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New absorber with old spring, Getting sport lowering kit
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 10:30 AM, updated 2y ago
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good morning guys, last week, i have replaced my stock proton preve absorbers (since 2012) to KYB ULTRA RS, but retain the original coil thinking of replacing the spring as well becuase old original spring may already be too soft, should i get the original brand spring, or get a lowering sport spring like eibach sport pro kit? any suggestion or review are welcomed before i buy coz i dunno if it will be better or worse
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Zot
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Aug 19 2024, 10:45 AM
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Normally you don't change spring. It hardly get softer in my opinion.
Do you like to lower your ride until has to crawl when go over a bump especially in housing area? Shorter spring means using stiffer absorber (hard spring too) to prevent tire movement hit max distance to your car body which means bumpy ride. In racing sport is okay because you are not driving all day long but for daily you, I would regret that.
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 19 2024, 10:45 AM) Normally you don't change spring. It hardly get softer in my opinion. Do you like to lower your ride until has to crawl when go over a bump especially in housing area? Shorter spring means using stiffer absorber (hard spring too) to prevent tire movement hit max distance to your car body which means bumpy ride. In racing sport is okay because you are not driving all day long but for daily you, I would regret that. i see, from what you explain here....i only drives on weekend, if im driving alone, the absorbers is ok but when i drive with passengers on board, it somehow, still feels abit soft
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anakkk
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Aug 19 2024, 11:02 AM
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weekend car only, no need spend so much la
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zuozi
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Aug 19 2024, 11:10 AM
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Usually stock coil spring don't often change but they do have different when side by side the new one vs the old one like 1.5 to 3 inch height different for my more than 7 year old working vehicle last time, but in real road conditions do they have height difference or not tak tahu, me also no go measure the gap in between tyre to fender kind of things after installation ๐
This post has been edited by zuozi: Aug 19 2024, 11:12 AM
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 19 2024, 11:10 AM) Usually stock coil spring don't often change but they do have different when side by side the new one vs the old one like 1.5 to 3 inch height different for my more than 7 year old working vehicle last time, but in real road conditions do they have height difference or not tak tahu, me also no go measure the gap in between tyre to fender kind of things after installation ๐ my ride height before and after change the absorber, not much different also...but comparing the force needed to push down or goyang2 the car up and down, new one is harder
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zuozi
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Aug 19 2024, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 19 2024, 11:39 AM) my ride height before and after change the absorber, not much different also...but comparing the force needed to push down or goyang2 the car up and down, new one is harder  I don't know for other but my other working vehicle rear coil spring after replacing original new spring and absorber also don't feel much different for driving conditions i never go and pushing down to test, i only feel different when i replace rear absorber with serviceable/thicker diameter made absorber from those 4x4 workshop only i feel have different like rear load/unload no more too bloating/shaking ๐
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matrix88
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Aug 19 2024, 12:07 PM
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after changing absorbers, bushing, etc, the ride should be very comfortable if can hit the bottom when carrying passengers, means the absorbers either too soft or the springs sag oledi, can replace. but again if replace with eibach which is lowered springs, then it defeat the purpose because it is for stable rides, but will still hit the bottom because lowered.
This post has been edited by matrix88: Aug 19 2024, 12:08 PM
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 19 2024, 11:54 AM) I don't know for other but my other working vehicle rear coil spring after replacing original new spring and absorber also don't feel much different for driving conditions i never go and pushing down to test, i only feel different when i replace rear absorber with serviceable/thicker diameter made absorber from those 4x4 workshop only i feel have different like rear load/unload no more too bloating/shaking ๐ in my case, even the ride height is relatively the same, but somehow, the front absorbers feels softer than rear..when braking, feels macam the front dived more than the old one
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zuozi
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Aug 19 2024, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 19 2024, 12:08 PM) in my case, even the ride height is relatively the same, but somehow, the front absorbers feels softer than rear..when braking, feels macam the front dived more than the old one  Possibility your front absorber is oil type? gas type absorber much more stiff.
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acbc
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Aug 19 2024, 12:41 PM
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Springs don't go soft with overtime except if the absorbers are dead and the chassis being supported by the springs for long periods.
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 19 2024, 12:38 PM) Possibility your front absorber is oil type? gas type absorber much more stiff. i think its gas type, later i check again
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littlefire
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Aug 19 2024, 02:01 PM
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Please check your new absorber shalf length, if not mistaken original RS spec. fit with original spring unless the shalf length come shorter than your original absorbers usually 1inch shorter for lowered purpose.
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babisotong
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Aug 19 2024, 04:22 PM
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so far eibach spring got tons of positive review of it's still comfortable despite lowered. go for eibach
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TSahchat
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Aug 19 2024, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Aug 19 2024, 04:22 PM) so far eibach spring got tons of positive review of it's still comfortable despite lowered. go for eibach cant find kit for proton preve on eibach website though
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babisotong
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Aug 20 2024, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 19 2024, 08:03 PM) cant find kit for proton preve on eibach website though weird, tons of shop are selling it though. even here (ariesautocraft.com/products/eibach-pro-kit-performance-springs-proton?variant=40135062290613) got preve as an option
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BoomerangCircles
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Aug 20 2024, 09:14 AM
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Getting Started

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Spring no crack no need change
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TSahchat
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Aug 20 2024, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(babisotong @ Aug 20 2024, 09:04 AM) weird, tons of shop are selling it though. even here (ariesautocraft.com/products/eibach-pro-kit-performance-springs-proton?variant=40135062290613) got preve as an option same case with KYB ULTRA RS absorbers, on their website, dont have for proton preve, but many car shops sells for proton preve
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GamersFamilia
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Aug 22 2024, 10:51 AM
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For spring better change new original proton
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TSahchat
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Aug 22 2024, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Aug 22 2024, 10:51 AM) For spring better change new original proton aye aye master chief...maybe getting new ori spring for front first, see how
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GamersFamilia
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Aug 22 2024, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 22 2024, 02:03 PM) aye aye master chief...maybe getting new ori spring for front first, see how Yes then for the rear
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JON97
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Aug 23 2024, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 19 2024, 08:03 PM) cant find kit for proton preve on eibach website though QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 20 2024, 09:36 AM) same case with KYB ULTRA RS absorbers, on their website, dont have for proton preve, but many car shops sells for proton preve  Youll need to ask the shop to see if they got sell.. Many official website they just don't or couldn't update all of their product list.
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JON97
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Aug 23 2024, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 19 2024, 10:56 AM) i see, from what you explain here....i only drives on weekend, if im driving alone, the absorbers is ok but when i drive with passengers on board, it somehow, still feels abit soft  Usually is like that.. When with passengers springs will be more compressed.. Hence the need for harder spring to not feel soft.. Lowered spring is basically the same hardness but shorter.
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TSahchat
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Aug 23 2024, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(JON97 @ Aug 23 2024, 09:00 AM) Youll need to ask the shop to see if they got sell.. Many official website they just don't or couldn't update all of their product list. i see...coz my usual foreman, he said the preve KYB absorber only have for exora only which is on the website la...he told me, shop probably sell it preve user as well, since it can be fitted, just that the stroke for front is abit different coz exora shock stroke is shorter QUOTE(JON97 @ Aug 23 2024, 09:04 AM) Usually is like that.. When with passengers springs will be more compressed.. Hence the need for harder spring to not feel soft.. Lowered spring is basically the same hardness but shorter. looks nice, but i will not spend much for testing..later dah beli, but dont like, not easy to sell off
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GamersFamilia
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Aug 23 2024, 01:03 PM
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for comfort purpose kindly use original spring , previously i used GAB adjustable absorber plus GAB spring for my acv30 camry , then after few years decided changed back all to standard spring and absorber ( bought brand new ) .. then no problem for long distance driving
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JON97
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Aug 23 2024, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 23 2024, 09:57 AM) i see...coz my usual foreman, he said the preve KYB absorber only have for exora only which is on the website la...he told me, shop probably sell it preve user as well, since it can be fitted, just that the stroke for front is abit different coz exora shock stroke is shorter looks nice, but i will not spend much for testing..later dah beli, but dont like, not easy to sell off  I wouldn't take the chance with using another car/model unless they are 100% the same if not it will give you lots of issues, but even if it is for your exact car doesn't mean it is made exactly the same as ORI.. Like my tein.. longer shaft, flat top not a cone for the bearing to sit and spring sit higher which causes the stabilizer link to be higher and make sound when going over bumps. eibach got second hand value, cause of its price..But don't expect it to sell so fast..
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TSahchat
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Aug 23 2024, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Aug 23 2024, 01:03 PM) for comfort purpose kindly use original spring , previously i used GAB adjustable absorber plus GAB spring for my acv30 camry , then after few years decided changed back all to standard spring and absorber ( bought brand new ) .. then no problem for long distance driving almost went for adjustable, but then again, my car old already, the amount i paid for adjustable could easily spent on replacing all the undercarriage stuff
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GamersFamilia
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Aug 23 2024, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 23 2024, 03:00 PM) almost went for adjustable, but then again, my car old already, the amount i paid for adjustable could easily spent on replacing all the undercarriage stuff  me myself regret using adjustable , not as comfort as stock , long distance driving very tiring .. but now everything back to stock , long distance feel much better
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dwRK
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Aug 24 2024, 01:03 PM
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when you carry more load/ppl... pump more air !!!
should never need to change springs unless confirmed damaged...
This post has been edited by dwRK: Aug 24 2024, 01:05 PM
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Chyan
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Nov 14 2024, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Aug 23 2024, 03:00 PM) almost went for adjustable, but then again, my car old already, the amount i paid for adjustable could easily spent on replacing all the undercarriage stuffย  Necro'd your thread cos I got curious. Already changed springs? Got difference? This post has been edited by Chyan: Nov 14 2024, 03:37 PM
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