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post Sep 21 2024, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2024, 06:12 PM)
Why do you do want him? He don't want to commit, don't bother. If he doesn't like you or don't reciprocal your feelings don't bother. Cut and find new guy. So simple.
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Haih. I may not even need to find new guys... ex-fiancé re-appeared after >2 months of no contact / 6 months never met physically... long story, but it's kinda like we gravely misunderstood each other. He still loved me a lot.

After 8 years of LDR (yes, it was THAT long--- I was so damn tired of waiting until I gave up already esp. after he MIA), he is finally moving back to Selangor for good...

and he said he's been spending the past few months renovating the family home. He thought I would wait for him but it turned out I had decided to move on, and this broke his heart...

I told him I had met guys but we didn't do anything sexual. Just had coffee and dinner. Nothing serious. I wasn't in love with anyone coz I was still hurting inside.

Plot twist kaw-kaw. Headache right now. Such a fcked up situation. bangwall.gif

Oh God! Why... ??! rclxub.gif

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post Sep 21 2024, 10:51 PM

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Wow, month of peach blossoms for jehjeh.
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post Sep 21 2024, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Omgf @ Sep 21 2024, 10:51 PM)
Wow, month of peach blossoms for jehjeh.
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Drinking cold beer to chillax myself now.

Haih. Will just take things as they come.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 21 2024, 02:26 AM)
I'm not that scary la~ already had some... sweet moments with some guys here. Fast action-takers brows.gif 
Nothing sexual, but still romantic.  wub.gif They weren't disappointed.  wink.gif
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Bunch of opportunists laugh.gif

Was mystery one of them? brows.gif

QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 21 2024, 10:07 PM)
Haih. I may not even need to find new guys... ex-fiancé re-appeared after >2 months of no contact / 6 months never met physically... long story, but it's kinda like we gravely misunderstood each other. He still loved me a lot.

After 8 years of LDR (yes, it was THAT long--- I was so damn tired of waiting until I gave up already esp. after he MIA), he is finally moving back to Selangor for good...

and he said he's been spending the past few months renovating the family home. He thought I would wait for him but it turned out I had decided to move on, and this broke his heart...

I told him I had met guys but we didn't do anything sexual. Just had coffee and dinner. Nothing serious. I wasn't in love with anyone coz I was still hurting inside.

Plot twist kaw-kaw. Headache right now. Such a fcked up situation. bangwall.gif 

Oh God! Why... ??! rclxub.gif

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He didnt mention any of this when you guys broke up? sounds super sus
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 14 2024, 12:49 AM)
Over the years, I've encountered cases of guys (friends and acquaintances-- not strangers) confessing to me after years of stalking me on social media. I didn't even know these secret admirers existed until they suddenly messaged me and asked if I was single and looking for a relationship.

When I gave them a chance to know each other better, they were excited... then they'd start overthinking... then they'd get insecure... and went quiet.

I was like ??? what's wrong with these guys???  hmm.gif

For the context, these guys had been single for years + had prior failed relationships or had never been in a relationship before. Usually, I just leave them alone to process their own feelings, but honestly, I'm quite curious why this happens.

Why would a guy suppress himself so much when the girl he likes is single, available and is open to exploring a relationship together?

macam girl reject pun salah, accept pun salah. Then might as well the guy doesn't confess if he can't proceed??

Confusing behaviour to women.  rclxub.gif
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post Sep 22 2024, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 22 2024, 12:01 PM)
Bunch of opportunists laugh.gif

Was mystery one of them? brows.gif

He didnt mention any of this when you guys broke up? sounds super sus
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You seem to know something... brows.gif

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Didn't officially breakup; just drifted apart due to some misunderstanding/communication breakdown.

In short, the downslide began in March 2024, when he said something extremely hurtful and insulting to me that totally broke my heart into pieces. So, when he stopped seeing me and stopped talking to me in the following months, I seriously thought the relationship was over. I took the time to cry, heal, and then I decided to move on.

Then, he appeared again two days ago, and got a shock why I moved on. He said I was selfish to leave him and start seeing guys without telling him, and the whole thing "eats into his soul". He's currently having a meltdown.

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How I'm feeling right now: confused, troubled, numb... and some sadness and tiredness.

I don't think I did anything wrong, and I don't feel that I betrayed him. I don't like it when he pointed his fingers at me and blamed me for the outcome like I was some kind of unfaithful woman who mistreated him and didn't appreciate his sacrifices in our relationship.

I shot him back by stating on which dates I messaged/emailed him in the past few months to care for him and show my affection, requested him to see me/call me, but my words seemed to fall on deaf ears.

It takes two to tango. To me, he should be held accountable for his words and actions for causing our relationship to break down this way.

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I guess, sometimes men do take women for granted, especially in a long-term relationship or marriage. Men often assume that women will always be theirs or wait for them forever, but women don't think like that. When we have enough pain, we usually decide to leave, and often, we leave quietly when our heart dies.

I know I will always love my ex-- he has a special place in my heart after 8 years together.

However, unless he is a changed man, I don't see why I should return to him. I'm not young anymore. I dated him from age 27 to 35, and... I am scared that it would be a wrong decision if I resume the relationship.

I'm still seeing other men, and they make me happy. I like the warm, sunny feeling together. I enjoy the laughter and some romance.

With my ex, the vibes I feel around him and with him just feels so heavy. It feels like it's forever dark and cloudy with thunderstorm at times. I love him, but I don't want to be in such a relationship anymore.
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post Sep 22 2024, 11:45 PM

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After some casual dates, I got a new idea on how to make si mangkuk open up to physical intimacy...

so, I voice messaged him yesterday (Sat, 3 am+) and said let's keep things light and easy, start with holding hands first... because physical touch is highly therapeutic for me; helps heal my feminine energy and makes me feel so relaxed (it's my love language, actually).

I told him since I just got out of a long-term relationship, I wasn't looking for any commitment right now. I was still wounded and not ready for anything serious nor sexual at this point... and told him not to give himself too much pressure; just chill and relax together... and said I would be so happy with his companionship, and I knew he would too, with me.

He woke up in the morning, read and listened to my message... and then he disappeared again for two days now, totally off social media.

I think he will seriously consider, because it's what he wanted too in the first place; just that he was too anxious to execute until FFK 5 times sweat.gif (he was too focused on his sexual thoughts and 'performance'). I'm giving him the assurance now... to start with something simple first.

If he still doesn't even want to do these with me, then I guess it's a gone case... will update again if he contacts me.

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Si mangkuk is tall, handsome, accomplished, and well-built; I'd really love to be touched by a man like him. He pursued me and offered me non-sexual physical intimacy first, but he was equally shy... haih, hope he'll be proactive again soon... blush.gif

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 22 2024, 03:23 PM)
You seem to know something...  brows.gif

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Didn't officially breakup; just drifted apart due to some misunderstanding/communication breakdown.

However, unless he is a changed man, I don't see why I should return to him. I'm not young anymore. I dated him from age 27 to 35, and... I am scared that it would be a wrong decision if I resume the relationship.

I'm still seeing other men, and they make me happy. I like the warm, sunny feeling together. I enjoy the laughter and some romance.

With my ex, the vibes I feel around him and with him just feels so heavy. It feels like it's forever dark and cloudy with thunderstorm at times. I love him, but I don't want to be in such a relationship anymore.
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You already know the answer and you're executing on it.

The fact remains that he could just ghost you like that, and after that throw all the responsibility on you as though he didn't have a part in the problem. Major red flag.

Its good that you understand love and a relationship are not necessarily the same thing.

QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 22 2024, 11:45 PM)
So ya, that's my own unique experiences. To me, it's perfectly valid to enjoy non-sexual physical touch as a form of emotional support and connection when I am single and not in any relationship. My body has this need and I don't want to suppress/deny it.

Si mangkuk is tall, handsome, accomplished, and well-built; I'd really love to be touched by a man like him. He pursued me and offered me non-sexual physical intimacy first, but he was equally shy... haih, hope he'll be proactive again soon... blush.gif
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Just be prepared, physical touch might not be his love language laugh.gif

Its sad that you also feel like you have to justify your needs. Some what true that our society doesn't really understand that non-sexual cuddling is perfectly valid.

Btw, what were you thinking la being a physical touch person but being in LDR for 8 years.

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post Sep 23 2024, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 23 2024, 12:45 AM)
Btw, what were you thinking la being a physical touch person but being in LDR for 8 years.
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My relationship with ex is far more complicated than I'm telling here. He was my first love and first man, and he saved my life. For years, he built me up from the broken pieces I was. I was his project, his masterpiece, his creation. This is why I am faithful to him, wait for him, and will always love him. How can I not love my... human saviour and creator?

However, like any relationships, we had our turbulent downs due to differences and stressors in life, and LDR made it even more challenging for us to cope as a couple.

Why we could last for so long in LDR... well, he's based in Singapore, while I'm in Selangor; we aren't that far apart. Whenever he came to see me, he 'fed' me well emotionally and physically-- made me super happy in and out of bed. The exception was during Covid-- 3 years of lockdown/travel restriction was truly depressing for me.

This year, he said hurtful words and disappeared physically for 6 months. It was really a long time... I felt so sad, unwanted, and touch-starved until I decided to leave him starting 1 Sept 2024...

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& si mangkuk was the first to message me on 3 Sept 2024... I suspect he's been observing my newsfeed and analysing my behavioural pattern... like, why the timing was so cun? hmm.gif stalker analyst kah ni

How he confessed... was kinda raw. It's a 7-sentence process.

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He's that simple and direct. Just 2-3 words per sentence. So raw until I found him so cute.

& I responded positively to him. I guess it probably blew up his mind and uhh over-stimulated him and his lil head. Brain fused with behavioral abnormality. brows.gif

If a player's brain is 32GB RAM, I think his is just 1GB RAM when it comes to relationship. Experienced dudes won't confess in such a crude manner and could take the 'spicy-ness'... and would quickly pounce on me. laugh.gif

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So ya, ex is having meltdown, while si mangkuk is in push-pull mode.

The best decision for me right now... is to give these two men enough time to process their thoughts and feelings... and observe their actions... what they will do for me, for us. If they don't do anything, then I don't have to choose them. Time will tell.
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Your parent objected on your relationship with your ex initially. What was the reason given by your parent then?

On your first break-up, was it fully due to the lock-down period of 3 years or was there other elements like some small-small unresolved issues accumulated over years but were sweep under the carpet ?

Post 1st break up, you reconciled & was already planning to get married. The 2nd unofficial break-up, what actually happened until the marriage can be called off? Did your ex went into some sort of employment / business / financial difficulty post the covid-19 ?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 23 2024, 03:18 AM)
My relationship with ex is far more complicated than I'm telling here. He was my first love and first man, and he saved my life. For years, he built me up from the broken pieces I was. I was his project, his masterpiece, his creation. This is why I am faithful to him, wait for him, and will always love him. How can I not love my... human saviour and creator?

However, like any relationships, we had our turbulent downs due to differences and stressors in life, and LDR made it even more challenging for us to cope as a couple.

Why we could last for so long in LDR... well, he's based in Singapore, while I'm in Selangor; we aren't that far apart. Whenever he came to see me, he 'fed' me well emotionally and physically-- made me super happy in and out of bed. The exception was during Covid-- 3 years of lockdown/travel restriction was truly depressing for me.

This year, he said hurtful words and disappeared physically for 6 months. It was really a long time... I felt so sad, unwanted, and touch-starved until I decided to leave him starting 1 Sept 2024...

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& si mangkuk was the first to message me on 3 Sept 2024... I suspect he's been observing my newsfeed and analysing my behavioural pattern... like, why the timing was so cun?  hmm.gif stalker analyst kah ni

How he confessed... was kinda raw. It's a 7-sentence process.

He said:
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He's that simple and direct. Just 2-3 words per sentence. So raw until I found him so cute.

& I responded positively to him. I guess it probably blew up his mind and uhh over-stimulated him and his lil head. Brain fused with behavioral abnormality. brows.gif

If a player's brain is 32GB RAM, I think his is just 1GB RAM when it comes to relationship. Experienced dudes won't confess in such a crude manner and could take the 'spicy-ness'... and would quickly pounce on me. laugh.gif

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So ya, ex is having meltdown, while si mangkuk is in push-pull mode.

The best decision for me right now... is to give these two men enough time to process their thoughts and feelings... and observe their actions... what they will do for me, for us. If they don't do anything, then I don't have to choose them. Time will tell.
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What you need to do now is drop both of them like hot potato and move on. By you not able to move on (hoping) you will be stuck. There is podcast which said breakup is like part of you died. It's painful. But you will get over it. Generally once breakup, don't try to get back together. That is what I learnt. So true. It's advise for guys but I believed it's applicable to female as well.
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post Sep 23 2024, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Sep 23 2024, 08:14 AM)
Your parent objected on your relationship with your ex initially. What was the reason given by your parent then?

On your first break-up, was it fully due to the lock-down period of 3 years or was there other elements like some small-small unresolved issues accumulated over years but were sweep under the carpet ?

Post 1st break up, you reconciled & was already planning to get married. The 2nd unofficial break-up, what actually happened until the marriage can be called off? Did your ex went into some sort of employment / business / financial difficulty post the covid-19 ?
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It's an age-gap relationship. He's middle-aged.

First break-up was due to some misunderstanding that triggered his jealousy. I was young and had many admirers back then; wasn't sure if I wanted to be with him, so I didn't cut clean.

We had planned to get married in 2020, but the pandemic struck and we were in forced LDR for 3 years. He was retrenched several times and had health issues thereafter, and sank into midlife crisis/depression. Still unemployed; so, involuntarily retired.

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He video-called this morning. We cleared the air bit; turned out to be he thought I withdrew because I was in depression due to work issues, while I thought he withdrew because he didn't want me anymore after saying those hurtful words. Both of us are introverts and tend to shut down for days/weeks whenever we feel overwhelmed, so that's when all the misunderstanding/misinterpretation happened. Basically, lack of communication during LDR as both of us were in our downtime and made assumptions of each other.

He's still emotionally unstable, said he couldn't sleep and was so heartbroken; his eyes were red and teary when we video-called. Made me so heartache. He said sorry to me that he hurt me verbally (unaware that his words were that damaging to me, as he was in moments of anger back then), and that he still loved me. I said sorry to him too, for not telling him about my pain and left him quietly... which gave him a shock when he found out I had moved on.

The video-call made us became aware of how our words and actions that affected each other, and we rationalised why we said/did so and shared POVs. Not easy, but healing.

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Currently, no decision made yet about the current/future:
- If we want to be together again, we have lots of issues to iron out--- both of us are too tired to do the restoration work for now; too emotionally intensive and overwhelming at this point.
- If we choose to stay break off, then he has to accept the reality that I will be with other men, and he must willingly let go and not interfere in the future.

Not the best time to make any decision while both parties are still emo. Will see how things go as time passes...

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2024, 08:58 AM)
What you need to do now is drop both of them like hot potato and move on. By you not able to move on (hoping) you will be stuck. There is podcast which said breakup is like part of you died. It's painful. But you will get over it. Generally once breakup, don't try to get back together. That is what I learnt. So true. It's advise for guys but I believed it's applicable to female as well.
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Wish it could be that easy. It's hard to move on when things aren't clear nor conclusive yet, when both parties are still emo, and the relationship still have open loops and possibilities.

Most women (and some men) need closures to be able to move on. For me, I need proper closures because I hate to have regrets in life.

Regrets are some of the worst feelings to live with, and will forever haunt the affected. I'd rather be sad, stressed and emo for now... than to suffer from a lifetime of regrets later on, and spend my remaining years asking myself whyyyy I didn't do this or that back then when I had the chance to make amendments and change the ending... This is why I am giving them time. I am being compassionate to them, and I'm being wise by seeing things long-term. There is no time pressure to solve relationship issues.

Why people pressure themselves with hasty decisions in relationship... is because they have low tolerance for pain. They want instant solution and gratification to whatever that hurt them, and this is actually bad for personal growth and emotional maturity. So, don't get into any committed relationship/marriage if pleasure is all you seek (referring to men and women, in general).

I had met men who tried to cut relationship mess by making hasty decisions. Guess what? They're the most suppressed men because they didn't do their proper closure and healing; became emotionally unavailable and had issues in subsequent relationships or trusting women again or getting committed again.

Just because things are numb in the conscious mind, doesn't mean it will disappear in the subconscious mind. This is why there are more men who suffer from substance abuse, addictions, and get mentally ill until commit suicide... as compared to women.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 23 2024, 01:34 PM)
Wish it could be that easy. It's hard to move on when things aren't clear nor conclusive yet, when both parties are still emo, and the relationship still have open loops and possibilities.

Most women (and some men) need closures to be able to move on. For me, I need proper closures because I hate to have regrets in life.

Regrets are some of the worst feelings to live with, and will forever haunt the affected. I'd rather be sad, stressed and emo for now... than to suffer from a lifetime of regrets later on, and spend my remaining years asking myself whyyyy I didn't do this or that back then when I had the chance to make amendments and change the ending... This is why I am giving them time. I am being compassionate to them, and I'm being wise by seeing things long-term. There is no time pressure to solve relationship issues.

Why people pressure themselves with hasty decisions in relationship... is because they have low tolerance for pain. They want instant solution and gratification to whatever that hurt them, and this is actually bad for personal growth and emotional maturity. So, don't get into any committed relationship/marriage if pleasure is all you seek (referring to men and women, in general).

I had met men who tried to cut relationship mess by making hasty decisions. Guess what? They're the most suppressed men because they didn't do their proper closure and healing; became emotionally unavailable and had issues in subsequent relationships or trusting women again or getting committed again.

Just because things are numb in the conscious mind, doesn't mean it will disappear in the subconscious mind. This is why there are more men who suffer from substance abuse, addictions, and get mentally ill until commit suicide... as compared to women.
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I just close and move on. Lol. Not that hard to be honest.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2024, 01:53 PM)
I just close and move on. Lol. Not that hard to be honest.
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Because you haven't loved any woman deeply enough yet...

and the one special woman who can change you hasn't appeared yet...

The day you meet her... is the day you become so-not-yourself.

This is when you'll start to realise more and feel the depth of emotions...

and experience the power of love... in the most unexpected way.

Everything about her will trigger your biological instinct as a man. You will try hard to resist and fight all your feelings, but you can't get her out of your mind and system.

She's like a virus that will infect every single part of you, and you'll be so love-smitten that you think and act abnormally...

Single men usually scoff when I tell them this, but when it happens to them... hehehe

So, never say never. 😉



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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2024, 01:53 PM)
I just close and move on. Lol. Not that hard to be honest.
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You have a different personality, or you just don't access that part of yourself.

Doesn't mean everyone can do the same, or should do the same.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 23 2024, 02:06 PM)
Because you haven't loved any woman deeply enough yet...

and the one special woman who can change you hasn't appeared yet...

The day you meet her... is the day you become so-not-yourself.

This is when you'll start to realise more and feel the depth of emotions...

and experience the power of love... in the most unexpected way.

Everything about her will trigger your biological instinct as a man. You will try hard to resist and fight all your feelings, but you can't get her out of your mind and system.

She's like a virus that will infect every single part of you, and you'll be so love-smitten that you think and act abnormally...

Single men usually scoff when I tell them this, but when it happens to them... hehehe

So, never say never. 😉
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It's all chemical. That's why I don't do anything for 6 months or 10 meetings.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2024, 02:59 PM)
It's all chemical. That's why I don't do anything for 6 months or 10 meetings.
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you know, you sound like that coach guy I met. Super resistant to anything that makes him "irrational" and "lose control"

... which means, you're an emotionally unavailable man-- just don't want to feel anything with women or have any mushy, touchy-feely emotions.

Your feminine energy is shut off, and it's up to you if you wanna re-activate it, and heal it to be wholesome again.

I may be wrong, but only you know what your situation is like, and it is up to you how you wanna live your life.

Whatever it is, make decisions that bring you peace, harmony, happiness, good energy and inner balance to you life... and no regrets.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Sep 23 2024, 03:29 PM)
you know, you sound like that coach guy I met. Super resistant to anything that makes him "irrational" and "lose control"

... which means, you're an emotionally unavailable man-- just don't want to feel anything with women or have any mushy, touchy-feely emotions.

Your feminine energy is shut off, and it's up to you if you wanna re-activate it, and heal it to be wholesome again.

I may be wrong, but only you know what your situation is like, and it is up to you how you wanna live your life.

Whatever it is, make decisions that bring you peace, harmony, happiness, good energy and inner balance to you life... and no regrets.
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For me very simple. If woman cannot fit my criterias or doesn't complement me, I just go next. I got bigger priorities than going gaga over a girl who is playing games or doesn't want to commit.

My friend told me this, find a girl who will give you the less headache. A woman can make your life a heaven or a hell. Choose wisely. That is why I am choosing. I don't do casual relationship.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2024, 03:37 PM)
For me very simple. If woman cannot fit my criterias or doesn't complement me, I just go next. I got bigger priorities than going gaga over a girl who is playing games or doesn't want to commit.

My friend told me this, find a girl who will give you the less headache.  A woman can make your life a heaven or a hell. Choose wisely. That is why I am choosing. I don't do casual relationship.
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Yeah, but girls don't mentally operate this way like how you do... unless they have ulterior motives in you (after your money, your status, or some benefits...). This type of women will manipulatively craft themselves to fit your criteria to get something from you.

For a woman to genuinely want to be with a man, she must first feel something for him. For that feeling to happen, the man must allow himself to open up and express his emotions to her--- which is what you can't do or refuse to do.

Your current approach isn't getting you the woman you want (probably for years now), so, might as well improvise, adapt, and overcome-- that's what mature men do.

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