Looking to buy a SUV for family usage.

2 Adults and 2 childrens.

Not into any brand or against any brand.

Prefer something that is better bang for buck and still below 140k. Don't want burden myself with high expenses in car loan.

Any good promo that is ongoing?

Own preference would be comfort come first, driving assistance or technology are optional.

Thanks in advanced!

peace of mind buy japanese - toyota / honda

if best bang for buck u have to go with china suv

if not, can go for crossover suv of common brands like honda toyo n mazda

Geely or cross

If you really don't mind, look for the unsold previous year model which usually on sale with huge discount like 30k less. After many years, 1 year difference will not differ much probably around 1k only in re-sale value.

alza gen 2

the cx5 for its driveability and a friend of mine who knows nuts about engine and servicing drove it to 550k KM with no issues. normal service/wear and tear.

Drive-ability, yes. Comfort wise, CRV.

As for issues, depend on luck. I have better luck with Proton than H brand. So hard to tell.

best bang now is j7

Best bang for bucks Proton or any of the SUVs from China.. No doubt, Tiggo 7 Pro, Haval H6, Jaecoo j7 can give all the specifications for the lowest price. However, I can't commend on long term ownership and reliability.

Peace of mind - Corolla Cross..

If you are a bit more adventurous with recond, I think there are still some previous generation Harrier available in the market around 140k to 150k.

Wait for the Haval H6 Hybrid or Toyota Cross Hybrid

This post has been edited by sameday: Sep 11 2024, 02:39 PM

I will exclude Honda from "peace of mind" category..
I have both Toyota and Honda.. I am pretty sure which one gives me better peace of mind..

Haval H6 Hybrid - price around lower than a civic

I heard 10-year, 1,000,000 km vehicle warranty and an eight-year, 1,000,000 km powertrain warranty, which covers its HEV system, Dedicated Hybrid Transmission, high voltage battery and cable as well as the transmission control unit.

Hope this put abit more pressure to other manufacturers to up their after sales..

I know those 1 million mileage thinggy. dont want give free publicity on public for 0 commission

Sharing and free publicity are 2 different thing.. lol
buyers are still required to do their own DD

advertising 1 million km thing is different from they honor the warranty or not
when you claim, they will have plenty of excuses
or in 1 mil km, can only claim once.

hahaha

sure got catch one la.

This 👆

Excluding reliability & branding,
Best bang for buck - Chinese SUVs incl Geely X50

Else Japanese especially Toyota, but not Nissan

This post has been edited by dogbert_chew: Sep 11 2024, 06:57 PM

Nissan X-trail

go for cross... best 2nd hand value car...

Toyota Cross .now got huge discount. Clearance sale before new facelift

Toyota cross seemed reliable and heard Honda has steering rack issue, not sure whether SUV is affected as well.

Any recommendation on China SUV? It seemed like a lot of China brands in MY market currently.

Geely as in Proton?

X70 executive is about 103k if not mistaken.

Not sure why there is rebate for the new facelift model. Usually car manufacture rebate given to old model.

What's the catch on this?

I don't really mind to take previous year model if the deal is good.

Any specific model that you know have such huge discount?

Alza H under 70k seemed good but the ride is rather low for this.

cx5 is getting expensive and definitely out of my budget range at the moment.

Does cx5 still have the problem with their ATF fluid? Heard about this previously.


CRV is out of my budget though. 140k is most probably my ceiling budget for a car.

Meaning to say you have no bad experience with Proton? Are you owning X series as well?



J7 looks good in term of their looks but not sure how it hold up since it's rather new in the market.

Heard it's using Tiggo 7 pro engine but having a premium price as compared to Tiggo 7 pro.

Oh yes! All those SUV from china looks good especially specifiation on paper. Any owner here can shared their experience on those car?

Corolla cross hybrid better or the normal one would do?

Considering Toyota Corolla Cross as well.

Which model provide better deal? The hybrid or normal version?

Any good deal or good experience of yours on this model?

Any good deal to share? Don't really mind the old face of the car as long as the deal is good.

Suggest you test drive a few SUVs to prioritize their functions since looking from your response above the choices still numerous.

A. Do you want power from a Turbo setup or fuel savings from a hybrid
B. Does nice interior matter more than vehicle handling
C. Is space a requirement or just go for looks
And more

Eg. Alza is based on the the Daihatsu Xenia but lowered 30mm to function as an MPV. It has plenty of space due to longest B-segment wheelbase of 2750mm (> C-Seg Corolla Cross) but has a Myvi 1.5L engine only hence underpowered and not suited for spirited driving. Has uncomfortable seats due to lower pricing levels

This post has been edited by dogbert_chew: Sep 12 2024, 03:03 AM

Can you live with a foot brake mechanism?
Deal breaker for some buyers. If so then need to wait for year end launch.

Not an expert. But like everything else, there are pros and cons.

Pros for hybrid is obviously the lower fuel consumption but only in TOWN driving.

Once at higher speed highway, I don't think there is much difference in fuel consumption but it will has less power than the normal ones. Then you basically have 2 things to take car of, the engine and the battery. Whereas for the normal ones, just the engine.

A friend has one and went for a very long holiday. Came back and car wouldn't start and nobody dare to touch it, not even the Toyota mechanic, because the hybrid voltage can kill. Have to be towed to Toyota workshop for checking.

This post has been edited by touristking: Sep 12 2024, 06:24 AM

My new CRV has this problem. Awaiting parts.

Never driven one. The wheehbase is even longer than the CRV so should be spacious and comfortable.

Good advise. Choosing a car is a bit like picking a shoe. Go try them out and see which one fits you better.

chery t7

1 yr wont be 30k off

A friend has one and went for a very long holiday. Came back and car wouldn't start and nobody dare to touch it, not even the Toyota mechanic, because the hybrid voltage can kill. Have to be towed to Toyota workshop for checking.

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Do you meant the car stay at car porch during long holiday w/o ppl ignitiate the engine?

Not following car price. Last time when Subaru was still new to market, I got my Forester for about 130k (could not remember the exact price). New production on that year was exactly the same. Just manufacturing date difference.

Yes, if can accept recon or used SUV Toyota Harrier or Lexus SUV like RX/NX 300/200t is a good buy. Toyota are more easier to maintain, spare part are plenty & reliability on top of the range.

Hybird/EV need qualified mechanic & special equipment to fix, not all normal mechanic will accept thus why Hybrid/EV maintenance after warranty is

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 12 2024, 08:54 AM

Agree, but latest Forester SK after discount still around 14x~15xk range, while the smaller Xv around 12x~13xk depending on spec. & year.
Next year after all CKD model ran out, CBU import units already heard rumors' will jack up to around 2xxk.

New 2025 CBU Unit rumors'

Forester SK XT - 1.8T
Xv 3rd gen with Hybrid

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 12 2024, 09:05 AM

Most recent Mazda owners already went out and do their own AT fluid change (Most went out to change on 2nd or 3rd year around 40~60k range). If you go out change, the gearbox should able to last longer but you also got risk if anything happen void warranty if found gearbox oil is not original. Take your chances. Unless you plan to change your ride every 5 years than dont care and drive until the 5 years warranty finish and sell.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 12 2024, 09:02 AM

Best bang for the buck, I would say Haval H6 if you look beyond the brand.

It's THE best selling (not one of the best selling) mid-size SUV in China. With their volume all issues have been resolved in its earlier year of launch.

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A friend has one and went for a very long holiday. Came back and car wouldn't start and nobody dare to touch it, not even the Toyota mechanic, because the hybrid voltage can kill. Have to be towed to Toyota workshop for checking.

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Do you meant the car stay at car porch during long holiday w/o ppl ignitiate the engine?

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Yes. Turns out it is the small 12V battery problem. But you can only know that at the proper workshop. This is one reason why I opted for non-hybrid.

I guess lifetime guarantee means the life of the gearbox of 5 years

Yes, this is a fact nowadays.
The lifetime guarantee is with the car warranty only, after that is your problem.

if i need a big car for family use now... id just get the new alza

rented one for 10 day holiday... 5 adults up and down gunung Kinabalu many times without problem... 1.5l is enough... very comfortable and quiet drive as long as you don't over rev it or put it in stupid sport mode... lol

really value for money n high resale value too...

Please don't look at Hybrid/EV at all, it will look great at first but later it will be a burden for you. Look at Japanese makes like Toyota or Mazda, both are safe, very reliable and with regular maintenance (RM400-600) they serve your family well

For me, I am still wait and see how these Chinese brands perform in the next 5 to 10 years..

Just like 10 to 15 years ago how our market was flooded with European and American brands like VW, Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, Chevy and Ford.. A lot of us flocked to buy one as they were the best bang for bucks at that time compared to the Japanese brands. But most of them are dead if not half dead by now pledged with reliability and after sales issues.

I was one of those who bought a VW, and I sold it and got a Toyota instead.. As I learned, our Msia or rather southeast Asia region, the brand that has the most mature ecosystem is Toyota.. more than half on our roads are Toyotas (Perodua+Toyota+Lexus)

Nothing against Chinese cars, but need to be a bit adventurous if you plan to get one..

I have no experience on hybrid.. I still prefer old school big cc no turbo.. maybe others can share their views..

This post has been edited by OrangeGrove: Sep 12 2024, 04:12 PM

5 years/100k km, whichever come first. If it me, 100k km at year 3+ sure hit.

From test drive last time, Chery Tiggo 8 interior look and feel decent. But that time, all test drive units are CBU, so not sure if ckd got different. If dont really care about RV, China manufacturers are best for features.

To say HM and Toyota are reliable, both having steering rack issue, although one brand have to more frequent change needed at SC.

first time see this brand, look like range rover. price also nice.
car should be this price, few hundred k at the end of 5-10 years also scrap

thanks for the opening the thread , i am in a similar limbo , driving a 2009 Honda City , time for an upgrade year end.

Need reccomendations for a SUV , but i dont have kids ... i enjoy the pleasure of driving an SUV.. the cross seems to be a winner in my analysis

if recond where do you normally service , does it have like service centers like the usual honda , toyota ?

I service outside.. no need to go to Toyota authorized service center. In fact, I don't know if they willing to take in, because specifications could be different between Japan specs and local.

You can join car groups for the model you want and ask around. They will share their experiences with you. You can test water first by joining the group even before you buy, and see if you are comfortable with it..

This post has been edited by OrangeGrove: Sep 12 2024, 06:25 PM

If cap at 140k, new car,

Existing model - Cross if want hassle free, now got lots "stock clearance" discount, just that you have to live with foot brake (sometimes ppl just can't accept it), then HRV, then J7, if budget up a bit then go for Forester previous year, you won't go wrong with SAWD driving experience and stability

Coming soon model will be Jetour, new P2 SUV, Yaris Cross, expected is end of this year but no launch date. and the most recent is the xPander, spacious and SUV driving experience (It's a MPV)

Double post

This post has been edited by yhcyber: Sep 13 2024, 08:51 AM

Don't get the current Jaecoo J7, wait for the facelift !!

Just FYI, for those think that why Chery brands car got Land Rover look alike...

The are JV

https://www.cheryjaguarlandrover.com/en/

Double post, stupid mouse

This post has been edited by yhcyber: Sep 13 2024, 09:14 AM

In that case, probably good to wait for Cross FL.. maybe the added features worth the wait.

For the current Cross, foot brake is the least of my worry, it's a matter of getting used to it like my MarkX. One thing that I forget to mention is Cross comes with rear torsion beam (HRV as well) where as others are using multilink. Multilink suspension is more comfortable for rear passenger that's a fact. Nevertheless Toyota is still the one give peace of mind in the long run. As I said before, If TS is more adventurous can look for a used or recon Harrier or NX.

Actually I also planning to replace my Axia due to job change and the driving distance increase from 6km per way to 27km per way, I am looking for a comfort ride for the daily jam

I am waiting Jetour T2 since I am not in rush, and I like box shape car, rumors putting it under 160k for petrol version, expected to launch by end Dec this year

Jetour T2 looks very nice indeed..

What you drive - Cross, HRV... Ohh
What you drive - Harrier ... Fuyoh

Sorry, maybe I am a bit shallow minded

This post has been edited by OrangeGrove: Sep 13 2024, 11:18 AM


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If Recon then Harrier is a good choice, easy to maintain

I think the only negative is the road tax if you never have 2000cc and above car before

I see quite a few Jaecoo J7 on the road these days. Let's see it's reliability over the years, then next time can consider this brand.

Chery was such a huge letdown many years ago.

It's manageable.. only RM290 extra per year if you compare with 1.5L , RM24 extra per month.. RM2900 extra if you own it for 10 years..

If you can afford a RM140k car, the extra RM290 is like sap sap sui because your insurance and other cost will be higher... unless you are buying a budget car under RM50k then you would want to consider road tax.

The RM290 extra per year easily recovered due to its reliability and easy maintenance..

I am now paying RM880 for 2.5 na , my previous car was only 1.2 turbo and was paying only RM55 😆..

This post has been edited by OrangeGrove: Sep 13 2024, 09:44 PM

Looks like you already have many suggestions here. As for your question which is better, the Corolla Cross hybrid or normal version, I have test driven both last year and to me the normal version is my pick for better drivability. Only pick hybrid if fuel consumption is your priority. You can test drive both and decide for yourself. FWIW the Corolla Cross comes with a foot brake, the upcoming facelift due to launch next year will drop the foot brake, replaced by electronic parking brake.

Another option if you are not in a hurry is the upcoming Nissan Kicks due to launch before end of this year. It has an electric motor driven by petrol.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Sep 13 2024, 11:43 PM

IMHO among the Japanese Corolla cross hybrid is way more drivable. Instant torque 0-50, and smooth all the way.

But it’s small.
Get the facelift it will do away with footbrake.

For real bang for buck I’d take the new x70.

Other than brand perception and potentially “spare part shortage “ it has everything. Size comfort handling acceleration safety looks ok to me too. Will save you a pretty penny too.

i think auto buzz did a review recently and the fuel consumption for mainly highway driving was 11 litres per 100 km

is that considered good or bad?

Full highway driving, 11l per 100km is kinda high for a 1.6t, but maybe slightly justified by the weight and size of the car.

This one really make me burst out laughing

Most probably not into recond as many friends and family relatives have bad experiences in recond.

I am not familiar with car as well, scared fall into sxxxhole.

Harrier no doubt is very reliable but the new price is out of my budget.

Design of Jaecoo looks very good but I see many in China platform complain tail light masuk air or the bottom of car become rusty.

Thanks for your insight.

Most probably if were to choose corolla, I might be picking the old version since it's more rebate as opposed to a newer one.

I don't really need much power since I wont be driving that fast. Just a regular car that is comfort is good enough eventually.

X70 rear looks a little bit too dated but if it's good bang of buck, I might be considering it as well since the main concern is comfort and bang for buck.

Is X70 premium variant worth the 13k more than the executive one?

Nappa leather and ADAS whether justify the 13k extra?

Oh yes, I don't really into EV car at the moment. Hybrid might be still okay since if battery goes wrong, we still can use the car as conventional ICE car? Not sure whether it is possible.

Saw the Tiggo 8 in one exhibition! It indeed quite huge and the interior is decent.

But Cherry Tiggo 8 is out of the budget range I believe. 160k+ if not mistaken.

Seemed like corolla cross is the one to go with the ongoing promo make it even a better deal

Hey there! Have you make up your mind?

I was thinking of whether to take up the cross with rebate or X70 with 7k rebate as well.

Not sure which one would give better bang of bucks.

I think foot brake is fine for me as I have close family that own Alza and occasionally I do drive the Alza without much problem.

Forester is in 160k+ range I believe so it's totally out of budget. Trying to stay below 140k if possible.

P2 SUV seemed like delay for quite some time already. Else it seemed like a better deal than taking cross.
That's looks like copy and paste from RR.

But Jaecoo just launch, I don't think it's going to be that fast of facelift?

That's good to know! The ride is kinda low though.

How is the comfort level as compare to those suv like x70 or toyota cross?

Alza if not mistaken would have long waiting list.

You rented which variant previously?

I know picking cars is 100 % emotions and 100% logic. You are asking for bang for the buck and not the prettiest bang.

Anyhow I find the Corolla cross not the greatest looker either, not especially the pre facelift.

Tbh I bought a cx-5 but it’s slightly above your mentioned budget. If you can swing it is definitely suggest test drive. Even the 2.0 high.

So in my mind yes I won’t even consider a car that does not do adas. And not even the previous x70 that has poor adas.

Honda steering rack say hi to peace of mind . Hahaha

Good move. Wait until year end or better still, wait until they introduce the new facelift Corolla Cross model, then you will surely get a huge discount, surely more than RM10k as they try to clear the old models. When Toyota introduce the facelift Corolla sedan, there were huge discounts up to RM15k, average or minimum RM13k for the old Corolla model.

As for your question on which vehicle is more comfortable, the Corolla Cross or Alza, based on my experience of the test drive of the Corolla Cross and sitting inside the Alza as a passenger (my brother-in-law owns one), both are equally comfortable but the Corolla Cross has the edge mainly due to the suspension which is not as bouncy or soft as the Alza. There is a difference with the seat material too, the Corolla Cross comes with leather seats while the Alza comes with fabric seats even for the high spec model. One can choose to install the PVC seat cover option at Perodua for just RM1k if I'm not mistaken. The PVC seats feel OK but for the price you can't expect much and isn't as comfortable as the leather seats which come as standard in the Corolla Cross or other vehicles. For space in the 2nd row, the Alza actually feels slightly roomier than the Corolla Cross but I may be wrong.

Actually the Alza is a 7 seater and isn't exactly comparable to the Corolla Cross which is a 5-seater SUV. The 3rd row in the Alza is actually not bad and can fit a single adult around 5' 7" rather comfortably but with limited legroom. It's a bouncy ride if sitting in the 3rd row. If the 3rd row is not important, the Corolla Cross is the better choice for overall comfort and performance but for overall value, I would have to say the Alza is great value as a 7-seater. Big price difference between Corolla Cross and Alza too so you are actually looking at 2 different vehicles.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Sep 17 2024, 12:12 PM

rented the alza h... its not as high as suv but higher than normal cars for sure... too high is not so good imho as old folks hard to get in and out... i think is a good compromise for a family car... 2nd row got so much leg rooms... 7 seater means 3 generations can go outing easily in one car...

dunno about comfort vs x70/cross... you will have to try it on the same road to test it out... i didn't find nvh lacking... the x70/cross may well be better but its not going to be night and day... you can test the cross and its sister veloz out on the same day/road...

ps... when you test drive, take note of tire size and pressure also... ideally you test the model you wanna get, but often they have the higher spec model with bigger sportier rims which compromises comfort...


This post has been edited by dwRK: Sep 17 2024, 12:17 PM

Have the Alza and sit in my friend CC regularly for meals. The cross is way more comfortable and P2 being true to its history puts in the worse seats in their models. Any journey longer than a few hours in Alza is intolerable.

Alza wheelbase is longer than CC that makes its center row more spacious even if last row adjusted for adults.

Still a B-segment with myvi engine straining to pull when fully loaded. Would get the better build more comfortable C-segment Cross if budget permits.

Good to know. I haven't driven the Alza but have sat in it several times in the 2nd row and also 3rd row. My parents usually sit in the 2nd row together with the granddaughter and often praise the generous legroom and space in the 2nd row seats. No complaints whatsoever for a 7-seater that's just RM70k which is unbeatable value. Other equivalent 7-seater MPVs are priced close to RM100k or more, and I was told that the 3rd row seat of the Mitsubishi XPander has smaller space and legroom than the Alza but it's priced much higher at RM110k+, though it may have other advantages elsewhere such as nicer exterior etc.

The Corolla Cross rear seat does feel a little small for a C-segment when compared to B-segment Alza which is weird. Supposedly the Corolla Cross cabin space and legroom at the rear seats should be better than the Perodua Alza but it's the other way round.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Sep 17 2024, 04:08 PM

I am not sure about other X70s but one of our X70 company car recently encountered gearbox problem where it couldn't shift to D. IT's just above 5 years old. Personally the X70 looks dated and bulky to me, also fuel consumption is on the high side.

dont understand why you all comparing Alza vs Corolla Cross.
Totally Different class I would say
better test drive Harrier recon, this will be much better than both Alza and Cross.

Cbu or ckd unit? The gb issues only on the cbu cz using old, 6 gear auto torque converter while ckd use DCT. Few cases of DCT when had issues are due to HCA pump, but kudos to Proton, they can take this under warranty within 5 years unlimited mileage.

Suv size with small displacement turbo engine fc sure on high side if really push it. But considerate drive (120-140kmh) long distance travel gets me 8.4L/100km. City drive meanwhile different story, can easily hit 10L/100km for KL massive jem

Now in Indonesia, take their Grab for 70km distance, on Toyota Avanza (Alza) manual here, with 5 gear. On 110-120kmh, it kinda high rpm (seem similar to Toyota Aruz). This car for those who had 3-4 kids but with affordable price, engine wise I believe it's an underpower. But no issues for normal driving drive without pushing

I'm not sure if CKD or CBU but it's a model that's more than 5 years old. The gearbox costs RM29k and the total cost of replacement plus other parts and labour costs RM33k which is an astronomical figure just for the gearbox alone. Pity the owners if the gearbox malfunctions out of warranty period.

1.3 or 1.5 ?

mt will always rev higher at high speed/highway... no such high rev problem with cvt during my holiday drive...

in fact i tot it was turbo until my friend corrected me... i find the power adequate, handling firm and ride comfortable...

end of the day, up to ts to test drive it...



This post has been edited by dwRK: Sep 18 2024, 10:30 AM

I assume it is a cbu due to the price u mentioned. Cz dct so far only need the HCA pump replacement after high mileage for few cases.

Its a basic unit, manual, 1.3L. It struggling at climbing hill when reaching my hotel area.

For Alza with CVT, sure the rpm much lower than manual, somemore P2 use 1.5L engine.

For that budget, consider good already for P2 with including safety features

I think other countries' cross come with 2.0 liter engine whereas Malaysia's still 1.8. And the foot brake

I didn't consider the Forrester because overseas they are comparing the 2.5 liter with the Honda 1.5T. Malaysia's only 2.0

2.0NA is gonna EOL, since the upcoming will be CBU from Japan for SEA market

Rumors on 1.8T to reduce the tax, but the price will not from 160k, maybe 180k and above

Just test drive X70 recently and it looks good for its price tag especially the executive variant which is about 100k.

Thinking of getting either X70 executive or Premium. Not sure the premium justify the 13k extra as compared to the executive though.

Have young children and worry the light colour seat might get stained easily.

What do you guys think?

If you have access to home charging, the Neta X is not a bad choice. Or you can get Omoda E5 and Atto 3 at sub rm130k

Apart from the 18" -> 19" rims and adaptive cruise control, do you depend on the additional safety tool?
Blind spot, autonomous braking, lane keep, collision warning