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RON subsidy shud base on road tax $$ & fancy plate
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TSknwong
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 Oct 21 2024, 06:38 PM, updated 2 months ago
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I think it is fair to subsidize petrol based on engine cc or road tax that we pay. We can use 1,600cc as cut off  So if T15 maha kaya own a 2.4L Alphard, whether you are housewife or kids without income...no subsidy when fuel up. You are already born into super rich family. Likewise if you own 2 digits and below fancy plate number...no RON subsidy. You can afford to splurge 5 figures for that plate already If you are fake rich yaya papaya want to own luxury high cc car and have fancy plate number...also no subsidy. Who ask you to wear hat bigger than your head If T15 have thick face choose to drive B40 cars like Axia, very much welcome to get subsidy...they cannot go too far with it anyway. This post has been edited by knwong: Oct 21 2024, 07:34 PM |
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ameliorate
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Oct 21 2024, 06:44 PM
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I kinda agree. You drive big and expensive car then you pay more. Maybe those earn 2k want to buy civic ketam will insaf.
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spamfish
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Oct 21 2024, 06:45 PM
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proven it does not pay to upgrade our std of living and pay tax...just remain b40 cukup...
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shinichi88
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Oct 21 2024, 06:47 PM
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luxury car many 1.5L turbo..
cannot use engine CC..
should use car value..
forsee some might drive 1.5L engine car go pump full,
then balik rumah or workshop, transfer petrol over big car..
This post has been edited by shinichi88: Oct 21 2024, 06:49 PM
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TSknwong
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Oct 21 2024, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(shinichi88 @ Oct 21 2024, 06:47 PM) luxury car many 1.5L turbo.. cannot use engine CC.. should use car value.. forsee some might drive 1.5L engine car go pump full, then balik rumah or workshop, transfer petrol over big car.. Cannot use car value. Recond car value too low. Use CC and lower to 1.5L then as cut off better Transfer petrol is easier said than done. For few ringgit savings T15 won’t have so much time to do that useless thing |
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-PuPu^ZaPruD3r-
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Oct 21 2024, 07:02 PM
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In my place, all those ppl driving new BMW and Mercedes all pumping RON 95.. So pathetic if u ask me..
I love and have nice number plates so I don't agree on this
This post has been edited by -PuPu^ZaPruD3r-: Oct 21 2024, 07:03 PM
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soul78
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Oct 21 2024, 07:04 PM
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WHAT IF... ayamz got 2 cars.. one is mahbi... one is massaTreti.. ayamz take mahbi... to go pam petrol.. and cum back and siphone petrol into massatreti...  |
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Sichiri
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Oct 21 2024, 07:07 PM
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Cukur GR Corolla with 1.6l 3cyl engine can enjoy subsidy
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qsub
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Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Oct 21 2024, 07:04 PM) WHAT IF... ayamz got 2 cars.. one is mahbi... one is massaTreti.. ayamz take mahbi... to go pam petrol.. and cum back and siphone petrol into massatreti... If i were u, i take out back seat and replace big a$$ fuel tank. Lagi best. |
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niakulah
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Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM
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Remove all fuel subsidies.
Implement targeted monthly cash subsidies based on income and estimated cost of living based off of work location. e.g. working in Batu Pahat get lesser than working in JB. Enough to cover a median commute. Maybe a bit of bonus for major holidays. Need to apply yearly for the subsidy with some kind of letter from employer.
You want to ronda-ronda, road trip, cuti-cuti Malaysia, do it without subsidies.
Of course it's not gonna happen because politicians will (mostly) do what is popular, not what is right.
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mac_mac21
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Oct 21 2024, 07:12 PM
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How to implement that?
Rakyat will buta buta follow the rules?
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soul78
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Oct 21 2024, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(qsub @ Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM) If i were u, i take out back seat and replace big a$$ fuel tank. Lagi best.  |
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katijar
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Oct 21 2024, 07:14 PM
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Buy car that time already pay more tax.
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Koifreshie
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Oct 21 2024, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Oct 21 2024, 07:02 PM) In my place, all those ppl driving new BMW and Mercedes all pumping RON 95.. So pathetic if u ask me.. I love and have nice number plates so I don't agree on this What is wrong with that? These cars are all made to run with that octane level hence why would anyone want to pump anything else? |
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Sichiri
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Oct 21 2024, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(Koifreshie @ Oct 21 2024, 07:15 PM) What is wrong with that? These cars are all made to run with that octane level hence why would anyone want to pump anything else? Every single driver I know say pump 97 above give them more power. |
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-PuPu^ZaPruD3r-
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Oct 21 2024, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(Koifreshie @ Oct 21 2024, 07:15 PM) What is wrong with that? These cars are all made to run with that octane level hence why would anyone want to pump anything else? Nothing wrong with pumping lower quality RON 95 but they should be pumping RON 97 without subsidy like Singaporeans My boss makes sure all his company and personal cars pump RON 97 even for normal Proton cars because he doesn't want to be cheapskate |
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red_satu
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Oct 21 2024, 07:18 PM
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Not by road tax, since some people might be using some decade old 2.0 gas guzzler and can't afford to get a more economical one for their needs. Should be by insured sum. 100k insured sum is the threshold for example.
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teehk_tee
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Oct 21 2024, 07:19 PM
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better to remove all blanket subsidies. its proven to be a failed formula to use subsidies
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badmilk
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Oct 21 2024, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 21 2024, 06:38 PM) I think it is fair to subsidize petrol based on engine cc or road tax that we pay. We can use 1,600cc as cut off So if T15 maha kaya own a 2.4L Alphard, whether you are housewife or kids without income...no subsidy when fuel up. You are already born into super rich family. Likewise if you own 2 digits and below fancy plate number...no RON subsidy. You can afford to splurge 5 figures for that plate already If you are fake rich yaya papaya want to own luxury high cc car and have fancy plate number...also no subsidy. Who ask you to wear hat bigger than your head If T15 have thick face choose to drive B40 cars like Axia, very much welcome to get subsidy...they not going to go far with it anyway. They already announced they will reclassify the t15 and not based on existing data. Its cool they do that . Lets wait and see how the breakdown will be like. |
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h@ksam
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Oct 21 2024, 07:22 PM
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meanwhile the Thais are laughing cause they still get blanket subsidies from us
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qsub
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Oct 21 2024, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(katijar @ Oct 21 2024, 07:14 PM) Buy car that time already pay more tax. Thats the problem, gomen should abolish all tax. Then i have no problem with no petrol subsidy. Bonus i pay gst. |
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Koifreshie
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Oct 21 2024, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 21 2024, 07:17 PM) Every single driver I know say pump 97 above give them more power. Not too sure about that. Long term pumping it may result in a cleaner engine but topping a lower octane fuel with engine additive can do the same. |
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Koifreshie
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Oct 21 2024, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Oct 21 2024, 07:18 PM) Nothing wrong with pumping lower quality RON 95 but they should be pumping RON 97 without subsidy like Singaporeans My boss makes sure all his company and personal cars pump RON 97 even for normal Proton cars because he doesn't want to be cheapskate Cheapskate? I think he/she is letting his/her ego get the better of himself/herself. |
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TSknwong
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Oct 21 2024, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(red_satu @ Oct 21 2024, 07:18 PM) Not by road tax, since some people might be using some decade old 2.0 gas guzzler and can't afford to get a more economical one for their needs. Should be by insured sum. 100k insured sum is the threshold for example. Classic car can get 80% road tax discount. So subsidy can also start from there…provided already reach the age |
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akecema
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Oct 21 2024, 07:28 PM
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MADANI 8481 or MADANI 99 got subsidies or not?
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FlamingFox
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Oct 21 2024, 07:28 PM
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Give subsidy only to the following:
- Kapchai
- Proton Saga, Iriz, Persona
- Perodua Axia, Bezza, Myvi
Everyone else tak layak
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TSknwong
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Oct 21 2024, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Oct 21 2024, 07:04 PM) WHAT IF... ayamz got 2 cars.. one is mahbi... one is massaTreti.. ayamz take mahbi... to go pam petrol.. and cum back and siphone petrol into massatreti... Easier said than done. Real T15 won’t be bother do that nonsense to save few pennies. They are busy thinking of how to earn more moolah rather than saving |
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ihm11
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Oct 21 2024, 07:31 PM
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those who say ron97 moar power prolly nvr change fuel filter in years
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Freshmeat21
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Oct 21 2024, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Oct 21 2024, 07:22 PM) meanwhile the Thais are laughing cause they still get blanket subsidies from us including indons, pinoys cukur dapat subsidy from malaysian gomen  |
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Sichiri
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Oct 21 2024, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Oct 21 2024, 07:28 PM) Give subsidy only to the following: - Kapchai - Proton Saga, Iriz, Persona - Perodua Axia, Bezza, Myvi Everyone else tak layak how do you even enforce this? Everyone will just buy kapchai as a 'subsidy token' then pump their Porsche  |
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blanket84
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Oct 21 2024, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM) Remove all fuel subsidies. Implement targeted monthly cash subsidies based on income and estimated cost of living based off of work location. e.g. working in Batu Pahat get lesser than working in JB. Enough to cover a median commute. Maybe a bit of bonus for major holidays. Need to apply yearly for the subsidy with some kind of letter from employer. You want to ronda-ronda, road trip, cuti-cuti Malaysia, do it without subsidies. Of course it's not gonna happen because politicians will (mostly) do what is popular, not what is right. This. Remove all fuel subsidies. Give RM100 per month to every B85 to cover the fuel subsidies, and all other subsidies. |
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DarkNite
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Oct 21 2024, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(shinichi88 @ Oct 21 2024, 06:47 PM) luxury car many 1.5L turbo.. cannot use engine CC.. should use car value.. forsee some might drive 1.5L engine car go pump full, then balik rumah or workshop, transfer petrol over big car.. That's why consumption tax aka VAT/GST is fairer and transparent. You use more, you pay more. |
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danieln
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Oct 21 2024, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM) Remove all fuel subsidies. Implement targeted monthly cash subsidies based on income and estimated cost of living based off of work location. e.g. working in Batu Pahat get lesser than working in JB. Enough to cover a median commute. Maybe a bit of bonus for major holidays. Need to apply yearly for the subsidy with some kind of letter from employer. You want to ronda-ronda, road trip, cuti-cuti Malaysia, do it without subsidies. Of course it's not gonna happen because politicians will (mostly) do what is popular, not what is right. who are you trying to kill??? you do know how the gov give nonsense stats to make themselves look good. gov will say RM500/month is enough for 1 family of 4, so subsidy will only be RM50 then everyone die. LOL |
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lukaka
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Oct 21 2024, 07:50 PM
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So malanfan for what ... Cancel subsidy... Let market decided the living cost. Interfere too much by subsidy doesn't make rakyat smart... It just another kind of tongkat
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red_satu
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Oct 21 2024, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 21 2024, 07:27 PM) Classic car can get 80% road tax discount. So subsidy can also start from there…provided already reach the age But that takes too long. If they can afford to buy new RM150K plus, then they don't need that subsidit. But if the car value has dropped well below and sold used, then that dude could use subsidies. Besides, road tax, or at least the current structure, isn't helpful in determining the cars worth. There are Mercs with 1.6L turbos for example. Revise first based on power output like EVs if want to use road tax |
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ceo684
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Oct 21 2024, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Oct 21 2024, 07:18 PM) Nothing wrong with pumping lower quality RON 95 but they should be pumping RON 97 without subsidy like Singaporeans My boss makes sure all his company and personal cars pump RON 97 even for normal Proton cars because he doesn't want to be cheapskate Nothing wrong with RON92 in the old days. 4c diff then made for half a litre more fuel. |
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vearn29
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Oct 21 2024, 08:13 PM
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should based on fuel capacity and vehicle power and torque
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TSknwong
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Oct 21 2024, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Oct 21 2024, 07:11 PM) Remove all fuel subsidies. Implement targeted monthly cash subsidies based on income and estimated cost of living based off of work location. e.g. working in Batu Pahat get lesser than working in JB. Enough to cover a median commute. Maybe a bit of bonus for major holidays. Need to apply yearly for the subsidy with some kind of letter from employer. You want to ronda-ronda, road trip, cuti-cuti Malaysia, do it without subsidies. Of course it's not gonna happen because politicians will (mostly) do what is popular, not what is right. Cannot do based on income and locality. There are many Msian working in SG or oversea that have 0 income in Malaysia. Like my friend working as banker in London and put his Muar address together with his retired parents Subsidize based on car you drive is fair |
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saiga
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Oct 21 2024, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Oct 21 2024, 07:02 PM) In my place, all those ppl driving new BMW and Mercedes all pumping RON 95.. So pathetic if u ask me.. I love and have nice number plates so I don't agree on this Unker use 10 year old bimmer and pump ron 95. Why? Because unker's CBU car from factory already tuned with ron95 and fuel cap also got sticker advise to pump ron 95. If unker next car purchase stated must only use ron97, then unker will pump 97 lor. Btw, unker no plate also quite nice number, hehe. |
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Selectt
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Oct 21 2024, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 21 2024, 06:57 PM) Cannot use car value. Recond car value too low. Use CC and lower to 1.5L then as cut off better Transfer petrol is easier said than done. For few ringgit savings T15 won’t have so much time to do that useless thing use horsepower |
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focusrite
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Oct 21 2024, 08:50 PM
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Why not just base on insurance value?
My car 2.0 but value less than 20k
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niakulah
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Oct 21 2024, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 21 2024, 08:37 PM) Cannot do based on income and locality. There are many Msian working in SG or oversea that have 0 income in Malaysia. Like my friend working as banker in London and put his Muar address together with his retired parents Subsidize based on car you drive is fair Can. As I said, apply yearly with letter from employer, stating your salary and work location. Zero income means no letter. No work, no commuting, no fuel subsidy. Maybe get unemployment benefits until they "find a job" but that's it. It's not perfect, nothing is. Every system can be gamed; has its flaws. But it's still better than your suggestion. |
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TSknwong
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Oct 22 2024, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE(Selectt @ Oct 21 2024, 08:47 PM) Also fair. Rich want to drive fast powerful cars no need subsidy. Need to revamp the road tax structure |
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TSknwong
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Oct 22 2024, 07:31 AM
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QUOTE(focusrite @ Oct 21 2024, 08:50 PM) Why not just base on insurance value? My car 2.0 but value less than 20k Recond car low value so a bit unfair |
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submergedx
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Oct 22 2024, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 21 2024, 06:38 PM) I think it is fair to subsidize petrol based on engine cc or road tax that we pay. We can use 1,600cc as cut off So if T15 maha kaya own a 2.4L Alphard, whether you are housewife or kids without income...no subsidy when fuel up. You are already born into super rich family. Likewise if you own 2 digits and below fancy plate number...no RON subsidy. You can afford to splurge 5 figures for that plate already If you are fake rich yaya papaya want to own luxury high cc car and have fancy plate number...also no subsidy. Who ask you to wear hat bigger than your head If T15 have thick face choose to drive B40 cars like Axia, very much welcome to get subsidy...they cannot go too far with it anyway. diu sohai TS |
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Heroicage
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Oct 22 2024, 08:02 AM
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Kereta mewah bukan saja tinggi CC je..... Still lacking behind carbon taxes..... Becoz b40 still spitting thick blavk fumes....
Padahal.... Cakap reformasi harga kereta turun..... Yang turun saja FDI, GDP dan subsidi....
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Chrix
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Oct 22 2024, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(focusrite @ Oct 21 2024, 08:50 PM) Why not just base on insurance value? My car 2.0 but value less than 20k Finally some common n realistic sense. But then crony lose income |
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ki_maxs
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Oct 22 2024, 08:07 AM
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what 1.6 as cutoff then all those 1.5 tebu close to 200k car can get subsidy but cheap ass 1.8 NA car kenot get subsidy.
dont be bodo
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gogocan
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Oct 22 2024, 08:13 AM
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So many loopholes... don't know why govt still want to pursue..just collect GST and continue with the subsidy
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