undead/BE have their traits in pvp, trolls are good on pve, and even in pvp when ur low hp, berserking can really make a difference

bottom line? it doesnt really matter.

if you want to pvp hardcore though, undeads have a slight edge with devouring plague. especially if ur gonna be a shadow priest.

no, but by all means berserking alone can be a lot of dmg for being a shadow priest.

exactly, races dont really play that important of a role unless ur in professional arena playing (post 2.4k rating top 10 rankings etc etc)

and since your character is not even created yet, i doubt you will need to be bothered about those issues.

general consensus means crap.

and what racial priest spells? and how would it be better for be to go pve and undead pvp? vague comments ftl.

refer to:
http://wow.tentonhammer.com/index.php?modu...isplay&ceid=102

BE consume magic is random at best, and mana does not scale as gear scales upwards.
touch of weakness... so ur gonna let an end game raid boss hit you right? lawl

undead's devouring plague, eats a ton of mana, and tada! cloak of skill/dispeling > it lol.

and tbh, in the age of healing > dps scalability, hex of weakness does provide an awesome healing debuff as opposed to other priests. especially in small scale pvp or 1v1's.

bottom line? RACE DOES NOT REALLY MATTER. end of story.

your comment over ud priest only applies to raid. the only real benefit of ud's in arenas/pvp = wotf and that only applies to warlocks/priests and perhaps warriors at times. (lol surv hunters with wywern sting too maybe)

and your example of be silence in 2v2 arena is also flawed. silence is also useful against feral druids to prevent shifts, cyclone, or even heals at time. druids stuck in forms, unable to heal, and/or unable to cyclone cc you are almost useless in arenas.

fear can be easily countered, and also subjected to DR
silence can be chained, the more the merrier
and no, silence is NOT subjected to DR.
latest PTR build has DR on silence, however, due to intense qq'ing, it was promptly removed.
live build has no DR on silence, nor does PTR now, or future patch 2.3

high dmg over time? heal over time? dispel, you got NOTHING.
even if it isnt dispeled, the dmg is still:
a) dot, which takes time, and subjected to outhealed (healing scalability > dmg scalability by far)
b) finally subjected to resilience as of patch 2.2 (or 2.1)

and in your previous example?
DP rogue = clos
DP druid = hot outhealing and, you wanna zerg a resil decked druid down with fear (trinket) and silence while his hots are ticking? and a fat ns heal and occassional swiftmends to boot (dont even think about dispeling hots when hes having liftblooms to cover, you'll only make urself look stupid), doesnt take much wow knowledge to know it is almost impossible.

unless of course you meant non pvp decked/low resil druids. those druids die in 2-3 hit during caster form from my blades anyways, not even worth mentioning.

true, every class has the ability to interrupt spell cast, but not all of them are very effective or even truly viable in high end pvp. eg:

-rogue trying to kick a mage from 30 yd away. true, DT is also an interrupt, but DT requires CP, and its slow. patch 2.3 (or PTR) DT travels faster, but will no longer proc relentless, and will be easily faked out by cast cancels.
-priest using fear to interrupt a mage 30 yd away, oh lets make the mage a frost mage too, or maybe have a warrior hamstring'ing you and pounding your face while we at it. get the idea already?

and no, its not an entire certainty that you have to go for druid at first in 2v2 vs druid/rogue. if you want further enlightment, go warcraftmovies.com, download neilyo 6, and watch the match up between neilyo + gumbot VS xecks + secretive, and you'll understand, and be enlighted.

sure, but lets remember that that this ONLY applies to shadow priest with VE, and lets not forget:
1) dot healing lol?
2) wound poison mortal strike and lol hunter aimshot post 2.3
3) and no it doesnt allows you breathing space against melee lolz. especially when ur hamstring'ed/cripple poisoned/frost snare.

Don't forget, CC is very important, but mobility is just as important in arenas.
your post regarding DP does NOT address CC or mobility. care to elaborate more?

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Added on November 7, 2007, 2:06 pmif wotf is ur sole reason for ud, then i can assure you its not even a must.

2v2/3v3 are filled with locks true, but that doesnt deny alliance priests in those said brackets to shine. you may argue that its cuz of fear ward, but lets be honest here, fear ward is only available to dwarf and draenai, and at the end of the day, like wotf, its only 1 fear shielding, if the lock's good he'll avoid DR and chain it after.

and fear ward's available next patch to all priest. isnt even an issue right now.

as for BE, not really. ive met teams in 2v2/3v3 running all BE setups and its VERY devastating to any healers especially if you got felhunter/spriest silence/mage counterspell to chain it with. whos gonna harm ur priest in the so called open when the person is already silenced to begin with. the only class viable to meat your elaboration are hunters, and they are only 1 class out of 9 where by their population arent exactly great in the lower brackets.

and when you mention bout 5's, if ur gettin targeted anyways you WILL get cut up so fast WITH OR WITHOUT being in the open as you cant LOS melee, and when ur snared/stunned you cant even move to los in the first place. 2's/3's as mentioned, silenced people cant cc or mana drain you, with the sole exception of hunters.

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Added on November 7, 2007, 2:10 pmat the end of the day, no one has even elaborated against this:



which no doubt, still stands and holds true.

the same goes even for pve. unless ur in high end raiding (the current high end = bt/hyjal, no, not crappy kara/gruul/tk/ssc) it still doesnt really matter. for alliance it may hold true with fear ward, but at the end of the day, horde does their raiding w/o fear ward, and next patch every priest is getting it.

as some already mentioned, choose your racial based on what you want, doesnt really matter what damn racial bonus it holds (unless of course, as mentioned, ur on high end raiding/arena)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 7 2007, 02:10 PM

- Thats exactly what I want him to do. I can either get close to him n fear or silence from range n dispel him from his HoT (yes, I dispel it early and if you don't it'll make you look stupid), then throw a shield/PoM on my teammate and getting in range to throw a fear at the druid.

assumingly you're refering yourself as shadow, popping out of shadow forms just to pom then back to shadow form? if you havent realized, if a shadow priest is forced outta shadow form your team pretty much already lost. oh and you're still not addressing how druid hots can > you. dispeling his other hots means nothing as he can always have lifebloom up. and everytime you dispel lifebloom ur only helping him. unless its a dumb druid that doesnt cover his hots with lifeblooms, then its his problem.

- Wow silence chain! 2 secs and 8 yards yay! Oh wait, we're talking about priest racials; spells that are only available to priests of a certain race. You're talking about a racial that's available to that single race, regardless of class so we might as well compare it to WoTF. Which is still better than your 2 sec silence.

in the first place we've already being discussing all racial abilities being included such as berserking and wotf, i dont see what kinda point you're trying to make, as i can also say oh oh wotf is available to undead warriors/rogues or likewise berserking. WOTF being better or not compared to BE silence, is still not the point as you still cannot make a point that it is significantly better to the extent of someone picking undead over BE. because the whole point addressed was racials, do NOT play a significant role unless you're in high end contents be it pvp or pve. and you're still, beating the dead horse.

- A shadow priest without VE isn't a shadow priest at all. How the hell are u gonna spec shadowform and vampiric touch without speccing VE? Wound poison mortal strike hunter aimshot? So, you're not gonna use any ability to at least mitigate some of their damage even though they cripple your healing by 50% and have bleed/poison effects on you? Listen to your own argument there man.

And no it does not allow me some breathing space against melee all the time. But SW:P & DP both tick for 500 over dmg every 3 secs, so every 3 secs my opponent is ticked for over 1k dmg and the dmg from DP is healing me back. And since you're talking abt breathing space and melee, can a belf priest break out of Intimidation Shout? Is their 2 sec silence gonna mean jacksh!t on a warr or rogue or hunter? Consume magic? Oh wait, consume his own buffs at a moment like this? Boy am I glad I'm UD.

because everyone's a shadow priest right? lol. and do you see me pointing out anywhere regarding shadow priest without VE? im merely refering to non-shadow priest players, which of course (dur!) exists, and since you're so fond of "general concensus", non-shadow priest, in general and by majority, have more population and have better standings on the higher rated ranks, if you do care about it anyways.

and in which part was mentioned that you shouldnt use VE with ms/wound/hunter aim shot on you? im pointing out that even with VE, you're not gonna get much healing off due to those healing negation abilities. even pure healers themselves have troubles healing through those abilities, needless to say a shadow priest dot healing, which hes obviously being targeted if he have ms/wound/hunter aim shot on him and with that, one can assume the said priest cant get mindflays/mindblasts off to maximize VE heals.

you wanna start reading and comprehending better now?

on resil targets, you can expect that to be:
1) mitigated over 10+%
2) people will always have 10k+ hp and dots will take time to work its way through it
3) most HOTs are ticking AT LEAST 600-900 already
4) DD heals does way more than that needless to say

while BE silence does nothing against the 3 out of 9 class you mentioned, you do remember theres other 6 classes, that will be affected right? lets compare wotf then, anti fear/sleep/charm only works against 3 classes where-else silence works against 6. just that odd alone is an advantage already. and thats for the horde side, alliance dont even have those 2 awesome pvp abilities to begin with. probably just dwarfs on their stoneskin form (the ONLY priest capable of stopping a full fledged drain mana team)

you glad with your UD, good, but thats YOUR preferences. and at the end of the day you're still NOT able to provide enough argument that racial does NOT play a critical role unless you are in high end content be it pvp or pve, and thats what im pointing out.

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Added on November 8, 2007, 1:47 pmif you're not gonna even bother to reply with something constructive, its best that you dont at all. and as ive said, im not debating/pointing out if one should be unique or lolself cut and sing emo songs.

im pointing out that racial, to any class even priests, does NOT by any means play a critical role in gameplay, unless you're in the high end hardcore contents in pvp, or pve.

every abilitiy gives you an edge, but due to the nature of racial abilities, it does not make any single races totally and entirely pre-dominant over another race.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 8 2007, 01:47 PM

QFT for that. thats what im trying to point out.

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Added on November 9, 2007, 2:47 amgettin nerf bat anyways~

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Added on November 9, 2007, 3:30 am

because we all know druids can only case lifeblooms once amirite?!



shadow priest teams rely on the shadow priest for pure dmg, and usually have another healer to do the healing unless ur in 2v2, and even in 2v2, zerging down 1 guy first before even thinking of ditching shadow form for heals is still preferable as you have the talents to do dmg and almost no talents into healing.

in simple terms, when a shadow priest is forced to do healing, the team is already at an disadvantage or already pretty much lost. because you might as well count the said shadow priest half a man over a full member of the team.

if you still cannot graps that, perhaps you dont arena enough.



because driud shifts cost WAY LESS mana, and druid dont need talents for travel form. its really that simple. unless blizzard start implementing talents for travel form so druids can own faces in travel form for them to stick with it like shadow priests, they will be spamming shifts on and off. especially resto druids.



again, im not projecting a mentality of losing, its really simple to "not lose", dont ever shift outta shadow form especially 3v3/5v5, unless 1 of your enemy is dead (in 2v2 only)
you taking my so called mentality being projected wrongly is your problem, dont push the blame on to me.



again, whos the person getting things wrong? im pointing out how racial doesnt play a crucial role in WoW unless ur in high-end pvp/pve. you're just going apeshit over my argument of BE silence is your problem. and if you think ONLY dwarf priest can get rid of DP, um wow, the other priest must be somewhat handicapped on dispeling huh? and felhunter dispel anyone? mage iceblocks? shows how knowledgeble you are right now. and thats JUST dispel, even more ways to counter dp from even landing the first place, but i guess you wouldnt even bother.



again, dont get butthurt when your misunderstanding my points. i dont see how my sentense imply that im point out shadow priest may or may not get VE. im pointing out that there are other priests that exist say holy priests? im sure this world only have shadow specced priest amirite? english comprehension may not be your best skill, but by no means should you be goin apeshit on people just because you are having trouble with english.



- i dont see how there is more reasons to throw in extra dot to help on self healing through dots, and ur not getting much in the first place, and thats assuming its not dispeled/cloakec/prevented off.
- good points, but still, does not address that undeads are clearly superior AND critical for someone to choose it over other races such as troll/blood elves. troll hex alone provides an advantage in teams adept at target switching with a 20% healing debuff, to provide time for dps'ers like hunters (aimshot 2.3, that has a lengthy castime), or rogues (that need time to stack their wounds). in the mean time the target is only capable of recieving 80% heals while gettin a sudden target switch. and troll berserking can be very useful if used properly be it holy or shadow specced.
- BE silence can be chained by other sources of silence eg: counterspell/priest self silence provided hes shadow/warlock spell lock etc. and because of this, blizz is considering to have DR on interrupts/silences, but eventually didnt made it because of intense QQ's. in shorter term, a caster is potentially able to be kept silence over 10 seconds++ and in arena pvp, even if ur 490+ resil, 10++ seconds of unable to do anything is still proven fatal.

and thats just covering the horde side, while alliance have 4 outta 5 races that are able to choose the priest class.



yes, i know the guy's asking what priest to choose for, and im giving advice to him. raiding, pvp or arenas, they share the same characteristic, and at the end of the day my advice still holds true, and till now you still havent done anything to prove otherwise. and im not seeking for thanks, he ask for advice, i give it as i see fit. and last i check, none of my information are useless and this is a messageboard after all where i could post what i see fit so long it doesnt violate the board rules, in which i didnt.

i choose to pvp is my own choise of what i want to do with wow, and to this extent, posting on this boards. and if you know what i do best, why are you posting crap about pvp'ing where raiding is what you probably do better and not pvp? if you wanna post arguments over my points, perhaps its smarter to post up raiding pointers over pvp pointers no? because you are in no way making a lot of strong points and are in many ways self contradicting and at the end of the day, does not even provide solid arguments of my point, which is: racial does NOT play a critical role in any class unless you are in high-end pvp/pve.

btw:
perhaps you are one having reading comprehension? i cant see how there are keywords of "raiding" anywhere in that particular sentence, instead i see the keyword "newbie"
and my advice are based solely on that.

and more FYI's! (omg?!)
there are ACTUALLY signs of appreciation on post #3
and omg i actually even made a post stating undeads DO have an edge in pvp on post #2

yet ur still argueing over this? hilarious really.

you love to raid, sure, i dont judge you for that, but dont even think about judging my love for pvp, as i know i can sure as hell rape the crap outta any raiders considering their lack of pvp'ing/resilience or both. as you even said yourself, to each it own. and i can back my own damn words by going to PTR, and you can even choose to 1v1 duel, 2v2,3v3,5v5 arena'ing me and/or my team. that way not even realm can be an excuse.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 9 2007, 03:30 AM

lol np, i welcome any constructive posts as its what the forums are about. and no doubt that would help people like TS find their answers easier.

but since you brought in taurens, noticed how many alliance QQ about warstomp? so given that, BE silence arent actually a bad thing. but latency is also one thing to consider, especially if ur warstomping. (LOLPUSHBACKS GG LATENCY)
thankfully arcane torrent is instant.

on cosmetic side, male BE arent that hot to begin with (unless ur a girl, but im not, so ill stick with that unless i deside to question my sexual preference) but their females are DEFINITELY a ton better than UD as saggy boobs arent too great imho

got armory profile please?

sorry moo, cant leave by posts like that un-attended, but ill try to keep it civil and obviously, constructive and holds relevance to the topic ^^

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Added on November 12, 2007, 10:11 am



and shadow fiends is the solution to everything right? not sure about you, but shadow fiends are VERY easily kited, cc'ed, or even to some teams that have heavy melee/physical/burst dmg - killed. and their mana returns arent done entirely in an instant.

and if your still not realizing this, im pointing out that every race, (believe or not dur!) is viable in pve and pvp, and again, for like the billionth time or so (yes i know, exaggerated) is NOT CRITICAL to a person's advancements UNLESS he is in the high end level eg: bt/hyjal for pve or post 2.4k ish ratings or so for pvp. is it that hard to understand? cuz this point alone ive been trying to somehow stick it into your face but to no success until this day. so why is this STILL a BE/UD issue i really have no idea.



and YOU know those supposedly generalised answers arent gonna help them?

and he only posted his preference AFTER you posting advices about pvp, and already started shooting down BE's. and from there on, its basically you apeshitting all over defending UD and constantly shooting down other races especially BE where as i am merely trying to make my point clear that racials are in no way critical to a person's gameplay in WoW, again, un less ur in the high end levels in pve/pvp.



and i cannot reply to information that is wrong/flawed? so we dont misguide the OP/TS? you mentioned something that is wrong/flawed in pvp (again your the one started with the "oh ud are like omg win for pvp" and already started shooting down other races before im even giving any pvp advices.

the only post that may hold true to your statement, is my post on post#10, where by im replying dishwasher on post#8, and then on post #11, you dashed in gunz blazing gung-ho, and from there on, total shit-fling.



AFAIK the title has not been changed to "rolling a shadowpriest" and now again, ur goin lol "OH HEY MR. KILLER I'M SORRY THAT U KILLED MY DAUGHTER!". im not really looking for an apology, but dont expect me to entertain you being ignorant by assuming everything. eg: me stating shadowpriests wont be getting VE where it was never stated or mentioned at all.



and thus ur just helping me proving my point.

when you're not even that credible for pvp, ur continously argue'ing against me about pvp. and while the op is (in the end) seeking to roll a ud shadow priests, you're still feeding constantly flawed/wrong informations to the thread (which is the OP's thread) and i dont see why it is wrong to correct it.

i mean hell, u should leave the advice to the ppl who are knowledgeable about this issue. instead of going on and on about pvp... thats just real sad. back at ye face? im more knowledgeble in pvp, which can be proven by a my armory, ratings, and even a match up if you continue to disbelieve, and you're going on and on about pvp, in which, i couldnt stand by and see you continously spouting constant flawed/incorrect information to the thread.

as far as i am re-viewing my own posts, i believe almost everyone of them if not all, contains at least contructive materials which are in contribution to the thread. not so much since page 2 as opposed to page 1 as its pretty much just you and me shit flinging. oh and hey, be more mature on the whole cool kids thing, id understand if you dont have the gear/skill/people for the ptr, but all you have to do is say it, no one's gonna make fun at ye (at least i wont) because you pve, because likewise, you get to kill kewl bosses like illidan or archimonde, i dont, simple as that.

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Added on November 12, 2007, 10:12 amgoin AR PREP post Season3 though, ill be missing backstabs/mutilates, but a OP'ed spec is just an OP'ed spec, and i play to win

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 12 2007, 10:12 AM

pve perhaps, pvp, show us the ratings and gear sets before we even start. AFAIK ive never even seen flush's armory yet. so imo its really too early to make any definitive judgements on his pvp achievements per say.

long story short, its more like:

priest player: im a raiding priest and i do occassional pvp but ive already know pvp inside out just because i do some form of casual pvp. and ill post post whore and get biased just because i <3 undead much.

priest forum troll(now this is the priest forum right? lol): no, undeads dont make you insta-win, especially in pvp, especially coming from a player that pvp day in and out, and ive got the ratings and gear and games played to prove that im no bullshit.

at least someone's enjoying something outta this lmao

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Added on November 13, 2007, 9:18 am

i would REALLY want you to quote that from any of my posts made here in the WoW sub-forum, until then, your just vomiting those words out of no where. (and thats me being reeeeeaaally civil here) AFAIK i was the person that was claiming how rogues and hunters were horrible on 5v5's, so what ur saying here is totally against what i claimed and even till this very day i stand by this statement. patch 2.3 will be entirely changing this but till this day patch 2.3 is not out yet (tonight though!)

if you DONT pvp much, you clearly do not have much credit as opposed to someone that does day in and day out, AND yields results, in which ive never been afraid to show them. they may not be world top rankings etc, but they are something, and as far as im concerned, probably way better than w/e pvp achievements you've made since you've never even bothered to show them, to even back your credits up.

so yeah, go on spewing random "RGOUES MUTLATE FOR 3K PEWPEW! I WILL REPLAEC PRIESTS WITH ROUGES ANYTIME!" "All I can say is, ZOMG! PEWPEW! 3K MUTILATE!" because its CLEARLY making you look smarter, and proves your point much better, CLEARLY.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 13 2007, 09:18 AM

busy day at work, only managed to take few glances alt tabbing at the thread and its really derailed to god knows wherever the shit flinging party train went.

anyways, lets make some replies!


wow lets see, when did BC started? and WHEN did arenas and the resilience started?
then check the date of the thread. now that we got those facts in, lets begin.



my own self quote again, notice from the post there isnt anywhere mentioning i would lol kick a priest out and replace with a rogue. im merely pointing the fact, given the date of the thread, that rogues are more viable than a priest in arenas. if you didnt knew, back in the days where people were RARELY goin over 100-200 resilience (health/stam is also in relation), rogue's burst dmg is still running wild and in 5v5's, priest are very commonly insta-gibbed. HELL, even this very day and age, priests are STILL capable of gettin insta-gibbed with 500 resilience and 11-12k unbuffed hp.

with the above said, its pretty obvious which class is more viable over another.

but hey, scroll up, and see the % of priest vs rogues. people still bring em anyways, with the main reasons of mass dispel/mana burns. teams can easily burst down frost mages or even counter paladin teams (and thats the dominating healer class at that point, and even to an extent this day and age) via mass dispel. so long the priest can break even that 1 immune and die off, hes already done his job and it wouldnt matter all too much. trading a paladin or maybe ice mage with a priest is quite a fair trade, especially if your priest manages to not get insta-gibbed right off the bat.

your quote:


not even a part mentioning rogues will have a tough time in 5v5. only mentioning priests are more viable in arenas/bgs than rogues.

in which following would be my reply as quoted by you and again by me as above.
which is in disagreement with you because thats what happening as i mentioned above in this post, during that time period.

since we're on the memory lane.

lets look at the evolution of the priest class through out the ages since arena season 1 started, until today. compare priest with the other 3 kinds of healers. if you havent noticed, priests are the ONLY healer that goes CRAZY on stacking stam/resil, while the other healers are actually goin for mana pool, +healing, +regen or even to some extent crit over crazy focus of stamina/resilience. why do you think they do that? im sure you already know the answer, i mean, your the priest right?

and thus, i bring my own words up again:


wheres the exact quote of me claiming:
"RGOUES MUTLATE FOR 3K PEWPEW! I WILL REPLAEC PRIESTS WITH ROUGES ANYTIME!"

and again, as said in bolded quoted texts, and as mentioned yourself, you also know that i was the one "supposedly QQ'ing" regarding rogues in arenas during recent times. check back that thread for me if you will, and look at the date. if im not mistaken, its already season2 where everyone is geared, and resilience is putting a dent to rogues and hunter's burst dmg capabilities. so, what was the issue here?
you're basically:
- vomitting out words outta god knows which part of your body is vomitting
- creating issues that werent issues in the first place

so yea, at the end of the day, im still going to:
- throw your own lines back at your face (because your STILL unable to make solid statement and claims)
- shoot you down for not pvping much and still going on about pvp (honestly, i could really give a rat's ass for you not pvp'ing much, but when ur gonna make so much rant about pvp'ing where your experience are somewhat limited, im going to really use that against you like it or not)
- think that because i pvp all the time, my thoughts are doctrine. (just like how ur standing by your raiding arguments, you cant change my thoughts, nor could i change yours, so if im gonna go by that my thoughts are the absolute universal law, you cant just come in gunz blazing and brain wash me now can you?)

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Added on November 13, 2007, 7:56 pmwell, for one, i got a priest in my 8 man 5v5 arena roster, and as the team's leader and obviously manager of the team, i do watch him play, and even if im not free, i will have to make myself free, to ensure that he is playing at his best, what is his weakness, what is his advantage, and from there, wherether i like it or know, i will have to know a thing or 2 about priest.

the same goes for raiding too, and that job usually goes to the guild leader, or officers, or class leaders.

if you cant grasp that, perhaps your experience in end game be it pve or pvp is limited? or you've never knew the hardships of being in the leadership role and ur just either hopping on the epic bandwagon leeching epics?

and before you make rebutals, armory link please?

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:07 pmand thats why gnomes are getting nerfed on 2.3!!!

but yea, actually its kinda the other way around, it does matter in high end pvp/pve situations. its just the non-high ends it doesnt matter at all. but maybe its just a matter of opinions in this

and actually the thread's bout some guy asking about race to pick as a priest, it just got awfully derailed
and op's into raiding yo.

and just FYI, I, as a ROGUE, leads and manages a rather decent arena team. while its not something entirely ownage, but compared to the people on LYN thus far, and the people on my realm during our GMT +8 timezone, we currently #1 in terms of ratings.
and thats just me, theres MANY other top rogues that are doing pretty damn good in arenas these days as the resilience impact over rogues are slowly fading away as gear scales for rogues much better compared to defense/healer classes as theres a resilience cap that blizzard currently have no plans to remove at the moment.

try to look up neilyo from warcraftmovies.com
and ming is semi-retired, hes just a casual player. theres many MANY rogues being much better than him, neilyo is one fine example, and that again, is just one rogue.

anyways you can refer to my thread in LYN, or my linkage of armory all over this forum. hell, ill make it easier for you: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:10 pmnow now, in the first place ive never even posted on how to play a priest. last i check advises on racial dont really relate to "playing a priest 101"
and secondly as sets mentioned, you dont have to play a priest yourself to know things like:
priest can heal, priest can dispel, priest can fear for example
and third, maybe you should STFU instead? as your currently not contributing to the thread.

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:11 pmno lol

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:17 pmblood elf paladins, vs their alliance counterparts.

uh oh, failing the fact part of "Priest is the only class with 2 racial"

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:18 pmoh hell no it aint just a game, its a WORLD! of warcraft

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:27 pmso now he somehow punched his own testicles. anyways!
yes, you are right that it does help you GRASP (grab isnt really the word here) the basics of a specific class.

but its also not a surprise when veteran players that know how to read english, know how to read tooltips, or even read forums learning and knowing the inside outs (things such as mechanics/formulas/spreadsheets calculations etc, hell, ill do you a favor, just go elitistjerks.com) of another class that he've never played 1-70 and he could still jump in and play that said class at a decent level and in due time, he could be just as good or even much better than a player that played the class from 1-70.

and since we're now talking about who holds more weight in an argument, and we've known beforehand that PVP and PVE is 2 worlds apart, what makes you think that a person playing a priest in pve, holds more point in a pvp argument over a person that does only pvp, even if he does not play a priest? (and lol i used to sometimes logon my friend's priest account which is also 70 to pvp/pve, if you even wanna count that)

and its BECAUSE of his armory rating he hold more weight in the argument. whatever ratings you are in arenas, or even pvp, knowing your opponents is as good as knowing half of the battle. if my opponent is a priest, i HAVE to know the priest class inside out, what he can do to me, what i can do to him and things like that. i mean, wow, is it really that hard to understand?

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:30 pmQFT

really just depends on the player. even an ebayer can kick ass in pve/pvp if hes good himself to begin with. (which is why i sometimes wonder on the ebay remark, even funnier when those said critisizers that got their face owned by the very ebayer they critisize.)

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Added on November 13, 2007, 8:31 pmand to end this wall of text.

pie > cake.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 13 2007, 08:31 PM

because blizz forcing pvp'ers to pve for badges.

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Added on November 14, 2007, 3:29 amyou know BOF targets can be stunned and with KS +9% dmg, targets can be burnt easily if they are low on resil/stam right? why does this have nothing to do with resil and stam really baffles me.

and again i throw your words back at you of not evaluating what ive said in my post back in april, and this thread:
prior to season 2, many newbies, and yes, even my scrubby team, thats around 100-200 resil, can survive and play very decently against the majority of teams.

comparing that to the current end of season2, if ur below 300 resil, you can pretty much say that ur not gonna be living long against any decent team out there, hell, even some damn 1500 teams are rollin with full merciless decked players (lol rerolling teams/gold teams)
and lets not forget, blessing of freedom has been around forever, rogues have never really complained about BOF considering they are stunnable, ESPECIALLY pre-bc where stunlocking 100-0 is VERY possible. and why would it really change now? the only thing contributing to bof being cried upon is mainly due to the increased stamina budget allocation on gears, and no doubt, in arenas, resilience.

with all the above said, you still think im just giving up excuses like season2 is not out yet and what not?
and btw, what cross dispeling? AFAIK priests cant dispel poison, and if the paladin's gonna work his way outta layered wounds, someone's gotta do the healing, and it definitely aint the priest thats gettin his ass locked down with wound layers on him.

ok, at least you are being honest. so WHY are you shooting at me on giving pvp advises while your doing that already without even playing the game during that time to begin with? and what have you proved true? priest paladin healer combo on paper isnt an entirely solid make up to begin with, but this is of course subjected to the remaining group's setup.

in general, a 2 healer setup would consist of 1 O 1 D. while priest paladin fits that role, the nature of priest's fragility and paladin's durability created a rift between the 2 and without a doubt, the priest would be the ONLY target if the enemy is only targeting healers.

a more balanced out healer team would be, in example:
O D
Shaman Paladin
Priest Druid
Priest Shaman
shaman Druid

what the above table shows that in the above 4 healer setup, your enemy is actually viable to choose either healers to go for, and thus freeing the priest's burden of being an absolute sole target. your example of a paladin and priest setup, would almost guarantee the priest being focused should your opponent opt for going for the healers first. that limits the priest's biggest ultility they bring forth in their team: Massdispels/Manaburns/mind control.
under those circumstances, the priest is only able to spam instants such as PWS/Renews (subjected to offensive dispels) and sneaking in flashes time to time. which of course, greatly reduces his effeciency.
from the above table, druid is no doubt one of the best class to escape a focus fire, via travel form and spam shifting to remove snares/roots, so not much is needed to elaborate about. Shamans on the other hand, do have a significant advantage over priest while under fired. while they do not have immunities, and plate from paladin, or the amazing escaping skills of a druid, they have shield and mail too regardless to ward of a good ammount of physical dmg. and even for spells, so long the shaman is very adept at using his grounding just for the big nukes and not random icelance spams/dots etc, he is very capable of shutting down caster dps to a certain degree. low cooldown earthshocks also helps a lot in that regard.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 14 2007, 03:29 AM