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post Sep 14 2024, 12:49 AM, updated 2y ago

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Over the years, I've encountered cases of guys (friends and acquaintances-- not strangers) confessing to me after years of stalking me on social media. I didn't even know these secret admirers existed until they suddenly messaged me and asked if I was single and looking for a relationship.

When I gave them a chance to know each other better, they were excited... then they'd start overthinking... then they'd get insecure... and went quiet.

I was like ??? what's wrong with these guys??? hmm.gif

For the context, these guys had been single for years + had prior failed relationships or had never been in a relationship before. Usually, I just leave them alone to process their own feelings, but honestly, I'm quite curious why this happens.

Why would a guy suppress himself so much when the girl he likes is single, available and is open to exploring a relationship together?

macam girl reject pun salah, accept pun salah. Then might as well the guy doesn't confess if he can't proceed??

Confusing behaviour to women. rclxub.gif

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TL;DR (updated 25 Sept 2024)

- Some guys are inexperienced with girls and have fearful-avoidant traits.
- Some guys just wanna play and don't want anything serious.
- Some guys pursue the girls successfully, but don't know how to handle the girls.

These are the common reasons for guys' confusing behaviours.

This post has been edited by Ralna: Sep 25 2024, 10:17 PM
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post Sep 14 2024, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Sep 14 2024, 01:51 AM)
when you go to the bar, the likelihood to meet a librarian there is super low.
when you meet guys from the net, we shd know what we could get.
The best we can expect is, knowing someon1 new....odd or normal person, that is totally based on luck.
be it 99% odd guys, 1% normal ppl...

anyway, guy mentality is more like
"Well, i will try my best"
"Well, I tried"
"Well, next"
no hard feeling
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My bad for not being clear. I'm referring to guy friends/acquaintances who are on my FB for years, not some random strangers.

We studied at the same university/high school/came from same hometown, and we didn't get to talk much... basically we stayed friends on FB for years with no contact, but suddenly they'd appear 10-18 years later to tell me they liked me.

That's why I didn't reject but kept an open attitude, but their behaviour confused me.


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post Sep 14 2024, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 14 2024, 11:10 AM)
Haha I might be able to answer that. There are girls who I like since high schools, there are some of the best girls I know... I didn't pursue them because I was busy with studies and parents don't allow love relationships that young while still in school. Some times after high schools or unis we lose contact for a few years, but I am still looking around for the ONE. So you start aiming for girls around you, download and install dating apps, hang out with girls...

You tried this, tried that...

Then you realize hmm, 2 months back this high school classmate of mine who connected with me on LinkedIn (she sent the invitation), maybe I should drop her a message and check things out...

And after hanging out for some time, it worked!

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In short, some times real life issue kicks in... and sometimes, parents say no to love at young age etc. For my case it's just 4-5 years after high schools, after graduating from uni and starting my PhD earning my first dollar that I know I am ready to start a family... Some guys might take a long time...

But in any case, I think you are married right lol I remember you mentioned that in one of your old post here...
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Ahh, I see... so guys do uhh search their existing contacts for available girls huh.

No, I'm not married yet. Was engaged but he called off due to his own issues. Then my secret admirers started appearing one by one... and they confused me. LOL.
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post Sep 14 2024, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 14 2024, 11:30 AM)
Can u explain why you concluded that the guys started overthinking and started being insecure?

Maybe its something u said or did (or did not do).
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I'll give an example.

Recently, there was guy from my university who asked to be in a relationship with me, and I said yes, I'd give him a chance to get to know each other better.

Then he asked if we could get physically intimate (non-sexual, e.g. holding hands, hugging, cuddling). I said yeah, if we caught feelings for each other, we should just follow the natural flow.

Then he started overthinking: what happens if we can't control ourselves and we have xxx?

Then he started worrying about his 'performance' because he was single for years and couldn't 'last' that long.

In total, he initiated meeting me 3 times, but also cancelled 3 times, then he went MIA.

Me: sweat.gif rclxub.gif

We haven't even started dating yet, and he's already thinking soooooooooo far ahead.

He works as an analyst. So, to me, it's more like his own overthinking/insecurity issues rather than my own...



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post Sep 14 2024, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 14 2024, 03:57 PM)
Yea, we guys do search for old contacts... After all we know the girls back in those places and they know us. There's more trust in them compared to the one you hit up randomly on dating apps  smile.gif

Oh the engagement's off... Sorry to heard that. You must be very pretty in real life for so many admirers to come after you...

Let me add a potential new one for you: Ramjade laugh.gif He's gonna teach you how to trade options... beware lol

Hmm... you seem quite open. I also think far ahead like him except I can control myself far better than him tongue.gif Since it happens naturally, you both should talk it out. I think he's a little anxious after being single for too long. A responsible man should be able to control his urges and desires and let things happen naturally.  

But his MIA and cancellation show lack of sincerity so yea, you shouldn't bother with him too much. You can see the commitment is not there. Only invest your time in men who's worth your time.
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Yeah, I was sad when my ex couldn't proceed. We're still friends but seldom talk now. & thanks for your compliment. wink.gif

The new guy... he said he was looking for something casual, but his overthinking/withdrawal pattern made me feel like there's more underneath his façade.

As I have just returned to being single again for several months now, I'm not desperate to start another new relationship yet. I have made it clear to the new guy, but I dunno why he still overthinks. I thought I'd have a new casual bf to hold hands, cuddle and hug (which he suggested)... but my bubbles burst. LOL.

He's tall, lengzai and accomplished leh. Ticks all my checkboxes but haih... doh.gif

Anyway, I'm giving him time and space for his emotions to settle down, and will see if he replies to me after that.

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post Sep 14 2024, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 14 2024, 04:48 PM)
Unfortunately, guys are not taught dating by parents and at school. Everything is self learning, from friends and movies etc (which are usually not good sources esp movies). So do expect weird stuff esp from inexperienced guys.

In your case this guy seem a bit weirder than normal. Probably very insecure person. Maybe he does have performance issues due to health or physcological reasons. This type probably need more reassurances from the girl.

Let me check with my analyst friends 🤣 . They are usually quite nerdy types and very intellectual. Good ones can earn quite good $$$.
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Yeah, I know he's inexperienced, but I didn't know he'd be this anxious. I already reassured him but still haiz...

He's on my Facebook, so I will post some interesting stuff to intrigue him, including some hot-looking and pretty photos. brows.gif

haha I like your last lines. I've gone out with highly intelligent men before (including an operations management scientist); usually they're kinda cute as they blush and feel awkward around girls, and I like to tease such guys. hehe



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post Sep 14 2024, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Sep 14 2024, 05:06 PM)
this is obviously just someone who have never courted a girl or ever got into a relationship before.
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Yeah, he was so 'excited' during our first week together. We were super hot with each other online. brows.gif

Then, in the second week... he MIA pulak. Potong stim. Haih.

Anyway, I muted him and uhh archived our chat. Not gonna be so available to him anymore. Will only layan him when he's serious again.

He's still on my FB and knows where I live, so if he's sincere and serious, he'll do something about it. If not... k thx bye. Sien.

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post Sep 14 2024, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 14 2024, 06:44 PM)
these are often beta males or orbiters who use relationship as an excuse to get to know a female. They often dont know how to be a player and be honest about it

so when these guys dont have much experiences with women, often times they will eject when they face objections
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Somehow, I attract lone wolves and virgin males who run away when things get hotter between us. I think it's more like they can't take the emotional intensity and vulnerability of gradually falling in love with a woman.

& it's not like I approach them first, so I always feel puzzled (and a bit annoyed) when guys express interest and then disappear due to their own inner issues.

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Here's another story of what happened in 2022, with another guy:

There was this guy who was strongly attracted to me on our first meeting. Our mutual friend could feel the strong chemistry between us, like sparks all over with eyes locked on each other and everything else faded away in the background. Our friend introduced us to each other as she felt we were compatible and was trying to matchmake us, and also she wanted to help me get a biz coach/life coach, so this guy was ideal.

The coaching contract was for 4 months, which my friend paid for behind my back and the guy also pushed me to accept my friend's kindness, so I accepted and started attending his group coaching. We met online every morning with other 3-6 members around, but often, he would notice me a lot although I seldom talked.

As his life coaching process involved sharp questions and honest answers, often, female participants would cry a while, and he was okay with that. However, whenever I shed tears, he was emotionally disturbed. In the end, he got so burnt out and prematurely terminated our coaching contract. He was just one month into coaching me, so my friend was upset and confronted him. It turned out he was trying so hard to hide and deny his feelings for me, and after that confrontation, he got sick with high fever for 3 days. He then shut his coaching programme some time later.

A year later, another biz friend tried to matchmake us again. sweat.gif I was like erm... roughly told her what happened, and she said wahhh he's quite a tough guy and I could affect him so much, which meant I was so special to him. She asked me to give him a chance again.

Yeah right, but this guy is emotionally unavailable and keeps reiterating on social media that he doesn't want any relationship and he will stay single for the rest of his life. Voluntary celibacy.

Sometimes, our mutual friend and I thought what a good bf/husband he could have been if he could open up himself to love a woman, but sadly, he couldn't.

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post Sep 15 2024, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 14 2024, 08:50 PM)
A lot of times, people just dont want extra feelings when dealing with business or friendship plus intimacy. They often cant switch their role freely so when you communicate with them, there will be this stifling and heavy energy around them

It could be a trauma when a guy cannot fully express his intent towards a female. There are number of factors, ie he was heavily judged by his father or constantly being nagged by mom that he's a useless human being, that may escalate into a physical dispute
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I'm impressed with how spot on your are with your analysis. Yes, indeed, that coach guy has childhood trauma and bad relationship with his parents.


QUOTE(-mystery- @ Sep 14 2024, 08:54 PM)
he was likely being shamed that sex is bad and unnatural
a man who understands women wont easily verbalize this kind of thought, cause we just live in present moment and go for the sex closure
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I'm not sure if it's because I'm experienced (with my ex) while he isn't (no gf before). So, this probably gives him anxiety and high self-expectations of 'performance'. I had to comfort him by saying uhh 'practice' makes perfect.

Also, maybe, I think I might have unintentionally triggered him by asking this: "Assuming we do get along well, are you into marriage and children? Just wanna know if you're looking for companionship only or something more. Then I can set the right expectations. Some guys I met before didn't want to have further commitments."

His reply was he dunno yet and didn't think of it before.

& in our uhh rather 'hot and spicy' video call, I told him about the Kegel exercises that I did to strengthen my pelvic muscles to be able to 'grab' tightly and prepare well for giving birth. I said I started doing the exercises because my ex-fiancé and I were planning to have children back then. I was just honestly stating things as they were (not targeting at this guy), but on hindsight, I think I might have unintentionally caused this analyst guy to think far, farrrrr, farrrrrrrr into the future. Oops! sweat.gif

rclxub.gif His behaviour is so confusing to me because I thought we had initially agreed to non-sexual physical intimacy first; he asked and I accepted. Now he's avoiding me -- from super boiling hot to MIA 3 days now. He did say he couldn't tahan around me la... too hot for him. (I took it as a compliment brows.gif)

I'm thinking probably uncharted territory scares him, and he needs the time to digest new possibilities. hmm.gif After all, both of us are in our mid-thirties, single and compatible in many aspects-- I bet this is why he pursued me, but he probably got more than he bargained for. whistling.gif

Haih. Didn't expect to potong stim halfway and get so puzzled and unsettled by his behaviour. Anyway, I understand he might need his time and space apart to process his emotions. Male brain operates differently from female's.

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post Sep 15 2024, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 15 2024, 12:07 PM)
He wants sex but too scared to said he wants sex. Likely want no commitment but don't want to say it in case you run away. So he decided to do the running away first. Form what I gathered la.
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He said he didn't want anything serious yet, and I said okay coz I was still kinda hurt from my previous relationship, so we both agreed it's just non-sexual physical companionship at the moment.

then the next thing he asked was about sxx... and I said I was open to sxx if I liked him enough to do it and both of us were ready.

so I dunno why he ran away. His words and behaviour contradicted each other. Initiated 3 times and cancelled 3 times, and then MIA.

I thought V males should be happy to have found a new gf but turned out he disappeared pulak... lack of confidence? too good to be true?? afraid to make mistakes??? hmm.gif

Really confusing to me rclxub.gif until I couldn't sleep properly in the past few days.

Anyway, I've decided to just put this aside and move on. Maybe he's just not in the right state at current. If he and I are meant to be, we will be.

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post Sep 16 2024, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 15 2024, 11:58 PM)
2 cases only. The year 2022 case was an isolated case.

The recent guy, you scared him off. He came with the intention of casual relationship but you bombed him with so many pre-qualifications related to responsibility/commitment.

Since he managed to make you became sleepless for last few days, instead of guessing & thinking what he thinks, why not create more chances of exposure to increase the probability of yourself bumping him at the street / town & see how thing goes from there? 

I'm not sure if this is relevant but hopefully it is not. It is norm for the female of the extreme spectrum to the right of the bell curve (9/10 ~ 10/10) to attract the wide range of the males sample. Being attracted is 1 thing, having the abilities to handle female they are attracted is another separate thing.

There is an ancient Chinese's proverb that sound like "to guard a precious tressure, you must have the strength/capabilities or else it will invites calamity". If the male do not think they are worthy, naturally they will back off after measuring their own capabilities.

The female being at this position would not be a pleasant one. Being able to attract the males so easily can be annoying, at the same time will cause the insecurity to partner who are not capable enough. In short, it is easy to spark a conflict within relationship. Lone wolf's character will not be attracted to the item / object that will draws attention. Instead, the 1st thing the lone wolf will do, they distance themself away from such attribute, coz they do not want unnecessary attentions.
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You're straight on point. Now, I re-think the whole situation... yeah, he asked to be my bf, but he's not ready to be my bf yet. Perhaps, he thought he could skip all the pre-intimacy process and go straight to the prize. Quite linear, singular and primal. He did say he's a simple, direct and honest man.

Part of our earlier conversation:

Him: Touch and hug tonight? Go to your house
Me: hmm... want some dinner and romance first... then if I like you enough... we can proceed further... ☺️
Him: Why so many criteria? Just chill la. And enjoy
Me: because I have standards and don't easily give myself to men 😉

That's when he started thinking of dinner and movie, etc.

I don't think I'm asking too much for some food and fun to turn me on.

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My last few message to him: "You know, I’ve been thinking about our conversations, and I realized that maybe things are moving a bit quickly for us. I’ve noticed you've suggested meeting up a few times, but when it doesn’t happen, it reminds me of past experiences where plans were made but never followed through. I’m definitely open to seeing you, but I’d prefer if we make plans only when you're sure you're ready. That way, we can avoid any misunderstandings."

He seriously thought about it. In the end, he decided not to come to see me that night. He said maybe next time.

Me: I appreciate you informing me that. We meet next time then, when you're more comfortable/available. Good night.

Then, he disappeared for days.

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He's quite a capable guy, with frequent appearance in the mass media. Not an ordinary guy; excellent in his studies and career. Leading expert. Tall, handsome, intelligent, well-built.

I did ask him why he chose me. He said he had no mutual feelings/ no mutual match with other girls. Many girls tried to seduce him, but he had no feelings for them; just couldn't get turned on. So, I guess he's a sapiosexual. I'm probably his first gf. Can be quite an intimidating experience since I'm an alpha female; feminine, intelligent and confident. smile.gif

Now I think about it, it's a good thing that he disappears. He's on my FB and knows where I live. If he wants me, he pursues me. I'll see if he levels up his game to match me. Meanwhile, I'm gonna have some fun going out with my friends and meeting new guys. He can take as long as he wants to think about me/us. wink.gif
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post Sep 16 2024, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Sep 16 2024, 12:12 AM)
recalling lot of my memory by reading all these
there are stages when a guy approaching diff stages/ages in life
When he is in, he is in...
if he is in for the play...he would play
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yeah, I guess he wants to play, but I make him play at my terms. Otherwise, no game. cool2.gif

He can find other women who would easily open their legs. It's not like he doesn't have a choice. He does.
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post Sep 16 2024, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 16 2024, 01:14 AM)
A lot of men use their professional lives as facades.

Which makes sense, its where they first gain respect, recognition and social status. However, most do not bring that back into their own character and other parts of their life. So they remain undeveloped in the areas they  neglected.

The men that run from relationships are no different from the men who run away from sex. They are doing it out of fear of rejection. The rejection that will bring their entire worldview crashing because they're not "good enough". As empowering as sex is for men, it is equally devastating.
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Quite sad, isn't it? Such a waste of good genes... and miss out the biggest fun that God has ever created for the male species. brows.gif

Love and sex with the right woman can bring a man to his next level... which he can't achieve by being solo and DIY for the rest of his life.

Look at how Elon Musk is driven by his desires to breed as many women as he can, which makes him into the world's first ever trillionaire (soon) and possibily spreading his genes to colonise Mars. LOL.

We need more young, confident and ambitious men like Musk.

QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 16 2024, 01:14 AM)
He wants to play, but is afraid to do so. After all, he doesn't know wtf he is doing. Completely unchartered territory, he would be scared handling a willing kitten. So even if handed to him on a silver platter he is not going to take it, and will use his high intellect to rationalise his actions without emasculating himself.

You on the other hand, are a hungry tiger. Is it any surprise he's bailed 3 times? laugh.gif
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LOL. I like how you describe the situation... but I'm not a hungry tiger la; not fierce and tomboy at all... I'm soft-spoken and sweet, like a wild kitty. Meow~ brows.gif

Well, he offered to be my bf, so I accepted. He wanted non-sexual physical intimacy, and I accepted. He sounded like a playboy, but when it came to the real act... hmm... sweat.gif The more he flirted with me, the more he couldn't take the intensity. Too hot and spicy for him. Not nice to keep getting 'hard' and DIY; such a distraction at work. LOL.

Haiz. Really potong stim when he didn't come and sayang me over the long weekend. I hope he will soon. wub.gif
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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Sep 16 2024, 01:37 AM)
is not a good feelin in a long run on that path...
Aging chg a person physically, and mentally

but knowing new ppl is always nice..
getting along with good old fren are gr8 too...
you are still attach right? Appreciate what u hav yo
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He has to make his choice then; either miss the current boat or wait for the next one.

As for me, I tak jadi kahwin after 8 years together with the same guy. He's letting me go and I'm also tired of waiting for him.

I'm back to single and semi-available. Currently, I'm rebuilding my life and refining myself after the failed relationship. Will make myself available to the dating market next year. Fun to go on dates with new men again. wink.gif
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 16 2024, 01:57 AM)
I'm 99% sure Musk's autism helps him deal with rejection laugh.gif

Please la, the "fiercest" tigers I know have all been very feminine  innocent.gif 

The more he flirt, the higher he raise the expectation on himself as well. Talk the talk, but couldn't walk the walk.

If you just want to have fun, just take charge and eat him la. If you want a relationship, then its only right to expect him to man up.
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haha... your comment about Musk cracked me up. Well, he is a role model for all the autistic men out there... that all hope is not lost. laugh.gif

Musk is plain-looking, eccentric, workaholic, but can still get rich, woo women, breed them and fathered 12 children. Such a gospel to all men out there... that God didn't make women to be that picky.

Work hard, get rich, and you can have as many women and kids as you want. Best reward for 'hard' work. thumbsup.gif

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Yeah, ignorance is bliss. He asked too much and I was too honest. I cut down a lot of details already but he still felt overwhelmed and ran away... so unexpected. sweat.gif

Haih. I don't wanna eat him up la... later have to be responsible for him as his first woman who uhh teaches him all the naughty stuff. I will only do with him if he's ready for commitment... which is why I agreed to his proposal of non-sexual physical intimacy. He isn't ready for anything serious yet.

Now that I recall, perhaps he's overthinking of moreeeeeee possibilities because I unintentionally revealed too much during our video call... I can be quite uhh 'dark' and didn't realise the impact it had on him... ter-spilled some 'black' beans in heated moments of passion... sweat.gif It's part of the fun for me, but probably mind-blowing for him. Maybe he's just as confused with his feelings as I did. Too hot until it burns. devil.gif brows.gif

Haih. Poor thing. I bet he's experiencing a roller-coaster of emotional highs and lows with me; probably excites and scares him at the same time. Unintended and unpredicted outcome. sad.gif

Hope he'll be cool and confident again, and come back to sayang me. Dunno when it'll happen. cry.gif You know, two days after our last conversation, I did text him to say I honestly miss him... and asked if he missed me... but he didn't even wanna read my message... no reply. After waiting for a day, I unsent the message. He saw the unsent notification/message (immediately online), but he still didn't text me. I was so unhappy why he pursued me then disappeared, but after posting in forum to get male perspectives, I kinda understand his behaviour better...

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post Sep 17 2024, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Omgf @ Sep 16 2024, 04:16 PM)
Huh, the story of real experienced player vs so-called player wanna be(the guy).

Btw, jehjeh, "Me: hmm... want some dinner and romance first... then if I like you enough" can further elaborate this dinner part and romance part?
PM also can.
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I'm an ethical semi-player la. I don't play with guys' feelings nor take advantage of them, and I don't sleep around... but I like to tease and flirt with guys brows.gif Good ma, make men happy after being so tensed up at work... and see them blush, smile and laugh. So cute, really.

As for dinner and romance ah... based on my previous experience going out with men, it can be fine dining with some wine/beer. There was this foreign guy who greeted me with a kiss on my hand like how a gentleman would greet a lady, and he complimented how beautiful I was, including noticing my eye colour. I really liked that and felt it was romantic.

Another one I had with my ex... was a night walk at the beach after some Western cuisine by the seaside. Feeling the breeze in the moonlight, just the two of us, holding hands and kissing each other passionately. wub.gif

I do sports a lot, so once my man turns me on, I can 'play' with him for several hours nonstop--- if he can last that long la. wink.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 16 2024, 08:15 PM)
Off you go baby, best wishes and best of luck as always. smile.gif
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haha you're so adorable, really care for your bro ramjade a lot. thumbsup.gif

Well, most men whom I know of just want housewife or working mom type of women--- I call them the good girls: traditional, obedient and tolerant, like most of my female friends.

I'm far from these qualities that most men seek. I love thrills and adventures, I think out of the box, and I challenge the status quo. So... I'm not every man's cup of tea. I know and accept this fact long ago, and I feel okay about it.

I always believe it takes a special man to see and appreciate my depth, variety and multi-facets, but I have yet to meet such a man. I thought my ex was the one for me, but I grew too much and too fast while he was still stagnant, so we no longer match in our vibes and pace.

Ah well, I'll just keep having fun and living my best life, and leave the rest to God/universe to arrange. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Sep 17 2024, 03:56 AM)
Yes, that special man would be a submissive man.  biggrin.gif The one who will listen to you day and night, listening to your orders. If he is someone like Elon Musk, why would he be entertaining your whims and fancies in the long run? For the short-term, probably yes.

It's going to be very difficult to have two captains in a ship.

When you have two very dominant personalities in a relationship, there will be constant fights and arguments which eventually lead to a breakdown in the relationship.

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These are general assumptions as a male. Here's a broader perspective: (It's long, but definitely thought-provoking especially for males.)

Using an analogy, think of Wonder Woman, or some DC/Marvel female heroines-- these are definitely alpha females whom most men won't take as housewives or working moms. For ease of discussion, let's just call them "strong women"-- feminine, sexy, intelligent, physically fit, agile, high status, powerful, etc.

Ordinary men cannot and dare not control such women, but let me tell you about another group of men who can: the alpha males. The strongest and the most confident men in the male population. The top 1-2%.

These men listen to strong women, because strong women don't nag nor fuss on petty stuff like ordinary women do. When strong women speak, they talk sense, not talk sh*t. Strong women are comrades and equal counterparts, and alpha males respect such women.

I've met alpha males, and my ex is one too. These men do not get intimidated by strong women. They are the top leaders and strongest hunters of their packs. They enjoy hunting strong prey, like a tigress, a lioness or a leopardess, tame them, and display them as their prized possessions in their captives.

That adrenaline rush in taming a strong woman, breaking her willpower to submit to you, and f*cking her damn hard till she begs to stop... can make a man blood boils like he's conquered an army. It is highly addictive because it is a testament to a man's prowess to hunt and tame a strong prey. Ordinary women who are as meek as lambs do not excite such men; too easy.

Men are biologically programmed to need sex and reproduce as many healthy and strong offspring, and having intercourse with some of the strongest women will produce the strongest offspring that will ensure the best genes get passed down.

This is especially true for ancient civilisations, such as the Spartans. Only the strong and fit men were able and allowed to reproduce, and Spartan women were strong and highly respected by Spartan males.

However, as human population increased after WWII (no major wars after that), the need to reproduce strong offspring has drastically declined, and the popular notion of romantic love in marriage diluted the pragmatic nature of marriage: to reproduce strong and healthy offspring in a secure and stable male-female partnership, approved by both families of equal status, resources and power.

Hypothesis: If mankind is endangered, men would, again, select strong females to reproduce. Strong mothers are able to give birth to strong offspring and survive all hardships.

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From my observation, modern men have been emasculated due to a myriad of factors.

You can read this book: Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It

which says: Boys and men are struggling. Profound economic and social changes of recent decades have many losing ground in the classroom, the workplace, and in the family. While the lives of women have changed, the lives of many men have remained the same or even worsened.

Economically independent women can now flourish whether they are wives or not. Wifeless men, by contrast, are often a mess. Compared to married men, their health is worse, their employment rates are lower, and their social networks are weaker.



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Something is rotten in the state of manhood. Guilty of the crime of patriarchy, it is also tainted by toxic masculinity, the belief that most social ills – everything from murder and rape to online abuse – stem from men being men. Not only are men seen as (and too often are) violent and dangerous, in advanced economies men are three times more likely than women to take their own lives.

According to research cited in thinktank research fellow Richard Reeves’s new book, Of Boys and Men, males are much more likely to feel socially excluded, and far less likely to thrive after divorce (if they don’t remarry). At the same time, girls are outperforming boys in most academic disciplines, and rapidly closing the gap in those in which boys lead, not just in schools but in universities across the western world. In the US, 57% of bachelor degrees are now awarded to women.

The same can be said for many areas of the workforce too, where, in spite of the gender gap in pay – largely attributable to the burden of childcare placed on women – men are increasingly second best. What’s more, men are literally losing their grip. In 1985, writes Reeves, “the average man in his early 30s could squeeze your hand with about 30 pounds more force than a similarly aged woman. Today, their grip strength is about the same.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/...-descent-of-man


“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
– G. Michael Hopf, USA Today bestselling author of post-apocalyptic fiction.

We are in good times, which is why there are more weak men now--- and these are the men who dislike strong women.

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Lastly, respect is earned. You want a woman to listen to you, you earn her respect first.

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When a woman tests a man and finds him firm, strong, dominant, powerful, and masculine, she becomes more feminine.

She:
- Falls in love with him harder and more deeply
- Becomes more sexually attracted to him and turned on by him
- Submits herself more and places her life more firmly in his hands
- Becomes more comfortable and feels more secure with him
- Behaves more feminine around him

On the other hand, when a woman tests a man and finds him flimsy, weak, hesitant, unsure, and unmasculine, she becomes more masculine.

She:
- Falls out of love with him progressively more
- Becomes increasingly turned off sexually around him
- Exerts independence and takes charge more and more around him
- Becomes less trusting, comfortable, and secure around him
- Behaves more masculine around him

Respect in a relationship is entirely dependent on whether a woman sees her man as THE man... or whether she sees him as just another Joe Blow who ain't really getting the job done all that well.

Source: https://www.girlschase.com/content/respect-...s-where-it-goes


Women are biologically programmed to respect strong men, adore them and submit to them.

So, if a man feels disrespected or overpowered by a woman, something is obviously wrong somewhere. Fix that, instead of blaming women. Weak men whine and blame, strong men refine and tame. wink.gif

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Sep 17 2024, 07:10 AM)
Harsh reality is that biological clock is crucial for healthy offspring.....
Most good men / lady r high in demand and taken early
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Fertility preservation tech is highly advanced now. This is why it is best that one focuses on building wealth and career, so that one can afford this option if there's no luck in getting good man/woman yet.

As for where to find good men/women, it isn't that hard based on demographics, and if necessary, consider going international. wink.gif

I believe in the law of attraction-- that the right thoughts and energy will attract what we want, and I believe that God/universe/fate will bring the right man to me. My role is to be fully ready to love him and accept his love when we finally meet. I don't know who he is yet, but I am preparing my next version of best self for him, and I actively socialise and upskill myself. When the time is right, he will appear.

Likewise, men should also have positive mindset and actions.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 17 2024, 07:58 AM)
For me very simple. I have set of 6 non negotiables. They can't fulfill or have what I am looking for, next. In case you are wondering, they got nothing to do with if the girl is hot, good in bed, flirty, hot body.

My non negotiables are simple and hard to pass at the first same time. Lol.

First of them is frugality. This alone filter out lots of girls who only want to have fun and enjoy their life. I called it YOLO.

2nd after they have fulfilled the 6 non negotiables, I look for girls who will make my life easier and not make it harder. Stuff I pickup from one of my friend. Find someone who make your life easier.

I am simple guy who live a simple boring life so I don't need any excitement which turn off most girls as
1. They want excitement
2. They want to enjoy life (traveling, fine dining, cafe hopping)
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By turning off excitement in your life, you are restricting the feminine energy within you and the women you're seeing/pursuing. A man who are overly stoic and repressed will not know how to properly love a woman in the way she can feel loved.

Feminine energy is essential creative, vibrant, nurturing, free-flowing and life-giving. This is why women need to have fun and love to have fun, because when they don't, they become more masculine (out of balance), which is not good as it affects her self-esteem and her interpersonal relationships, and other areas of life.

When a man is out a balance with himself (too much yang, lack yin), he sucks away feminine energy from women, and it is tiring for a women to love such a man. Extremely tiring.

A loving man is a giver. An unloved man is a taker. We all like givers more than takers, or at least, matchers who give and take equally.

With that said, you can set as many conditions as you want-- we all have our own ideals, nothing wrong with that, BUT you have to be fair. If you take one thing away from women, you compensate in another way that she can accept and still feel nurtured/loved by you. It isn't fair to take only but don't give in return-- this is self-serving for own gains and interests... at the loss of women.

Just giving my perspective. I'm sure you have your fine qualities, but if you want the women you're looking for, do consider these factors.

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