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zidane28
post Nov 25 2024, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 25 2024, 10:44 AM)
Ya. Our player can only play Manchester DNA style. No coincidence when former player in charge, we score for fun.

When ask to play gegenpressing la, this la that la, they can't adapt, looks like kid baru belajar. Eth notice it, end up with a team with no identity cause he dunno other way to play.

Hope this Amorim can either drill his way to the players quickly or adapt. Rashy first goal is purely from tactic. But after a while team look lost, forgot how to play Amorim ball d lul.

I can see a lot of clear chance with half the field for our players to run once we break Ipswich pressing with long ball/amad dalot carry the ball 1-1 from flank. But old habit hard to change. Bruno pass backward when ada chance. Garnacho wasteful. Dalot too. Back 3 looks lost dunno what to do with sideway pass.

I don't advocate change whole team to suit manager. Manager need to bring the best out of players. Ruud prove this players can win easily on mid table teams without even bother on tactic.
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So is like, unless manager suit our player style, or else waiting to get sacked...

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post Nov 25 2024, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 25 2024, 09:41 AM)
Lol everyone expect new manager all can macam ole, bring us to 15 unbeaten matches immediately ke? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Or macam arne slot, immediately challenge for epl trophy after 14 days training?
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Amorim cant do that??..then hire him for what?...

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post Nov 25 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Nov 25 2024, 10:51 AM)
So is like, unless manager suit our player style, or else waiting to get sacked...

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See Amorim can train the players or not. Still too little time for him to train. But I dun expect it need more than 3 months to show the identity.

I thought Ruud found a good winning combo of ugarte and casimero. But since a lot new manager die die want implement their own philosophy, they have to make it happen while winning games la. Not like eth keeps need time.

I like Amorim yesterday reaction though. He doesn't seems satisfied with their play at all. Final secs ask mazaroui long ball but he decide pass sideways πŸ˜‚

From Amorim interview
'It is a tough league. My players were thinking too much during the game. You can feel it. Not just on the ball but where they are supposed to be on the pitch,' he said.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Nov 25 2024, 11:02 AM)
See Amorim can train the players or not. Still too little time for him to train. But I dun expect it need more than 3 months to show the identity.

I thought Ruud found a good winning combo of ugarte and casimero. But since a lot new manager die die want implement their own philosophy, they have to make it happen while winning games la. Not like eth keeps need time.

I like Amorim yesterday reaction though. He doesn't seems satisfied with their play at all. Final secs ask mazaroui long ball but he decide pass sideways πŸ˜‚

From Amorim interview
'It is a tough league. My players were thinking too much during the game. You can feel it. Not just on the ball but where they are supposed to be on the pitch,' he said.
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i hope he is not stubborn and not using case + ugarte cause wants to be different... works well for rvn... prolly switch out rashford with hojlund and have a stable midfield with ugarte and casein the middle... and maybe we can have better and faster defense...
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:25 AM

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In terms of the starting eleven, give Amorim the benefit of the doubt.
He's mostly picked players without internationals maybe because he had more time to work with them in training. And that's only a week.

If we are brutally honest about the game, we would have lost if not for Onana's performance. Even the goal had a deflection which changed the height of the shot.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:58 AM

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If DNA way is the right way, then Ole would still be the manager.

Ruud's a legend, sure, but the team played better post-ETH firing. It's just the "honeymoon" feeling.

The same happened when Jose got fired, then suddenly played better with Ole.
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post Nov 25 2024, 12:03 PM

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It's just the first game. We all know a lot of players needs to go. I think summer need some spending to get the player he wants. At least Amorim is not delusional like ETH at the moment.
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post Nov 25 2024, 12:06 PM

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Need few transfer window to bring in Sporting players to play amorim style of football..

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post Nov 25 2024, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 25 2024, 12:03 PM)
It's just the first game. We all know a lot of players needs to go. I think summer need some spending to get the player he wants. At least Amorim is not delusional like ETH at the moment.
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It's his first game, too early for him to be delusional.
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post Nov 25 2024, 12:35 PM

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ETH is using mainstream modern football tactics, but the players can’t execute them properly. I think Amorim will have a hard time because his tactics require extra running, more positional play and support from wide area.


Good luck, Amorim

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post Nov 25 2024, 12:48 PM

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that's the thing about the whole thing with this club.

LVG tried the back 3, but abandoned it after a month or so.

Ole with the DNA bs. Then Rangnick with gegenpressing.

And finally ETH with his ideas of football, but same story, the players just cant seem to follow. Of cos he wanted his own players, hence the lots from Dutch league, but he didn't get the right players that can play with the ones he inherited.

So, the question now, are we cursed? Fergie's curse? Glazer's? lol.

I just saw Amorim's latest interview when he said he told the players, it will be his style, his system... no plan B, etc. so they have to learn it and train. Sounds familiar?

I like Amorim, so I wish him best of luck.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Nov 25 2024, 12:48 PM)
that's the thing about the whole thing with this club.

LVG tried the back 3, but abandoned it after a month or so.

Ole with the DNA bs. Then Rangnick with gegenpressing.

And finally ETH with his ideas of football, but same story, the players just cant seem to follow. Of cos he wanted his own players, hence the lots from Dutch league, but he didn't get the right players that can play with the ones he inherited.

So, the question now, are we cursed? Fergie's curse? Glazer's? lol.

I just saw Amorim's latest interview when he said he told the players, it will be his style, his system... no plan B, etc. so they have to learn it and train. Sounds familiar?

I like Amorim, so I wish him best of luck.
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At the end of the day who is going to back up the ultimatum if the players can't execute the style?

Because between changing the players and the manager, it is always easier to change the manager.

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Nov 25 2024, 01:36 PM)
At the end of the day who is going to back up the ultimatum if the players can't execute the style?

Because between changing the players and the manager, it is always easier to change the manager.
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Yes, no matter how bad are the players, the manager/coach will get the boot.

It easier to blame the manager for playing Rashy or Antony, for ETH case.

Then blame Ole for playing Maguire, and remember the case of Van De Beek? Fans already asked for Ole's head for not playing VDB.

It's always the manager's fault for either playing the players they hate, or not playing the players they love. Sakit la jadi MU manager.

Last resort for dispute, rindu zaman Fergie. lol.
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post Nov 25 2024, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Nov 25 2024, 12:03 PM)
It's just the first game. We all know a lot of players needs to go. I think summer need some spending to get the player he wants. At least Amorim is not delusional like ETH at the moment.
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come back after 3 seasons and 2 trophies laugh.gif

de fak of course a lot of players needs to go.. yes i agreed but whats the point after replacing with new players if a lot of die hard loyal man utd fans want an instant success rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

the moment he plays sporting formation, we know he have no idea what kind of squad he is dealing with ... the current team cannot adapt!! WAKE THE F UP

amorim cannot repeat the same mistake like rangnick with gegenpress, tenhag with playing from the back, or sporting ..he MUST adapt to the players he have now, like what ruud did ... most man utd players just know how to play direct football man utd way ole ball moments FC $hit ..he need to work on that 1st ..

else, oh man its going to be a disaster


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post Nov 25 2024, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Nov 25 2024, 03:06 PM)
amorim cannot repeat the same mistake like rangnick with gegenpress, tenhag with playing from the back, or sporting ..he MUST adapt to the players he have now, like what ruud did ... most man utd players just know how to play direct football man utd way ole ball moments FC $hit ..he need to work on that 1st ..

else, oh man its going to be a disaster
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In that case it won't be amorim's fault but the board's fault for picking him as the manager then.
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QUOTE(imin @ Nov 25 2024, 03:14 PM)
In that case it won't be amorim's fault but the board's fault for picking him as the manager then.
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For me this season I hope to see at least top 6-8.. if can top 4 UCL of course that will be bonus and a hell of a job by Amorim.
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post Nov 25 2024, 03:31 PM

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the players are still stuck in he past

neither RR ETH or RA style

need new MF and challenger for dalot
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post Nov 25 2024, 03:42 PM

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Lets see we got patience like arsenal fans or not.. RA already said, its going to be hell of a ride to set the play style here and to get success while maybe 4-5 seasons without trophy like arsenal... See which one is the fans wanted πŸ˜‚
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 25 2024, 03:42 PM)
Lets see we got patience like arsenal fans or not.. RA already said, its going to be hell of a ride to set the play style here and to get success while maybe 4-5 seasons without trophy like arsenal... See which one is the fans wanted πŸ˜‚
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We will have to see how it goes this season. If the players can adapt. But our players are not versatile at all so kinda doubtful they can adapt lol.. We don’t even have a player that can makes a difference, control the game like Rodri for city or like Kroos used to for Real. Let Amorim get some players he wants, then we will see..
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Good to see Amorim knows what are the problems and he address it during post match interview

- Dalot too comfortable to play as inverted and forget to stay wide

- Zirkzee needs to run into boxes for crosses

- players think too much during the match, decision making was poor

- last week alone he had more interviews than his 4 years at sporting, he ask to reduce it so that he can focus more with players

- Bruno always go for long ball

Only player he praised was Amad

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