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post Oct 24 2024, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 24 2024, 09:41 AM)
Does people still believe in this nonsense? LOL
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Every electronic product will have some form of data harvesting algorithm inside it. So long it is connected to the internet, that is a reason enough that the claims are valid. Even intel processor are exposed to have "baked in" back doors that date back until the late 90s' exposed just a few years ago. Thats in the region of Pentium 3.
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post Oct 24 2024, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(soulseeker6187 @ Oct 24 2024, 09:54 AM)
lol. for a company that make cars forever need to learn from xioami that only few years industry, show how murican company is in trouble.
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Mat salleh business has roadmap. China does not.

Western business plans a gradual release for a product spanned in XX number of years.

China gives you a product that is almost untested and then makes a new product in the next product lifeline.

You can see how China cars change in design so fast and you cannot have loyalty to a product range easily.

The next Xiaomi car probably would not look like a Taycan anymore. Knowing Xiaomi, they would copy another design and then launch it again with their super thick faced CEO running wild on X saying it is the next best thing since sliced cheese.
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post Oct 24 2024, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 24 2024, 10:20 AM)
Mat salleh business has roadmap. China does not.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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CN roadmap is maxing out everything, move to the next big thing. Don't wait and slow release patches/ revisions/ etc. This cars is only 3 years development. Within a day someone crashed. You just dunno how fast and disposable CN manufacturing works do you?
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post Oct 24 2024, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 24 2024, 10:45 AM)
That's very outdated perception. It's precisely thinking like this that makes most outsider think China is still behind. And it's precisely why they have caught the industry leaders by surprise.

China had a roadmap on electric way before electric was a thing. The reason they had such an extensive electric roadmad was because they know they were far behind the ICE technology. So instead of trying to play catch up, they put everything into electric and started vertical integration way earlier before traditional automakers even considered doing such a thing.

There is a reason why automakers even in Japan are worried of the progress China has made in the electric space.
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Don't confuse sustainable business to instant gratification. CN business model was always instant gratification. Western business model is gradual income sustainability.

It reflects on how the people works too. CN work long hours and churn out fast ideas and the product markets fast. Western people works to specific hours. Very relaxed in product release and because of this causes it to be expensive. Basically slowing time so that their employees have jobs. If you are in CN or JP, you cannot perform, you are fired.

I wonder if anyone ever bought imitation ram from CN before? You can buy those cloned Hynix/ Micron/ Samsung rams where they can make it in a day and shipped to customer in just a week. And it works. That is a small product.

Put the same idea in a larger product like a car. 1 year to scan a sample car, 1 year to make changes to design, another year to make molds and finally you have the car that you can drive. It takes about 7 years in western world for a brand new car, or 9-13 years if it was designed from ground up.

With AI & robotics growing so fast, we could have newly designed car within 1 year or less. China can make that happen. As example Xiaomi copied TESLA gigapress idea and it allowed to make cars almost immediately compared to traditions methods.


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post Oct 24 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 24 2024, 10:58 AM)
People crash cars not because the car has problems but more likely due to poor driving skills.

Your knowledge of China manufacturing capabilities show that you’re still stuck in the same mentality a decade ago. It’s exactly your type of thinking which underestimate China and think all China products are low quality. Continue with your mentality is the reasons why car manufacturers were caught by surprise by China cars.

At least China manufacturers are capable of delivering results compared to India who talk big and never deliver on their promises. 😝
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You can't give answers on their behalf because you have no idea what happened. But i can tell you it did happen because there was videos about it. If protectionism is your game, i am not interested. I am more interested in how they are going to fix them problems.

I have no problem them copying anything. Instant gratification is what every modern living cell is into now on this planet. There will be a point where simulated products testing is 100% correct. But till then if you try even to tell me why the car slid out, the panels detached, the interface hang, the brakes cooked, the anti pinch failed, i would simply said, not well tested. Prove me wrong.
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post Oct 24 2024, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Oct 24 2024, 11:02 AM)
LG washing machine also took 3.6gb of data daily
https://www.newsweek.com/homeowner-baffled-...nternet-1862675
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Everything connected to internet will send data back to their maker. Manufacturers calls it telemetry data. Of course we see it otherwise. laugh.gif
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post Oct 24 2024, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(pornoman2128 @ Oct 24 2024, 11:04 AM)
Mat Salleh has dreams, China makes it into reality.

Its time to get informed on the speed, capability and scale of China's manufacturing prowess. The American's knew this decades ago, but waited to long to "contain" China....its too late now.

Apple exists only because of China's capability

TLDR. Juicy bit here about how US dreams it up, China makes it a reality.

Steve Jobs and his "impossible" dream.
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China offers to make it a reality, builds facilities "just in case" Apple gives them the contract
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American roadmap is changing things in the last minute, and only China can cater to America's lack-of-proper-planning, because the Chinese already planned for it. Haha.
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Thats is right. Even CN at the beginning knows how good the Jews are technically. No one could predict they CN would match and surpass Western people today.

But i can tell you their design phase is still not good. The Koreans already broken this. CN still has some time to catch up.
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post Oct 24 2024, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 24 2024, 11:17 AM)
Don't confuse sustainability with inability to change to market demands. Western mode is gradual? What rubbish you're talking about? iPhone new models come out not once a year kah? LOL

You cannot compare a phone to a car. In fact it is kind of stupid to compare any appliance Cn makes to a car at all. Appliance are still appliance. Phone is still phone. You can argue a car is still metal over rubber tires since it existed. But i don't drive a phone. Maybe you like the feeling of helplessness once you loose control of a car? An average EV today is at least 180HP (bigger HP than any 2.4L engine) Weighs more, and carries a micro energy cell waiting to be ruptured and cause hell around it. Of course i am worried about safety!

China and Asian countries work long hours because they are developing countries. This phenomenon is not only in China but also in Japan and South Korea. Why? All these countries were starting from scratch after WW2 while western countries even though suffer some destruction during WW2 already reached developed status. People in East Asia have long term targets and want career progression in life. Compared that to the Europeans and Americans who has more laid-back working environment because most of them just want a job and not a career.

Thats the thing. If you work faster, you make things faster, you sell it faster. Thats the  idea. But western people, they will tell you spend time to make perfection.


"If you're in CN or JP, you cannot perform, you are fired". Do you seriously think it is not happening in America or Europe? LOL! Americans are famous for firing people who can't perform. Heck, even Trump got famous on his show with "you're fired"! You clearly don't understand how the western biz world work. They are more cut-throat than the China and Japan lah.

Western people are famous for giving warnings and they have all these unions and stuff that protects them. They can't not fire at whim. Only recently until Elon did that when he got Twitter that sort of changed how people look at US. But it was only that one time.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. The problem with people like you is you think everything made in China is low quality because you're a cheapskate in the first place. LOL! Go pay more for their quality products lah. The big advantage of China is their manufacturing capabilities is their abilities to produce everything from low quality stuff to high quality stuff.

Products made in CN are only as good as the price you paid for it. It is impossible to pay lesser got better plastics, better motor, denser metal, etc. But they can substitute that for lower wages. Look, i own cheap CN brand products, even cheaper imitation CN products, and the originator products. There are difference once you put those to use. Remember that at one time, CN had 300 EV car companies. But all those are just skimming Gov funds and went bust. The good ones are just like 7 or less.

As for Xiaomi, you said it yourself with the advancement of AI and robotics. Do you think AI and robotics in China are all poor inferior copies only. As for copying tech. All companies do it. If Steve Jobs and Bill Gates did not copy from Xerox, do you think personal computing will be like today? You can come out with inventions but if you can't mass produce them and make products that people want, the tech is useless.

If you are ok with a product that is not truly tested properly and launched so fast that they do not care what you say even after so many documented problem, then i rest my case la. I do not want Xiaomi to fail. I do not want them to lie.

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post Oct 24 2024, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 24 2024, 11:33 AM)
Why can't instant gratification be a sustainable business?
Parts made and developed by China eventually entered into the supply chain of many automotive makers. The so called 'sustainable business' car designed by many western automakers was built upon the cheap mass produced parts made in China.

The problem is when you are too comfortable with gradual income sustainability until it becomes no longer sustainable. When a company becomes complacent, they are wiped out. Like how Kodak was wiped out despite being the market leader for films for so long.
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I did not say it can't. It is a noticeable different way to do business that many cannot identify. It is like fast fashion. Trendy today, dump tomorrow.

I do not want to delve into sustainable business matters. For automotive, it is all politics and money. Full of crap.

For physical products, sustainable method no longer applies. BMW knows it. Thats why they made subscription features for their cars in EU. Even apps today are subscription model. Adobe, Autodesk, etc are all sub model now. Windows will eventually be the same. Games are also leaning into sub model. The new word is you buy, but you do not own. So piracy is not stealing. laugh.gif

Kodak, Nokia, Ericson, all those legacy brands got killed because of smartphones. Even when they tried a comeback, they have no idea what people whats. They are lucky they still have some patents they could make money off. IPhone seems to be dropping off in the want list too. But these could be attributed to world economy. An average guy like me could not make out why i would want a RM6000 phone as opposed to a RM1000 one.

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post Oct 24 2024, 01:21 PM

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Have you heard of DELL, HP, INTEL or other MNC has this problem by retrenching or firing? rolleyes.gif

Western people are done making cars reliable at least 20 years ago. Have you heard the term Planned obsolescence? If you know any mechanics, you should know how much metal was used, how simple engines were and how easy it was to work on them. Even BMW. How to sell more products? Make them fail after a specific time.

You cannot give companies like Xiaomi a pass just because it is their first car. There are collectively more than a hundred years knowledge of car making in the world. At least 20 years for EV in China. It is no excuse to make a product that failed on customer on first day. Whats more the company that they partner with only has 1 EV sedan in their stable.

SU7 is a 500HP car. that R35 GTR space. You tell me its ok to make a 500HP car without extensive testing on it and release to the average consumer? But people complain a kancil with 200HP turbo engine being too fast, even if the idiot driving it haven't died on the first day. Why can't a supposedly safe car be safer?

Ford is looking at a CN partner for EV. That is very obvious because their EV range is limited and cannot be priced competitively. Because Tesla did it in CN and it was good business. Its not because their CEO is glossing onver SU7. Its all about money. rclxs0.gif
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post Oct 24 2024, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 24 2024, 11:52 AM)
Got beedio out also on new zakar mix.. quite nice also but a minivan lah

I like zakar design, so unique
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i dun like zakar punya peti sejuk front light. Malas punya design.
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post Oct 24 2024, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 24 2024, 01:36 PM)
mix of future and minimalist, the kinda trend now

but i look at ccp cars most are alright but hiphi the one thats just way too weird even for my taste
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Kind of wasted. The rest of the mpv is nice and well equipped. But somehow they messed up the front. I get it that they want to continue the 2 strip lights from the 003.

 

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