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autodriver
post Sep 26 2024, 08:32 AM

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Majority people who take 9 years loan plus zero downpayment they are not afford that car but desire to own it. We have 1 problem that we always blame public transport not good and rationalize buying a car putting ourself in financial difficulty situation. Look at KL and Selangor, there were MRT 2 lines, LRT 3 lines (3rd one onbaord soon), 2 KTM and 1 monorail, and yet majority still choose to "drive" even if station is less than 1km walking distance. Btw in Japan, Korea and western countries it is common people walk more than 1 km to nearest train station. Those resident areas less than 1km from train station is extremely expensive.


autodriver
post Jan 15 2025, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Jan 9 2025, 03:49 PM)
Nope, I  disagree. Some people take 9 years loan, for a very good purpose. Like myself, I take because I want to roll the money as long as possible into investment.

Back in Aug '20, during Covid-19 days, I bought a conti car, RM300k++. I could have used to buy the car via outright cash, but decided to take a loan and invest the cash into shares instead.

So, instead of buying the car back with cash, I decided to dump the money into Tesla. A whole huge chunk of USD80k into one single share, although the purchase itself was via dollar cost averaging (multiple purchases over a period of time).

Totally exceeded my expectations on this. What a wild ride with all the ups and downs in between.

So yeah, my loan is a 9 year loan and I'm half way through, already served 4 years and 4 months (what an inauspicious number).
So, on a monthly basis, I basically sell some shares, that is equivalent to the monthly installment amount (approx RM3k).

The results, I have a balance of 56 months of the loan, which will be about RM168k to pay off (principal + interest).
BUT, the Tesla shares that I have now, is worth RM280k. If the share price maintains stagnant as it is today, with no ups and downs, at the end of my loan tenure, I would be left with RM112k.

More realistic figure, I'm guessing, it will land between RM200k~RM300k?

And to recap, if I were to buy cash with the RM300k++, which I could, at the end of 9 years, I would have a car that is worth perhaps RM60k and RM0 (since all the cash is paid upfront for the car purchase).

So back to the question - can I afford it?
Hell yeah, I can, but I'm better off taking a loan. :-)
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I never ever buy the idea of taking longer loan tenure and we can take extra money to invest on somewhere else. Those who take 9 years loan and zero downpayment are majority buying car value below RM100k. Those people who are wealthy are usually taking shorter loan tenure and higher downpayment. Those people who take shorter loan and putting more downpayment mean they have already got extra money to do so and of course they have money either saving or invest on elsewhere. I do not believe that saving 20-30k downpayment will help you flip the value to become double within 9 years easily (got some cases but very rare). Bare in mind taking full loan mean higher principle value and the total interest we pay to bank is higher too.

You are saying investing n Tesla which is one of the world MOST valuable company. How many people know this 5 years ago and invest on it? I believe in Msia 99% people are not investing on Tesla shares. And the flip does not apply to anyone and also no one can verify your statement of earning huge on Tesla. And do you think there will be another Tesla for you to earn huge money in near future?

To me those who take 9 years full loan they are just simply not ready to own the car but force themselves to fulfill their own desire. End up they putting themselves in financial difficulty then blame on government, blame on their job salary and others but not themselves.

This post has been edited by autodriver: Jan 15 2025, 09:16 AM
autodriver
post Feb 14 2025, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 13 2025, 12:48 PM)
So you want employees to arrive at work all drenched in sweat with all kinds of odours Izzit ?
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Based on your logic employees should only drive to work? In the morning before the sunrise walk it is hard to get sweat unless you run. You can give thousand of reasons to rationalise our motive to own a car, work place is far, drive is more comfort no need squeeze inside bus or train, can go any place after work and so on. Majority or at least 80% of cars in KV are stationed for long hours inside carpark. People drive to work and park all day long. The vehicle is extremely under utilised meanwhile every month need to pay instalment for loan, parking fare, tolls, yearly insurance and car maintenance. Owning a cheap car like Axia G spec the monthly instalment for 9 years is about RM450 (if full loan) and petrol, tolls plus others make up another RM200. RM650 to own a car while myrapid pass is only RM50 for unlimited ride in a month.

Of course it is no issue for those who capable to own a car, but those who take 9 years loan mean they are not ready to own that particular model. Some people trying to say they took 9 years loan to have more spare cash to invest, but in reality very rare people who take 9 years loan got spare cash to do other investment. Those people who good in investment generally took shorter tenure because it save the interest to pay to bank.

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post Feb 14 2025, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Feb 13 2025, 11:28 AM)
HP in malaysia is cheap.

Opt 9 yrs, put the extra cash to any investment / house loan etc that hav higher interest rate / return than ur HP
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In reality most people who take 9 years loan are unable to have extra cash to do other investment. I saw many people they can afford for City if paying 7 years loan tenure, but they upgrade to Civic by taking 9 years loan with couples of hundreds extra monthly.
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post Feb 21 2025, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Feb 20 2025, 03:38 PM)
How do you count affordability? Is it the yearly salary thing?
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Affordability based on yearly salary is a reference. Some people if they do not have many commitment of course they can afford higher price car and even more than 30% of their income. For bank they only evaluate our fix commitment and they do not really factor in whether we need to pay for wife or kid expenses or not. And for banker who desparate for sales they will try put the bank loan approve. Example a couple with 2 kids and house instalment 1500 with salary of 5000. If they wana buy a car monthly instalment of RM1500 bank will surely approve. But when the family have house and car instalment total 3000, they only have balance of 2000 for 4 person living expenses. In this case buying a car with instalment of 1500 is not ideal at all coz family have to sacrifice many things like reduce outing, reduce kid's extra activities or courses etc.

 

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