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 Proton e.Mas 7 - RM120K, EV buatan Malaysia

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post Oct 28 2024, 11:13 AM

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Went to check out the car at ACE Setia Alam yesterday. It was the most popular car there, needed to wait very long to get a chance to sit in the car and check it out. IMO its a very good value package at the price range. Will definitely sell like hot cakes. I especially liked the sharp and responsive infotainment screen.

Personally my primary concern is with the Proton badging and its crappy aftersales. But then again all the other competitors like Xpeng G6 and Leapmotor C10 are unknown entities as well. Bermaz especially does not inspire trust.

On the other hand, the Leapmotor C10 was a good looking vehicle. The green one looked great and interior was decent but very spartan. However, the pricing is a big turn-off for what is supposed to be a cheap car. The car look impressive but it is very cheaply made.
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post Oct 28 2024, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Oct 28 2024, 12:12 PM)
I doubt that proton technician be able to handle e.mas issue
Even x50/x70 also they keep replying 'this is normal'
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Unfortunately, I suspect its basically the same for all new electric cars, not just Proton with the exception of those like BYD that has been around for almost 2 years now. The pioneers will have to deal with delays in getting things fixed fast.
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post Oct 28 2024, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Oct 28 2024, 12:57 PM)
It is not locally made. It will be CBU, that's why price cannot below 100K.
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Proton SA said that the RHD version is already being built in Tanjung Malim and the first batch will be from Tanjung Malim and not China. Anyone can confirm whether this is true?
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post Oct 28 2024, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 28 2024, 02:51 PM)
How is e.MAS 7 interior build compared to C10? Better build? Nice feel to touch?
Local SA told me the first batch will be CBU from China.
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I see. Not sure which is true, guess have to wait and see.

The interior touch and feel is quite similar - both are synthetic materials not real leather. Proton feels more plush. Both seem to have good build quality but the C10 looks nice from far due to the faux saddle brown colour and clean look. They also have a dark interior option but it was not displayed. But the C10 is really very minimalist with no buttons compared to the e.mas 7 which at least has some buttons. Unfortunately the e.mas 7 only has one interior colour option which is the dark blue which looks like black.
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post Oct 28 2024, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 28 2024, 03:10 PM)
Atto3 and MG4 sales will be most impacted by this car

I don't think Model Y, Xpeng G6 or Smart need to worry much since they have the range and maybe branding advantage

Leapmotor? No android auto or apple carplay, under stellantis group some more (read more about their issues especially quality), got people really consider this?

Neta? Whoever buy this brand here really brave lol. no offence

also note that so far we only see the CLTC figures for emas7... they haven't released the WLTP range yet

starting from 120k should be the base range model? CLTC range 440km.... WLTP should be around 350km+

if you need a second car just for work commute and staying landed, then no problem...
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Atto 3 offering RM21k discount now but I really cannot accept the interior. BYD needs to do a refresh of the interior or sell it much cheaper. MG4 interior really kosong, they need to lower their prices or refresh the interior soon to stay competitive. But among all these cars MG4 is probably the best driver's car.

Xpeng G6 nothing to worry about right now but I heard that Bermaz is planning to increase the price next year. Smart is a bit more niche market due to the size and price.

Leapmotor is distributed worldwide by Stellantis but not made by them. China car build quality nowadays seems to be quite good. I like the car and would have seriously considered if it launched at around RM130k. At RM159k, better get G6.

Neta I think will be one of the first cars to bungkus due to fierce competition.

On the emas 7 price, there seems to be some misinformation on whether the 120k is starting price or high spec price. I hope it is the high spec price.
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post Oct 28 2024, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Oct 28 2024, 04:34 PM)
Yes but since there's so many good EV brands from China why consider a niche brand? If really want to get a China branded EV might as well go for one which is more popular in their home country or worldwide.

Also no AA or AC at that price. Some might say it doesn't matter but to me unless your software is as good as Tesla it matters a lot. But then nowadays these cars also come with OTA update so they can easily add the feature in future

Another car I missed in direct competition with emas7 - Omoda E5. Probably in the same group as Atto 3 and MG4
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Actually Leapmotor is doing very well and growing quite fast right now. With the backing of Stellantis especially in EMEA they are predicted to do very well. The No AA/AC is a big turn off for sure and based on reviews their ADAS seems to be very intrusive as well. I'm willing to chance it if the price is right especially with Stellantis now doing a better job than Naza and Bermaz previously. I own a Peugeot and our club members have been happy overall with how Stellantis has been trying to fix the issues created by past distributors. But since the price is not right IMO, makes a lot of sense to look at others instead.




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post Oct 28 2024, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Oct 28 2024, 05:16 PM)
Don't know why their DC charging rate is so low. 80kw? and 100kw?

BYD seal is 150kw, and tesla model Y is 170kw
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Price range also different ma. But a bit disappointing that the DC FC is so low.
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post Oct 29 2024, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 28 2024, 06:02 PM)
Is the DCFC speed so critical though?

I drive M3LR, 250kW peak... I rarely get that on Superchargers (need low SoC and preconditioned battery) and probably less than 3 minute throughout the charging session.

The other day was at Ipoh, also limited to 60kW Gentari. These >200W chargers are pretty limited, and if available also is for the 800V cars.

100kW can fully utilize most DCFC now already la (assuming charging curve is good).
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This is true, charging curve is very important and Tesla is known to charge at substantially below the max kwh for most of the charging session. In practice I think the lower kwh DCFCs stations operate closer to their max which is better than a 150kwh charger but only charge at a lower rate most of the time.
Anyway, I think most people who are buying EVs now will charge at home and only occasionally at a DCFC, so not a big deal in the bigger scheme of things.
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post Oct 29 2024, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 29 2024, 11:11 AM)
Tesla charge curve gradually reduces, this is probably what they have learnt to maximize charge speed and battery life span probably over the years. For Tesla it actively monitors the temperature of the battery pack, if your AC radiator is clogged and it doesn't cool the battery pack as efficiently you don't get top speed either.

Some brands, I think brands like BMWs does it step by step... depending on the %. Not sure how is it like on the e.MAS 7.

I'm shopping for the wife, long distance drive will be using my M3LR which has more range... this one is most for town drive (or occasionally going to nearer outstations say Melaka-KL or Melaka-Muar kinda trips), or when need to fetch more people (M3 when fetch more people very stressful when I see speed bumps  laugh.gif ).
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I think most if not all the new EVs manage the charging actively based on temperature and SoC. Only the old EVs like Nissan Leaf that does not do that.

I think the emas 7 makes a lot of sense for your use case and maybe can consider the Dolphin also, BYD is offering discounts on them as well.
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post Oct 29 2024, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 29 2024, 11:28 AM)
I see the new trend now is announcing RM xxx and below, instead of the usual "from RM xxx". *cough* Zeekr *cough*. Looks like they are testing the market interest before announcing the actual price. Maybe if less bookings = lower price?  drool.gif
Personally, I think e.MAS 7 is a good choice. Only issue now is convincing my wife as she is kinda allergy towards the kucing logo  mega_shok.gif . We went to test drive BYD Dolphin and BYD Atto 3 two weeks ago, she strike off Dolphin cause of the interior and front headlamp design. Atto 3 under consideration, offered about 135k for 2024 model... which IF the e.MAS 7 is 129k for long range, no brainer to go for e.MAS 7! Only will consider the Dolphin if it is indeed about 120k like what I read on FB... that also hard sell la because I still value the space and interior design of the e.MAS 7 and most important is the 11kW OBC. My house been using 16A x 3 so far and has been rock solid... don't wanna be using 32A single phase that I might need to do some load balancing at my home pulak.
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e.MAS 7 will be a better value for sure. My wife is also not so happy to buy thundercat logo and I was considering the G6 but she also doesn't like the Xpeng name. She liked the BYD M6 but to me it looks like a cheaply made vehicle. Will need to wait a few more months to decide.
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post Nov 3 2024, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(fadzly @ Nov 3 2024, 12:45 PM)
Anybody knows where to review this car? Any showroom has this model?
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I think selected proton showroom got. Ask proton salesman in Facebook.
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post Nov 6 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 6 2024, 01:26 AM)
MG ZS EV now available for RM99,999: The cheapest electric SUV in Malaysia

26k discount, people.

https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/05/mg-zs-ev-...uv-in-malaysia/
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Good article with the comparison table on EV SUVs available in Malaysia. Only Xpeng G6 and Tesla Model Y is missing.
IMO the MG ZS EV is too old, smaller range, smaller size, based on multi-power platform (not pure EV platform) and too basic, but the new price is very good value for money. IMO MG waited too long to adjust their prices and they now face the risk of missing the boat completely. The Atto 3 at around RM120k will likely sell better but many people will now wait for Proton eMas 7 and if the price is good, they will likely pay more for it as it is a better vehicle all around anyway.


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post Nov 6 2024, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 6 2024, 01:40 PM)
For what it is worth, I hope it will start more rounds of price cuts for others.

MG is dubbed the undisputed kilowatt-per-dollar king in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/detai...d-mg-zs-147042/

While in Thailand , they announced extended lifetime warranty for four models: MG4 Electric, MG Maxus 9, MG Maxus 7 and the new MG Cyberster.
The extended lifetime warranty is for High-Voltage Battery, Electric Drive Unit and Power Electronic Bloc

Source: https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motori...for-four-models. View our policies at http://goo.gl/9HgTd and http://goo.gl/ou6Ip.
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Yup, there is bound to be more price cuts especially after Proton confirm the prices for the two emas 7 variants. But it will be better for everyone if there are more players that do well in our market. Right now it seems like only BYD and Tesla are doing good numbers. BMW also seems to be doing well in the premium segment.

Xpeng is also doing well but from the way Bermaz is doing things can clearly see that they don't want to invest much into it because they know it will not sell once 2026 rolls in due to the end of CBU tax exemption. Bermax is well known for abandoning their brands like what they did to Kia and Peugeot, so I would expect no support for parts and repairs in a few years.

The rest seem to be selling in very small numbers which will make it difficult to keep their service centres running beyond 2026.
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post Nov 11 2024, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Nov 10 2024, 01:00 AM)
https://www.nst.com.my/news-cars-bikes-truc...assembled-omoda
So In comparison: Proton and Perodua are slow poke.
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Yeah, Chery seems to be the most serious China carmaker in terms of how it views the Malaysian market. They are even releasing a lot of new vehicles albeit mostly ICE. It's good to see that at least 1 China company is taking us seriously. Looking at how things are going, the rest (BYD, MG, Xpeng) don't plan to be here long term since they don't have any plans to CKD their vehicles. So 2025 will be the last year their vehicles will be price competitive. The most obvious one is Bermaz with Xpeng, they don't even bother to prepare brochures and only had 2 outlets upon launching. Quite obvious that they fully expect it to be a hit and run market and don't plan on investing too much.
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post Nov 12 2024, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(contagiouseddie @ Nov 11 2024, 08:05 PM)
BYD & MG already have CKD line in Thailand where the volume is much higher than here and can even supply to the entire SEA region. Why, want to spend some huge amount of money again in a low volume country? And looking at what incentives the silly government is giving (or not giving) here, why would they bother?
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It is what it is. I don't care whether they invest here or not because our automotive policy is quite bad, but I am just cautioning that buyers should be prepared to be left in the lurch once cbu incentive is gone.
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post Dec 20 2024, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 20 2024, 12:44 PM)
Harga yahudi

No wonder imported Mia cannot go below rm100k

Lel

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What equivalent vehicle is cheaper than this?
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post Dec 22 2024, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Dec 22 2024, 02:40 PM)
Wonder the waiting list for emas
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There is a lot of interest. SA cancelled all test drive for weekend cause so many people want to view the one car at limited outlets.
I believe the waiting list will be long.
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post Dec 23 2024, 11:20 AM

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Considering between this and Leapmotor C10. Which one do you think is better?
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post Dec 26 2024, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(nomar @ Dec 25 2024, 01:40 AM)
Anyone who has test driven the car , can confirm that speed limit warning /chime will always trigger ?
It’s just what I saw from some YouTube video, thanks
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Yes, there is a speed limit warning but can be turned-off. SA told me once turned-off will not come back when we restart the car but I did not test restarting it so cannot confirm whether it's true or not. But once switched off during the drive it did go away.
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post Dec 26 2024, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 26 2024, 02:10 PM)
where's the location of roadshow to test drive the eMAS 7 ?
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Don't think there are any road shows right now. You need to go to those e.Mas showrooms that have the car. Can find SA in facebook and message them.

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