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zerorating
post Oct 4 2024, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 4 2024, 11:25 PM)
Source from forum? Topkek

See what the minister say

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/sHkZHu74x7dBe1bf/

Mr #LeeKuanYew: “if PAS comes into power…and tries to meddle with the water in Johor Bahru, I’ll move my troops in. I will not wait for the Security Council to solve this little problem”
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Mr Lee’s words above were quoted by former MFA Permanent Secretary Bilahari Kausikan, in a speech he made in Cambridge, recently.

Bilahari points out the harsh realities of our foreign policy and Singapore’s vulnerable position in the region. He paid tribute to our founding leaders Lee Kuan Yew, Goh Keng Swee and S Rajaratnam whose steady hands helped navigate us through some turbulent and dangerous times in the early years.

For small nations, in Bilahari’s words, foreign policy is usually about a series of “not always neat or consistent improvisations to a messy and unpredictable reality’’.

Diplomacy is not all about being pleasant or making oneself agreeable. It’s about defending and advancing Singapore’s interests, preferably by being pleasant and agreeable but if necessary “by any appropriate means’’.

Idealism is important. But all idealism must be rooted in a hard-headed understanding of human nature and power. “Without power nothing can be achieved. And even with power not everything desirable will always be feasible.’’

In his speech, Bilahari recalled how our founding PM once told a former chief of the Malaysian Armed Force that “if PAS comes into power…and tries to meddle with the water in Johor Bahru, I’ll move my troops in. I will not wait for the Security Council to solve this little problem’’.

Singapore has done well in the five decades since independence. As a nation, we cannot be ordinary if we want to be relevant to the world.

He concluded by reminding Singapore that our external environment remains complicated, unstable and dangerous.

Bilahari’s speech is attached. It is worth reading.
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calm down you know i was joking. we are only negotiating for better rate, not threatening to tutup the pipe.
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 4 2024, 11:39 PM)
calm down you know i was joking. we are only negotiating for better rate, not threatening to tutup the pipe.
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Now u know the reason that even Mahathir only complaining about the case worldwide but not cut supply.......

Reality is harsh. So be realistic
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Oct 2 2024, 12:55 PM)
Johor businesses should start focusing on locals then.  innocent.gif
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this

jb town area cost of living is way higher than kl
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 5 2024, 12:01 AM)
Now u know the reason that even Mahathir only complaining about the case worldwide but not cut supply.......

Reality is harsh. So be realistic
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johor are addicted to cheap treated water from singapore. so singapore always have a upper hand there. but now johor gomen have decided to makes more LRAs (with large spending), things might change. sure you might not being able to drink directly from the tap, but who does that here?
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Oct 3 2024, 08:38 PM)
SG gov berry happy, domestic consumption up by few points. Cukor
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You got a point there
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 5 2024, 12:10 AM)
johor are addicted to cheap treated water from singapore. so singapore always have a upper hand there. but now johor gomen have decided to makes more LRAs (with large spending), things might change. sure you might not being able to drink directly from the tap, but who does that here?
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? U still think the response would be no treated water from SG?
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post Oct 5 2024, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 5 2024, 12:49 AM)
? U still think the response would be no treated water from SG?
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then bring to international court la.
die2 want to protect 3cent for 1000gallon of raw water, buat malu ja.

i bet they are surprised that johor take the most expensive way out now. people on other state also weird why the hell we want to depend on singapore treated water?

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post Oct 5 2024, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 5 2024, 12:53 AM)
then bring to international court la.
die2 want to protect 3cent for 1000gallon of raw water,buat malu ja.
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Haha.... SG hv been challenging MY to do so
But y Mahathir never do so?

Understand the whole case before keep giving unworkable action plan. Nanti jadi kemaluan antarabangsa tau
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post Oct 5 2024, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 5 2024, 12:56 AM)
Haha.... SG hv been challenging MY to do so
But y Mahathir never do so?

Understand the whole case before keep giving unworkable action plan. Nanti jadi kemaluan antarabangsa tau
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because they have the upper hand previously, we want fair value for our raw water, sure they want fair value for their treated water too.
loke strictness on VEP are pretty much telling that we will not giving face forever. last time when we did chicken supply ban, did singapore stop taking chicken supply completely from us now? i just see many are bising because their other alternative are frozen chickens.

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post Oct 5 2024, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 5 2024, 01:05 AM)
because they have the upper hand previously, we want fair value for our raw water, sure they want fair value for their treated water too.
loke strictness on VEP are pretty much telling that we will not giving face forever. last time when we did chicken supply ban, did singapore stop taking chicken supply completely from us now? i just see many are bising because their other alternative are frozen chickens.
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U r kind of weird. Pushing to go for international court but talk about rhetoric. Court is about rule of law and in this case black & white agreement.

Did u see SG government complaint about MY VEP?
Did u see SG government raise diplomatic issue on chicken ban?

They are pragmatic enough to work on alternative rather crying about thing beyond control
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post Oct 5 2024, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 5 2024, 01:19 AM)
U r kind of weird. Pushing to go for international court but talk about rhetoric. Court is about rule of law and in this case black & white agreement.

Did u see SG government complaint about MY VEP?
Did u see SG government raise diplomatic issue on chicken ban?

They are pragmatic enough to work on alternative rather crying about thing beyond control
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whatever it is we jaga our bontot first. sure SGD is attractive, but will it last forever?
talking about water agreement, how much quantity of treated water we need to commit every year? we can just committed to the mere minimum just to adhere to the contract.
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post Oct 5 2024, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 5 2024, 01:24 AM)
whatever it is we jaga our bontot first. sure SGD is attractive, but will it last forever?
talking about water agreement, how much quantity of treated water we need to commit every year? we can just committed to the mere minimum just to adhere to the contract.
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U r now getting little smarter through the discussion......
U start to think what are being bound by agreement. I m sure SG government cannot complaint much as long follow agreement.
Btw the commitment supply amount is known fact
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_confl...a_and_Singapore

The more important thing is getting smarter people to draft agreement for upcoming renewal in 30 years..... Put in gradual in increment to offset inflation. Else shorter the contract tenure

Earlier price review under mahathir PM4 time. Kind of dumb to review without deep though on these need..... After that only cry father cry mother...... Due diligent in review mana?

My best guess he is busy with internal politic then......
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post Oct 5 2024, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Oct 4 2024, 11:39 PM)
calm down you know i was joking. we are only negotiating for better rate, not threatening to tutup the pipe.
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what leverage johor have? if tutupe pipe, they themselves headache.. coz lazy (feed by SG) never build sufficient water processing plant..
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post Oct 5 2024, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Oct 5 2024, 01:39 AM)
what leverage johor have? if tutupe pipe, they themselves headache.. coz lazy (feed by SG) never build sufficient water processing plant..
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who knows in 20 years or so got much more effective technology to filter out sea water. also our country are pretty much willing to sell raw water as long as the price is fair. there are projection that we will supplying treated water to singapore in the future if their population keep increasing.

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post Oct 5 2024, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Oct 5 2024, 01:37 AM)
U r now getting little smarter through the discussion......
U start to think what are being bound by agreement. I m sure SG government cannot complaint much as long follow agreement.
Btw the commitment supply amount is known fact
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_confl...a_and_Singapore

The more important thing is getting smarter people to draft agreement for upcoming renewal in 30 years..... Put in gradual in increment to offset inflation. Else shorter the contract tenure

Earlier price review under mahathir PM4 time. Kind of dumb to review without deep though on these need..... After that only cry father cry mother...... Due diligent in review mana?

My best guess he is busy with internal politic then......
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whatever it is year 2061 are getting much closer, tahan je la.

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