years of driving. lulz

By the time you have to change the battery, the car is worth less than the cost to replace the battery
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honda insight IMA battery

must be some reason why this 2011 car cost only rm13K now

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post Dec 8 2024, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Dec 8 2024, 09:46 AM)
most of the time u pay peanut u get monkey

just like iphone battery, SC charged you rm400 cant expect the same quality that u get from shopee for RM60
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Imagine getting a RM60 battery for your EV .....
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:52 AM

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That's a theory. In practical, can you still able to find battery for Nokia 3310? My kancil bought earlier than my 3310, kancil still running well. If it's an EV, should need a battery change to work.
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 8 2024, 09:49 AM)
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Imagine getting a RM60 battery for your EV .....
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perhaps in the future some users will swap it with better battery pack, modified it somehow


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Dec 8 2024, 09:48 AM)
honda insight IMA battery

must be some reason why this 2011 car cost only rm13K now

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According to my honda salesman, the costly circuit board makes this Honda Insight not worth to own. This is just his word, not proven yet nor I have any friends to verify this. I still saw some insight on the road.
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QUOTE(toughguy @ Dec 8 2024, 09:55 AM)
According to my honda salesman, the costly circuit board makes this Honda Insight not worth to own. This is just his word, not proven yet nor I have any friends to verify this. I still saw some insight on the road.
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I just asked the questions in the Insight thread

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...#entry110899016

hopefully the owners can answer it

I saw two Insight around my taman. maybe should ask them if I have a chance
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post Dec 8 2024, 10:08 AM

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By 2030, older EV cars already become scrap. No parts and no expertise to repair.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Dec 8 2024, 10:08 AM)
By 2030, older EV cars already become scrap. No parts and no expertise to repair.
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right now also die die need to send to SC otherwise warranty void

wanna repair outside also not easy, EV specialist aint cheap, their gloves also not cheap wei
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post Dec 8 2024, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Dec 8 2024, 09:46 AM)
most of the time u pay peanut u get monkey

just like iphone battery, SC charged you rm400 cant expect the same quality that u get from shopee for RM60
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Erm not really

iPhone battery is expensive cause they serialised their official battery and will give popup if you put in unauthorised battery, even if it’s genuine battery gotten straight from another iPhone.

You have no choice but to pay RM400 if you can’t accept having the popup. There’s RM60 battery from reputable manufacturers that’s as good if not better than ori iPhone battery, the price isn’t an indication of quality here.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Dec 8 2024, 09:53 AM)
perhaps in the future some users will swap it with better battery pack, modified it somehow
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or put a V8 engine into the Tesla?


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QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 8 2024, 10:18 AM)
Erm not really

iPhone battery is expensive cause they serialised their official battery and will give popup if you put in unauthorised battery, even if it’s genuine battery gotten straight from another iPhone.

You have no choice but to pay RM400 if you can’t accept having the popup. There’s RM60 battery from reputable manufacturers that’s as good if not better than ori iPhone battery, the price isn’t an indication of quality here.
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long before the popup thingy happened, the price of battery at SC is already damn expensive.

was talking about ip8 and below period

but yes, there are some third party battery provider that offer bang for bucks , but most of the time u need to do trial and error... so yeah...
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 8 2024, 10:25 AM)
or put a V8 engine into the Tesla?


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possible

they already did the engine swap with hybrid cr-z



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QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 8 2024, 10:18 AM)
Erm not really

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There’s RM60 battery from reputable manufacturers that’s as good if not better than ori iPhone battery, the price isn’t an indication of quality here.
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The guy on the street where will know which manufacturer is reputable. Also which battery is not fake?

Even for android phone, the shop will ask you which battery price range you want?
How to know betul2 you getting the reputable one and not fake?
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nonsense. The motor that drive the car also need maintenance & replacement. Nothing last forever
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 8 2024, 08:43 AM)
experts predict this could change by the decade’s end,

Wake me up when the decade ends.
After all the beta testers reported back their experience
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Decade end?

Ayam oledi becum fossil for petroleum
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10yrs later we'd all b piloting flying cars

u wan charge just fly into nearest lightning storm n get zapped few times

EVs will seem so passe then
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Ev Battery got half cut?
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Who the fuck replace whole car engine unless they went full retard?

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Looking forward to it. Would prefer a safer battery though even the supposedly safe byd blade do have thermal runaway issue.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 8 2024, 09:08 AM)
The idea is to remove the time at the petrol pump mostly. Charge at home, or once it gets more widespread, at your parking lot.

But overall, I guess the costs are going to be similar if not more expensive. EV feels less like a car, and more like a planned obsolescence iPhone-like-gadget. Old computer desktops can last 7 years or more, phones and tablets, 2-3 years to coincide with telco plans. ICE cars can last decades, EV cars will be lucky to get to 10 years.
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Why would the cost of metals decrease?
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Dec 8 2024, 08:06 AM)
Replacing an electric vehicle battery costs significantly more than replacing the engine of a traditional combustion engine car. However, experts predict this could change by the decade’s end, with an EV battery replacement potentially becoming less expensive.

Recurrent, an electric vehicle consumer information provider, predicted a large EV battery pack could cost just around $5,000 by 2030. More standard models might only require about $3,375. It’s a reduction to just 30% of the battery replacement costs seen in 2020.

Industry analysts forecasted that the costs of key battery metals will decline in the coming years, potentially driving down the cost of purchasing a new EV battery.

Lower battery replacement costs could make EV ownership more accessible and significantly impact the used car market.

The average price of a used EV is around $25,000, but the prospect of adding a $20,000 battery to that total means it could be just as expensive to buy a new car altogether. As the price of replacing a battery decreases, consumers looking for a used EV may no longer have to deal with substantial future repair costs.

https://san.com/cc/ev-battery-replacement-c...gas-car-engine/
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QUOTE(pureawesomeness @ Dec 8 2024, 09:26 AM)
EV motor will cost how much to change?

ICE also got fo much electric components that fail. Sure in EV got more.
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Tesla EV motor costs about US$6k to change.

EV motors fail more frequently than EV batteries.
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Remind me my 20 years old proton and Perodua
Shit, need to change engine if according to that.

18 yrs old Honda CR-V just got quotation 4-5k lumpsum change engine include official procedure.

 

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