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post Nov 2 2024, 05:50 PM, updated 2y ago

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KUALA LUMPUR: Khazanah Nasional Bhd says Fashion Valet Sdn Bhd (FashionValet) was a promising homegrown e-commerce platform when it invested RM27 million for a nine per cent stake in 2018.

Explaining its investment and subsequent disposal of the stake, Khazanah deemed the divestment in late 2023 as "a responsible exit" after the sovereign wealth fund had reached its "targeted holding period".

At the time (2018), the company was a promising homegrown e-commerce fashion platform with more than 400 brands and 15,000 products on its platform and expecting revenue growth of about60 per cent annually.

"Our investment rationale was anchored on the theme of Offline-to-Online e-commerce, as well as a commitment to support Malaysian entrepreneurs and promising early-stage companies," it said in a statement tonight.

The statement was indirectly in response to Communications Minister Fahmi Fadzil's call for Khazanah and FashionValet to promptly address public concerns regarding their recent transaction.


On Tuesday, the Finance Ministry said Khazanah and Permodalan Nasional Bhd (PNB) had sold their collective stakes in FashionValet, Malaysia's first fashion e-commerce platform, for RM3.1 million.

The sale marked a significant loss compared to their initial RM47 million investment.

In a written parliamentary reply, the Finance Ministry revealed that Khazanah had invested RM27 million and PNB RM20 million in 2018 to acquire minority stakes in FashionValet.

Khazanah said over the years, FashionValet had faced challenges, most of which were exacerbated by Covid-19 including in expanding its platform.

This required FashionValet to shift focus from being an e-commerce platform for Southeast Asian brands to growing its wholly-owned in-house brands, Duck and Lilit, in order to preserve its operating margins and cashflow.

FashionValet also took measures to rationalise costs and streamline operations, but continued to face challenges, including in securing capital during the difficult fundraising environment in 2022-2023.

"In late 2023, NXBT Partners, led by a seasoned Malaysian entrepreneur, offered to acquire existing shareholders' stakes and inject capital into the company.

"In view of the company's urgent need for funds to continue operations, and the fact that the investment had reached the end of its targeted holding period, Khazanah considered and accepted the offer.

"The divestment represented a responsible exit to transfer ownership to a party who could help guide the company to a new growth trajectory," it said.

Khazanah said it will continue to invest responsibly and manage assets towards sustainable multi-generational returns for the country.

As part of its Advancing Malaysia strategy anchored on "A Nation that Creates" framework, Khazanah said it remains committed to transforming Malaysian firms of all sizes to increase national productivity and competitiveness, aligned with the GEAR-uP programme, led by the Finance Ministry.

"We believe that the start-up ecosystem is a vital engine for innovation, economic growth and job creation in Malaysia.

"Despite the higher inherent investment risks and challenges with early-stage companies, Khazanah is fully dedicated to supporting local start-ups and will continue to promote their success and expansion," it added.




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1 November 2024

Khazanah Nasional clarifies its divestment in FashionValet

Khazanah Nasional (“Khazanah”) had invested RM27m to acquire a 9% stake in FashionValet (“Company”) in 2018. At the time, the Company was a promising homegrown e-commerce fashion platform with more than 400 brands and 15,000 products on its platform and expecting revenue growth of ~60% annually. Our investment rationale was anchored on the theme of Offline-to-Online e-commerce, as well as a commitment to support Malaysian entrepreneurs and promising early-stage companies.

Over the years, the Company faced challenges, most of which were exacerbated by COVID-19, including in expanding its platform. This required FashionValet, under the guidance of its Board of Directors and shareholders, to shift focus from being an ecommerce platform for Southeast Asian brands to growing its wholly-owned in-house brands, Duck and Lilit, in order to preserve the Company’s operating margins and cashflow. The Company also took measures to rationalise costs and streamline operations, but continued to face challenges, including in securing capital during the difficult fundraising environment in 2022-2023.

In late 2023, NXBT Partners, led by a seasoned Malaysian entrepreneur, offered to acquire existing shareholders’ stakes and inject capital into the Company. In view of the Company’s urgent need for funds to continue operations, and the fact that the investment had reached the end of its targeted holding period, Khazanah considered and accepted the offer. The divestment represented a responsible exit to transfer ownership to a party who could help guide the Company to a new growth trajectory.

As the sovereign wealth fund of the nation, Khazanah will continue to invest responsibly and manage assets towards sustainable multigenerational returns for the country. As part of Khazanah’s Advancing Malaysia strategy anchored on “A Nation that Creates” framework, we remain committed to transforming Malaysian firms of all sizes to increase national productivity and competitiveness, aligned with the GEAR-uP programme, led by the Ministry of Finance.

We believe that the start-up ecosystem is a vital engine for innovation, economic growth and job creation in Malaysia. Despite the higher inherent investment risks and challenges with early-stage companies, Khazanah is fully dedicated to supporting local start-ups and will continue to promote their success and expansion.

We appreciate the continued trust and support from our stakeholders as we work towards the nation’s economic objectives in line with the government’s Ekonomi MADANI aspirations.

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post Nov 2 2024, 05:53 PM

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kan, i already said no one will take responsibility punya

lol. lose a tens of million act like nothing
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When Temasek had losses people don't question pulak
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Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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"expecting revenue growth of about 60 per cent annually."

Yeah riiiiiight.....
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QUOTE(zero-0 @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
"expecting revenue growth of about 60 per cent annually."

Yeah riiiiiight.....
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kek clothing biz ingat growth like tech company

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still remember when the news broke 6 years ago about pnb investing in this crony project

/ktard already predicting the future
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What's wrong lel

Hahahhahahahaahahahah

If continue with your antics

Losing maneh je tau

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Again. Why /k menggelupur?
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QUOTE(zero-0 @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
"expecting revenue growth of about 60 per cent annually."

Yeah riiiiiight.....
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It was already a loss-making biz before Khazanah came into the picture


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QUOTE(BL98 @ Nov 2 2024, 05:54 PM)
When Temasek had losses people don't question pulak
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May 29 (Reuters) - Singapore's Temasek Holdings (TEM.UL) said it cut compensation for the team that recommended investing in the now-bankrupt FTX cryptocurrency exchange and for senior management, as they take "collective accountability" for the failed investment.


https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/singap...ent-2023-05-28/

cause they actually take responsibility on the failed investment and punished those who involved?

meanwhile khazanah director still get big fat bonus after shit investment where even /ktard can predict
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why no one mention macc ?
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hari tu cakap was to support "bumi" co, now after backfired, change word to support "Malaysian" , vavi main racial discriminative policy no want admit, madani MOF also plotek khazanah sekali, what a bunch of jokers
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so akmal will blame who?
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why no one mention macc ?
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People wants accountabilty, not this.

And this is not a 'bapak aku punya' kind of wealth, it's national wealth we're talking about here.
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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their investment rationale was to discriminatively support bumi co , instead of meritocracy (sendiri admitted one few days ago, not ayam made up)

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Khazanah said over the years, FashionValet had faced challenges, most of which were exacerbated by Covid-19 including in expanding its platform.


LOL khazanah..find better consultant. Ecommerce best year is covid19. If fashion valet losing money then sth wrong
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Who owns Fashion Valet?
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Si akmal senyap je..... Memang tin kosong bila pasal ekonomi.... R&R rhetoric je

Online business actually growth strongly in pandemic..... Everyone stay at home, so purchase through online.
Based on financial summary shared by lembu goreng, financial year ending Q3 shown 70% revenue growth rate. This validate that covid lockdown spike growth.

Once ending of lockdown, its revenue dipped double digit in % which well expected.

Few question that need to find out:
1) how does the company project 60% annual revenue back in 2018. What is the basis of the projection?
2) what is the breakeven point based on revenue? Coz 70% spike in 2020 revenue still recording 15mil losses. So what goes wrong with the projection again?
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Nov 2 2024, 06:03 PM)
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/singap...ent-2023-05-28/

cause they actually take responsibility on the failed investment and punished those who involved?

meanwhile khazanah director still get big fat bonus after shit investment where even /ktard can predict
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Did the SG counterpart kena investigate by corruptions board?
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Sounds like imdb to me.
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As a PNB fund holder, we are super pissed.

Imagine if all the money 'invested' in FV , all the money went into NVIDIA stock in 2018

We can enjoy super dividend now instead of the ciput diveiden . Lugi lagi
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and how was the valuation of"RM27 million for a nine per cent stake in 2018" arrived at?
100% = 300million valuation!! brows.gif

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alah beg birkin vivy x sampai pun 1 juta, kecoh jer u all tau

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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I'm pretty sure they also sakit hati because they let go of a unicorn
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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I do not disagree but has Khazanah done its responsibility to push for profitability when the company is not making money. What has Khazanah done as its investors to ensure due diligence by that company to achieve profit? Is it a failure by Khazanah to ensure this and was there over estimation of profits that needs to be addressed?
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Who owns Fashion Valet?
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Doa kan baik baik jer untuk kami berdua, nescaya kami turut doakan dividen EPF u alll naik sikit tahun depan. k

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27mil for 9% stake..
If shark tank kena grill kaw2
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The questions, where did the money go? And no one investigating?
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300m valuation. The broker must be super salesman
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Malaysia fashion website worth 300m ?
How possible arrive this figure ?
1yr can 1million garment ?
Gila

Gov just put money into aapl nvda
Dont need any middleman investment body

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Cut loss FV, all in FV 2.0, 3.0
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300m valuation. The broker must be super salesman
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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Nov 2 2024, 06:54 PM)
27mil for 9% stake..
If shark tank kena grill kaw2
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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 2 2024, 07:24 PM)
300m valuation. The broker must be super salesman
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At least u noticed the super valuation of a startup company without any proven track record.

Profit or loss in the venture is part of the risk of investment but value a unknown startup and pump in almost 50m to cash roll it as minority shareholders is bad investment
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Nov 2 2024, 07:37 PM)
At least u noticed the super valuation of a startup company without any proven track record.

Profit or loss in the venture is part of the risk of investment but value a unknown startup and pump in almost 50m to cash roll it as minority shareholders is bad investment
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QUOTE(premier239 @ Nov 2 2024, 06:08 PM)
their investment rationale was to discriminatively support bumi co , instead of meritocracy (sendiri admitted one few days ago, not ayam made up)
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bos can share the news about supporting bumi co?
i told my friend but he said impossible they will publicly said this
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Khazanah and PNB contain idiots.
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Potong gaji je la like Temasek when they lost FTX investment
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bos can share the news about supporting bumi co?
i told my friend but he said impossible they will publicly said this
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/731947

things backfired after this
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Nov 2 2024, 06:03 PM)
It was already a loss-making biz before Khazanah came into the picture


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look at dat revenue, profit and retained earnings
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still remember when the news broke 6 years ago about pnb investing in this crony project

/ktard already predicting the future
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"Our investment rationale was anchored on the theme of Offline-to-Online e-commerce, as well as a commitment to support Malaysian entrepreneurs and promising early-stage companies," it said in a statement tonight.



it was terbalik actually

-FV was established as e commerce platform, selling online
-then in 2015 opened brick and mortar branch in Bangsar Village
-2018- PNB gave Rm20 mil


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QUOTE(xCM @ Nov 2 2024, 08:34 PM)
look at dat revenue, profit and retained earnings
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Me more interested look at the fixed assets…
For startup company, cash flow is king
Why the hell buy so much fixed assets for what?
100M for fixed assets?

E commerce business ler?
It just provides a platform for buyers and sellers trading only
If manufacturing, then I can understand.
Don’t tell me the company need 100M worth of computers hardware and software?
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damn nice la, just smile at camera and apologise for RM 46 (million) loss.

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QUOTE(premier239 @ Nov 2 2024, 08:30 PM)
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/731947

things backfired after this
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Nov 2 2024, 10:19 PM)
damn nice la, just smile at camera and apologise for RM 46 (million) loss.

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Loss or GAINED? Loss by whom? Gained by whom? Hahahaha
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM)
Me more interested look at the fixed assets…
For startup company, cash flow is king
Why the hell buy so much fixed assets for what?
100M for fixed assets?

E commerce business ler?
It just provides a platform for buyers and sellers trading only
If manufacturing, then I can understand.
Don’t tell me the company need 100M worth of computers hardware and software?
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Hahahaha,, since you said this, you might want to ask Formula-man why he spent 85 MILLIONS on PADU…. What did he actually spend on…
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Helang need to stay strong. Muka tebal max

Cos the pipit are all mudah lupa type. And forgiving is the essence of malaysian culture. Life goes on. No one lose thier job. Money lost can just pinjam again. Lel
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Investment got ups and downs but if there are evidence of nepotism involved, meaning Khazanah invest in projects influences purely by "connection" instead of profitability. Then, it warrants an investigation.

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Just show the world what analysis and report has been done to be so confident the rubbish biz can have potential growth of 60%.

The company itself also not many heard of.
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type c business community already laughing on this.

absofuckinglutely embarrassment. now both khazanah and PNB are being questioned.
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Piece of shit company can be valued at 300 million?
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Somebody have go chopping board.

Not just "yo sorry how would i know dugaan bro, jap sap kok let move on yer"

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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Nov 2 2024, 10:23 PM)
Hahahaha,, since you said this, you might want to ask Formula-man why he spent 85 MILLIONS on PADU…. What did he actually spend  on…
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Maybe he need convert to USD ler, no much ler to hired foreign consultants, if u know what I mean .. lol!

There is also the LRT3 additional 5 stations, need RM5B extra
Need more 1B for each station, they think we stupid ar?
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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coz crony...and bumi

everything goes ==> janji org kita, hamkachan also ok la janji org kita ma

with that mindset and policy, we just arent made to achieve great things
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Sounds like imdb to me.
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Same same je

Khazanah thank god you continue to show us your taichi skills still top notch and your insight is so bad you even let go of Grab.

It's alright continue this path, so more people can go out and show how clueless and blind you guys are
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if khazanah put in amazon during 2018 , it worth (27M x 2.6) = 70M now
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50m is nothing. no salah

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type c business community already laughing on this.

absofuckinglutely embarrassment. now both khazanah and PNB are being questioned.
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Khazanah get the most money from which community?

There's only a few persons getting the last laugh.
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their investment rationale was to discriminatively support bumi co , instead of meritocracy (sendiri admitted one few days ago, not ayam made up)
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/732477

Investment in FashionValet was to support 'high potential Bumiputera company', say PNB and Khazanah

Yeah, this country's government institution is not rasis at all.
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

Pui
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grab bukan puak kita
fashion valet is

gottaa support apple kita k
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It was already a loss-making biz before Khazanah came into the picture


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Loss making prior to the investment and still hold for 5 loss making years

Is this normal for these type of investor? Hold so long in hopes it starts making profit?
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Nov 2 2024, 11:25 PM)
Me don't have info on breakdowns,  so me can't comment

Maybe he need convert to USD ler, no much ler to hired foreign consultants,  if u know what I mean .. lol!

There is also the LRT3 additional 5 stations,  need RM5B extra
Need more 1B for each station, they think we stupid ar?
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PADU is supposed to be developed in house with lower costs…I do not know if 85 million is ‘lower cost’ since there are no bench mark.
LRT3 add 5 stations, increased 5 billions… the new highway to complement NSE in Perak went up by another 5 billions (I thought it was 5 billions), as well, just at planning stage….well, if it had been the other side of the political divide, a lot of RBA and PHcais will guling guling at Dataran to protest already, I suppose. Luckily PNcais are still smart enough not too injure themselves or make themselves look more stupid by guling guling around. They prefer to guling around the bed with aweks and what-nots, I suppose. More fun and better returns. Anyway, PNcais also are not concerned since this increases do not bother their religion…. Hence…
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/732477

Investment in FashionValet was to support 'high potential connected/cronies Bumiputera company', say PNB and Khazanah

Yeah, this country's government institution is not rasis at all.
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just like the Cow farm investment to cultivate local bumi business
ended up buy condo to earn $$$
itu la...janji $$ out on the right pocket, only the Great 1 helps to monitor
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Nov 3 2024, 02:39 AM)
Loss making prior to the investment and still hold for 5 loss making years

Is this normal for these type of investor? Hold so long in hopes it starts making profit?
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If it is loss making likely due to management problem, if after investment, the same group of board and management, nothing will change.

Usually board and owners will songlap alot of money out for their benefits … award proj to cronies and high compensation to ownself, slowly drain the company to death …

Standard typical way use to cash out from company …
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 2 2024, 05:56 PM)
Ita true for khazanah 50mil is nothing. And they are exiting responsibly. Even trading got win and loss. Not everything will win.

But I will forever remember khazanah let grab go because of this fashion valet.

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did they choose FV over grab... or they are two different timing?
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But nobody resign openly because of this issue 😀
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PADU is supposed to be developed in house with lower costs…I do not know if 85 million is ‘lower cost’ since there are no bench mark. 
LRT3 add 5 stations, increased 5 billions… the new highway to complement NSE in Perak went up by another 5 billions (I thought it was 5 billions), as well, just at planning stage….well, if it had been the other side of the political divide, a lot of RBA and PHcais will guling guling at Dataran to protest already, I suppose.  Luckily PNcais are still smart enough not too injure themselves or make themselves look more stupid by guling guling around.  They prefer to guling around the bed with aweks and what-nots, I suppose.  More fun and better returns.  Anyway, PNcais also are not concerned since this increases do not bother their religion…. Hence…
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Nov 3 2024, 03:18 AM)
grab bukan puak kita
fashion valet is

gottaa support apple kita k
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The blatant foresight is that they can choose to invest in BOTH even though Grab might get much less. But nooo............... die die also want assert bumi superiority by "all for my puak, zero for you!"

They shamelessly terang-terang explained the reason why FV was chosen last time. Any decent human would find ways to spin a bit to make it less obvious but they didn't put in the effort at all.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Nov 3 2024, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Nov 3 2024, 08:14 AM)
Haha.. yeah. Our supposedly current opposition do the check and balances, all tak boleh pakai. I guess they don’t know what is all about when dealing with figures. If R&R, sure they are expert.
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That’s what I said. These PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now.
Well, just as that MCAi guy said ‘ we deserve the gov that we voted’. Lemme add one more ‘ we deserve the oppo that we did not vote for’ 😎

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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Nov 3 2024, 08:31 AM)
That’s what I said.  These PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now. 
Well, just as that MCAi guy said ‘ we deserve the gov that we voted’.  Lemme add one more ‘ we deserve the oppo that we did not vote for’ 😎
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Butoh lah kau punya pusing.
He's saying the current oppo is doing nothing no check and balance only know racing everyday and here you are saying PN the best no fitnah no kencing.
Dude. Go kencing and use it as a mirror if u can't afford one.

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It's so weird that PNB is the one who's protek protek

Vivy and family got what dirt on them? Kabel platinum ke ni?
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The blatant foresight is that they can choose to invest in BOTH  even though Grab might get much less. But nooo...............  die die also want assert bumi superiority by  "all for my puak, zero for you!"

They shamelessly terang-terang explained the reason why FV was chosen last time.  Any decent human would find ways to spin a bit to make it less obvious but they didn't put in the effort at all.
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Because at 1st they tot the support bumi card will get them out of trouble.
Mana tau no fcuk given by concern citizens. Because terang2 it's crony and decision yg sewaktu dan sekutu dengannya.
Bumi support bumi is a joke.
If this VF ain't owned by some politician or their relatives, u think they gonna give a damn or invest a single sen on it even though founder is bumi?
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Nov 3 2024, 08:54 AM)
It's so weird that PNB is the one who's protek protek

Vivy and family got what dirt on them? Kabel platinum ke ni?
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Butoh lah kau punya pusing.
He's saying the current oppo is doing nothing no check and balance only know racing everyday and here you are saying PN the best no fitnah no kencing.
Dude. Go kencing and use it as a mirror if u can't afford one.
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Cool it.. no get abusive. This is forum for discussion, not for abuse.. 😉

No one forces you to read my responses. Don’t like. Don read. Simple no?

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Cool it.. no get abusive.  This is forum for discussion, not for abuse.. 😉

No one forces you to read my responses.  Don’t like.  Don read.  Simple no?
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With people like u don't need be nice one lah.
Lepas got caught out, calling it discussion. If not terus pusing and fitnah sini sana lagi.
Suka hati i reply or anything. U x suka keluar saja.
Dah dah. If want nanti i send u some pee. Can work as a mirror nicely.
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With people like u don't need be nice one lah.
Lepas got caught out, calling it discussion. If not terus pusing and fitnah sini sana lagi.
Suka hati i reply or anything. U x suka keluar saja.
Dah dah. If want nanti i send u some pee. Can work as a mirror nicely.
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Ok. 😎
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Grab = keperluan. Tak mau

FashionValet = negara takde 4 musim. Mahu.

This logic. Then again nasib baik Khazanah tak beli grab. Kalau dia beli nanti orang atas semua tukar jadi Melayu kroni atas.
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The blatant foresight is that they can choose to invest in BOTH  even though Grab might get much less. But nooo...............  die die also want assert bumi superiority by  "all for my puak, zero for you!"

They shamelessly terang-terang explained the reason why FV was chosen last time.  Any decent human would find ways to spin a bit to make it less obvious but they didn't put in the effort at all.
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What was the reason last time?
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What was the reason last time?
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The sovereign wealth fund of Malaysia, Khazanah Nasional, has defended its choice not to participate in Southeast Asia’s super app for food delivery and ride-hailing, Grab, right away.

The fund’s investment approach, according to chief investment officer Azmil Zahruddin, is to concentrate on substantial investments rather than direct startup deals. Khazanah was unable to finalise a deal quickly to finance Grab, which was created in Malaysia.

Grab later attracted additional investors, including Singapore’s state-owned investor Temasek, and the ride-hailing behemoth moved its headquarters there. Grab became the largest listing by a Southeast Asian firm in the United States after raising $4.5 billion and launching on Nasdaq in late 2021 through a SPAC merger with Altimeter Growth Corp.

Khazanah received no small criticism for what some termed a “missed opportunity” for Malaysia. “You have to look at what Khazanah is and what its DNA is,” Zahruddin said in an exclusive interview with CNBC.

Our DNA is that we manage large investments. [Venture capital] investing is not really what we do, and it’s not really our expertise and skill set.

According to him, Khazanah would continue to support Malaysian startups by indirectly investing in funders that own shares in them and then possibly investing directly in them after they have grown to a level that satisfies the fund’s investment requirements.
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looking back now their real reason revealed, they wanted to support bumi clothing biz that projected growth like a tech company, genius
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looking back now their real reason revealed, they wanted to support bumi clothing biz that projected growth like a tech company, genius
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Too bad temu started 2 years ago
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Only stupid ppl would buy from FV
No originality, no fashion sense kind of clothing
All mostly imported from China. The stapler is one of the example
All sold at higher price to fund the founder lifestyle.
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QUOTE(fongsk26 @ Nov 3 2024, 08:31 AM)
That’s what I said.  These PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now. 
Well, just as that MCAi guy said ‘ we deserve the gov that we voted’.  Lemme add one more ‘ we deserve the oppo that we did not vote for’ 😎
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simple, they can't add value to nation building because in their head only RnR and seks
if rapizi hired an independent valuer and it comes out PADU 85m cost is justified, you believe? then what else will you bring out? do you do your own due diligence or just scream for spoonfeed? see, that's the PN standard. that's why " PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now. "
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Btw what the fuck happened to PADU?
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QUOTE(xCM @ Nov 3 2024, 12:49 PM)
simple, they can't add value to nation building because in their head only RnR and seks
if rapizi hired an independent valuer and it comes out PADU 85m cost is justified, you believe? then what else will you bring out? do you do your own due diligence or just scream for spoonfeed? see, that's the PN standard. that's why " PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now.  "
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Let him come out with the cost breakdown first, if he can. He can’t even come up with T15 or T10 after 4 months I he PADU claimed and after 2 years the concept for PADU started.
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Btw what the fuck happened to PADU?
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Not luck PADU but the other way round… 🤣
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u rugi kat saham akan report polis ke?
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QUOTE(xCM @ Nov 3 2024, 12:49 PM)
simple, they can't add value to nation building because in their head only RnR and seks
if rapizi hired an independent valuer and it comes out PADU 85m cost is justified, you believe? then what else will you bring out? do you do your own due diligence or just scream for spoonfeed? see, that's the PN standard. that's why " PNcais do not know how to fitnah and tokok, kincing everyone, something that PH was excellent at then and now.  "
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Rafizi macai spotted.
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when use non halal money to cover diam je

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Btw what the fuck happened to PADU?
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U know, i know, 85mil gone
Senyap2 sudah
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Who are the idiots who approved this deal? Were they mad to invest in a clothing company instead of Grab?

What was so special about FV that made them dump in 47m ? With so intense competition from China, it was nearly impossible for FV to make any profit

Those who signed off the deal should be sacked immediately
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hmmm, apa reason
1. buy over 40M, then sell off like ? 3% sahaja ?
2. since it doesn't cost much on operation not like producing any clothes, manufacturing -- any hidden cost ? travelling & claim allowance ?
3. how many staff ? seriously ?

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hmmm, apa reason
1. buy over 40M, then sell off like ? 3% sahaja ?
2. since it doesn't cost much on operation not like producing any clothes, manufacturing -- any hidden cost ? travelling & claim allowance ?
3. how many staff ? seriously ?
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i think can purchase company audited reports submitted to ssm

from there, can check some of the expense breakdown

any rich ktards boleh tolong beli

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Promising what???

How it can fight with numerous online platforms?

It is just another platform, what so promising?
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QUOTE(akecema @ Nov 4 2024, 07:58 AM)
U know, i know, 85mil gone
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Haha, itu party Bersatu semua tidur makan gaji buta. Tanya benda-benda yg tak berkenaan seperti Bendera China, Namakan Lautan Melayu, Perkara tentang ahli parlimen yg digantung tapi minta masuk parlimen dan sebagainya.

85mil tak nak ambil kisah pula. Nak Ktard pergi tanya on behalf ke?

Check and Balance tahi la.
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QUOTE(giftfre @ Nov 4 2024, 08:53 AM)
Haha, itu party Bersatu semua tidur makan gaji buta. Tanya benda-benda yg tak berkenaan seperti Bendera China, Namakan Lautan Melayu, Perkara tentang ahli parlimen yg digantung tapi minta masuk parlimen dan sebagainya.

85mil tak nak ambil kisah pula. Nak Ktard pergi tanya on behalf ke?

Check and Balance tahi la.
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QUOTE(pandah @ Nov 4 2024, 08:46 AM)
Promising what???

How it can fight with numerous online platforms?

It is just another platform, what so promising?
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they were betting on the branding.. similiar to apple.
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I watch a lot of shark tank's clip where even investing 150k usd is considered expensive depending on the pitch. Ni fashion company dump 47m into a bleeding startup that wants to compete in a very competitive industry.
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Whose money did they loss????
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Nov 4 2024, 05:10 AM)
I watch a lot of shark tank's clip where even investing 150k usd is considered expensive depending on the pitch.  Ni fashion company dump 47m into a bleeding startup that wants to compete in a very competitive industry.
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mesti ma

shark tank they use OWN money leh

ur own money even RM100 u also think properly

but if u use other people's moni no issue 1

berape also feel worth on paper

caz on paper u can make everything look like roses
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QUOTE(YamiBear @ Nov 4 2024, 09:10 AM)
I watch a lot of shark tank's clip where even investing 150k usd is considered expensive depending on the pitch.  Ni fashion company dump 47m into a bleeding startup that wants to compete in a very competitive industry.
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And the valuation given to the company.
300 or 400 million iinm?
Macam mana dorang dapat figure tu pun masih misteri.
Gila siot this country. X kisah lah siapa jadi kerajaan.
BN tu x yah citer. PH pun sama2. PN pula cop jer atas nama agama. Jalan jer.
Sakau songlap macam makan nasi jer.
Babi dorang semua. Last2 bila ada problem bawak jer isu melayu dgn cina. Semua pun lupa.


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I'm pretty sure they also sakit hati because they let go of a unicorn
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post Nov 4 2024, 09:23 AM

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U see la why local telent run to others country do business, why investor thik 3 to 4 time before invest Malaysia, local government also help glc even know got problem but no close detail monitor, just give money and let them run
ray123
post Nov 4 2024, 09:31 AM

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Show la the paper or proposal that made you invest in it over Grab.
poooky
post Nov 4 2024, 09:37 AM

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Nothing personal, just good business.
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post Nov 4 2024, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Nov 4 2024, 09:16 AM)
mesti ma

shark tank they use OWN money leh

ur own money even RM100 u also think properly

but if u use other people's moni no issue 1

berape also feel worth on paper

caz on paper u can make everything look like roses
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Shark tank they use other's money also. They manage other's money. I don't remember which episode where Kevin O'Leary stressed how he is managing other people's money. If other's money lagi you should manage it better.

QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Nov 4 2024, 09:16 AM)
And the valuation given to the company.
300 or 400 million iinm?
Macam mana dorang dapat figure tu pun masih misteri.
Gila siot this country. X kisah lah siapa jadi kerajaan.
BN tu x yah citer. PH pun sama2. PN pula cop jer atas nama agama. Jalan jer.
Sakau songlap macam makan nasi jer.
Babi dorang semua. Last2 bila ada problem bawak jer isu melayu dgn cina. Semua pun lupa.
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Standard Melayu. Last2 salah cina DAPigs.
Lesane
post Nov 4 2024, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Nov 2 2024, 06:03 PM)
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/singap...ent-2023-05-28/

cause they actually take responsibility on the failed investment and punished those who involved?

meanwhile khazanah director still get big fat bonus after shit investment where even /ktard can predict
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Not supporting but just thinking.

PNB is a big company, the value of the investment which is about 20-50mil is quite small compare to the entire fund.

as Director/ BOD they are expected to deliver overall profit, if perform dapat bonus la.

Not all investment will reap profit sometime there will be loses.

as long as the team which did the assessment on the business (FV) were reviewed and held accountable.. ok i guess (Hope those dont get bonus la)


PNB is too big to review and release info on every investment (failed or success) as long as those big value or "scam" type are checked (for due diligence and compliance) and release should be ok i guess
teehk_tee
post Nov 4 2024, 10:10 AM

ไม่เป็นไร
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So easy to burn money, meanwhile taxes go up and fines are issued to citizens daily
TSpremier239
post Nov 4 2024, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Nov 4 2024, 09:16 AM)
mesti ma

shark tank they use OWN money leh

ur own money even RM100 u also think properly

but if u use other people's moni no issue 1

berape also feel worth on paper

caz on paper u can make everything look like roses
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n y compensation of these buggers not tied to their investment performance

madani not doing something?
Virlution
post Nov 4 2024, 10:22 AM

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https://www.asiatechreview.com/p/fashionval...ommerce-pioneer

FashionValet’s Series C round closed in 2019 and was to be worth $12 million, according to MalayMail—that was a considerable amount at the time, especially for a startup based in Malaysia

Based on 2021 filings, revenue grew 34% to RM113.52 million (US$23.8 million), while losses were slashed to RM9.6 million (US$2 million), 22% better than the previous year. However, term loans grew 125% to RM6.3 million (US$1.32 million), as the company likely turned to loans to weather the downturn of the Covid pandemic.
SUSEX Unseen Forces
post Nov 4 2024, 10:25 AM

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PMX pls resign! ranting.gif
lkyoong
post Nov 4 2024, 10:32 AM

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Due Diligence not done or was done but ignored.

This what happens when u have otak ikan in charge who dunno anything or dun want to listen to advice instead go listen to their 1st - 4th wife because is glamour to be in fashion business.
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post Nov 4 2024, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Nov 4 2024, 10:22 AM)
https://www.asiatechreview.com/p/fashionval...ommerce-pioneer

FashionValet’s Series C round closed in 2019 and was to be worth $12 million, according to MalayMail—that was a considerable amount at the time, especially for a startup based in Malaysia

Based on 2021 filings, revenue grew 34% to RM113.52 million (US$23.8 million), while losses were slashed to RM9.6 million (US$2 million), 22% better than the previous year. However, term loans grew 125% to RM6.3 million (US$1.32 million), as the company likely turned to loans to weather the downturn of the Covid pandemic.
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same modus operandi of a dying company
Using new debt cover old debt until the hole too big to be fill up
a_dot_el
post Nov 4 2024, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Nov 4 2024, 09:31 AM)
Show la the paper or proposal that made you invest in it over Grab.
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Reject Grab. Invest in FV. Genius!!
Justin.Loong
post Nov 6 2024, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Nov 2 2024, 08:53 PM)
Kiter pegang
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post Nov 6 2024, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Nov 6 2024, 12:45 PM)
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thats what happens when you pick talents from a certain race only.

i used to do projects for khazanah, mostly stuck up people lcly think they better than you attitude.
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post Nov 6 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Nov 6 2024, 01:33 PM)
thats what happens when you pick talents from a certain race only.

i used to do projects for khazanah, mostly stuck up people lcly think they better than you attitude.
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