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 Zina bukan rogol kenapa dia saja masuk jel?

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post Sep 5 2024, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Sep 5 2024, 12:46 PM)
Mangsa ialah seorang wanita yang rela.

This statement alone really fucuk the bm.
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Mangsa tak suka tapi turut berzina
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post Sep 5 2024, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Sep 5 2024, 12:50 PM)
When you kena interrogated, zina suka sama suka also can change to kena rogol.
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same as kes kes liwat Anwar Ibrahim .. one say suka sama suka , the other say liwat I tak suka ...
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post Sep 5 2024, 01:32 PM

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Don't have the facts of the case nor am I really interested to read it.

How old is the victim and how did the 3 judges came to different conclusions about her? Did the 2nd and 3rd judges interviewed everyone again?

So no force was involved? Just prove he is buaya darat type?

QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ Sep 5 2024, 01:13 PM)
Actually you are right. I went to read the case. The lawyer is right that even the most evil accused should be given his right to appeal and apply for stay of execution. Maybe it's because the judge has been influenced by public opinion / media.
This kind of afterthought rape case is very common in the West lol. I understand why the lawyer is upset with this kind of practice being allowed and enforced in Malaysia.

(f) with her consent, when the consent is obtained by using his position of authority over her or because of professional relationship or other relationship of trust in relation to her

The prosecution said that based on the accused’s position and the testimonies of witnesses, Syed Shah Iqmal is a well-known preacher and a motivator who is highly regarded, but he used his position to take advantage of the victim.

The prosecution also demonstrated that the victim was vulnerable due to suffering from depression, which rendered her unable to make decisions and resist the accused, she said.

Abis lah next time, even with consent, you need to make sure everything is right before doing it.
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post Sep 5 2024, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(headache @ Sep 5 2024, 01:32 PM)
Don't have the facts of the case nor am I really interested to read it.

How old is the victim and how did the 3 judges came to different conclusions about her? Did the 2nd and 3rd judges interviewed everyone again?

So no force was involved? Just prove he is buaya darat type?
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Haha by reading the case I am referring to the "news". Didn't want to spend time reading the full case either.

Personally (big assumption) I think the defence team fked up really bad la plus a little bit of bias. This kind of case usually very hard to prove one if the defence managed to raise even a tiny bit of doubt.

More so since it has been 1 year and the fact that she only reported to the authorities after he declined to reciprocate.

I think he has a chance at appeal but usually the appellate courts won't disturb the finding of facts by the lower courts and will only rule on the issue of law because as the lawyer rightly pointed out, it's unfair for a different judge to decide on the facts without looking at the demeanour of the victim when she gives her version of the story.
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post Sep 5 2024, 01:56 PM

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Dis one ayam agree

Should abandon feminism law
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post Sep 5 2024, 02:10 PM

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Here, even sodomy only one side goes to jail, example you know who....
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Am also surprised that all 3 judges were female.

Yes, without actual physical evidence, the defence lawyer really did drop the ball big time. No tilam was paraded too to hoodwink the marhaen.

But then, we don't know if what the lawyer claimed is true without actual facts of the case. Was there cctv footage of them showing the lady distressed, perhaps?

QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ Sep 5 2024, 01:45 PM)
Haha by reading the case I am referring to the "news". Didn't want to spend time reading the full case either.

Personally (big assumption) I think the defence team fked up really bad la plus a little bit of bias. This kind of case usually very hard to prove one if the defence managed to raise even a tiny bit of doubt.

More so since it has been 1 year and the fact that she only reported to the authorities after he declined to reciprocate.

I think he has a chance at appeal but usually the appellate courts won't disturb the finding of facts by the lower courts and will only rule on the issue of law because as the lawyer rightly pointed out, it's unfair for a different judge to decide on the facts without looking at the demeanour of the victim when she gives her version of the story.
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It's stupid to say the judge for the 3 courts must be the same.

If the judge already said not guilty the first time, do you think he will say something else in the second and third court.

It will mean the judge admitted making a mistake the first time.

That is why judges change in each level of court.

Court of Appeal role is to determine whether the first court made the right decision or not.

All levels of Court serve different purposes.

You found guilty because there was evidence that you were guilty.

It is up to your lawyers and the prosecutor to argue your case in each court.

Judges don't simply make decisions. They listen to arguments and see evidence presented in court.

To say the first judge is correct and the subsequent judge is wrong is an example of ignorance.
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QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ Sep 5 2024, 12:40 PM)
so type M finally realises that there are too many rules in their lives and some are not so convenient to them
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Yes, there are many rules and almost all rules are not convenient to those who refuse to obey. There are do's and don't.
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post Sep 5 2024, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Sep 5 2024, 12:42 PM)
valid point, but, how to objectively evidence that it is a SUKA sama SUKA? how?

there is no way to do that without physical evidence
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Ask victim lor, victim say suka sama suka then is zina lor.
If victim say he suka but tak suka then rogol lor.
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QUOTE(Gon Freaks @ Sep 5 2024, 12:42 PM)
valid point, but, how to objectively evidence that it is a SUKA sama SUKA? how?

there is no way to do that without physical evidence
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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ Sep 5 2024, 12:47 PM)
Unless got video proof, it is pretty much rape case depend on female testimony
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Sep 5 2024, 01:08 PM)
its puzzling to me too.
if woman initially consent, dah puas, then allege rape. Howlar...not fair also
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Need consent form la. Signed with IC photocopy.
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QUOTE(bristlebb @ Sep 5 2024, 01:56 PM)
Dis one ayam agree

Should abandon feminism law
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post Sep 5 2024, 02:23 PM

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post Sep 5 2024, 02:28 PM

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But that guy was a moronic bigot, yes? This case would be thrown out under Shariah (law for zina), unless the accused himself confirmed penetration took place due to lack of physical evidence and reliable witnesses. Burden of Proof in victim testimony will need to be as bullet proof as any in the case of rape accusation (since without physical evidence).

QUOTE(ally9970 @ Sep 5 2024, 02:14 PM)
Yes, there are many rules and almost all rules are not convenient to those who refuse to obey. There are do's and don't.
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QUOTE(Cyberbullies @ Sep 5 2024, 01:13 PM)


Abis lah next time, even with consent, you need to make sure everything is right before doing it.
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Nope, its should be everything is and will always be right AFTER doing it Remember, women remembers everything. Suddenly she decided to korek 30 years old story and drag you to court, how?
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QUOTE(vapanel @ Sep 5 2024, 12:54 PM)
I think so. But I could be wrong
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Yes you are wrong. They are still husband and wife.
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post Sep 5 2024, 02:31 PM

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thats why need prepare mutual consent letter signed and stamped before to proceed zina
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QUOTE(hotdayum @ Sep 5 2024, 12:37 PM)

Sekian. Sila bersurai secara aman dan teratur.
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Get better lawyers. Steal billions also can get diskaun and house arrest. Some lawyers can make drug evidence hilang.

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Sep 5 2024, 02:30 PM)
Yes you are wrong. They are still husband and wife.
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she go back to taliban? why?

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