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Mavik
post Aug 28 2024, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 16 2024, 07:15 PM)
In this scenario, I am a line manager and my boss is a GM. I have a team of staff working under me.

My company recently changed WFH policy from 2 days WFH per week, to 1 day WFH per week.

One of my staff was on MC yesterday due to normal viral fever. Late last night, he asked me if he could WFH today as he wasn't feeling well enough to return to office. Otherwise, he would take MC for today and be home. This staff had already used up the allocated WFH day earlier this week.

I considered his request, and told him that if he really couldn't come to office tomorrow, he can WFH.

Today, I got a proper dressing down from my boss. He formally reprimanded me and gave me a warning.

I reasoned that the reasoned I allowed this was:

1. The alternative is, the staff would take MC again today. This way, they continue getting work done from home.
2. Staff has been with us 2+ years and has no disciplinary issues with leaves / MCs prior to this.
3. As a line manager, I should have some discretion in giving my team members minor allowances within reason.
4. Younger people this days will appreciate a certain amount of flexibility being afforded to them by their superiors.

My boss reasoning:

1. HR Policy is clear WFH is only one day a week and doesn't mention that superiors can offer more on their discretion.
2. How will he manage if staff from other teams who complaint to him about this.

He says this should never happen again and if it does he will escalate to HR.

Can I have thoughts from forumers here? Am I really in the wrong? Can HR take action against me for something like this?

I suspect my boss might have issue with HR that I am not aware of, so he is afraid that HR might take action against him. Neither me nor anyone from my team has any HR issues.
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Sounds like a great opportunity for you to clear the air with HR (basically get clarification) and get confirmation on the policies. If HR confirms that the policy has no leeway for flexibility, then it is a good lesson and it clears the air.
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post Aug 28 2024, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 16 2024, 07:15 PM)
In this scenario, I am a line manager and my boss is a GM. I have a team of staff working under me.

My company recently changed WFH policy from 2 days WFH per week, to 1 day WFH per week.

One of my staff was on MC yesterday due to normal viral fever. Late last night, he asked me if he could WFH today as he wasn't feeling well enough to return to office. Otherwise, he would take MC for today and be home. This staff had already used up the allocated WFH day earlier this week.

I considered his request, and told him that if he really couldn't come to office tomorrow, he can WFH.

Today, I got a proper dressing down from my boss. He formally reprimanded me and gave me a warning.

I reasoned that the reasoned I allowed this was:

1. The alternative is, the staff would take MC again today. This way, they continue getting work done from home.
2. Staff has been with us 2+ years and has no disciplinary issues with leaves / MCs prior to this.
3. As a line manager, I should have some discretion in giving my team members minor allowances within reason.
4. Younger people this days will appreciate a certain amount of flexibility being afforded to them by their superiors.

My boss reasoning:

1. HR Policy is clear WFH is only one day a week and doesn't mention that superiors can offer more on their discretion.
2. How will he manage if staff from other teams who complaint to him about this.

He says this should never happen again and if it does he will escalate to HR.

Can I have thoughts from forumers here? Am I really in the wrong? Can HR take action against me for something like this?

I suspect my boss might have issue with HR that I am not aware of, so he is afraid that HR might take action against him. Neither me nor anyone from my team has any HR issues.
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just let ur stuff take MC. ur boss/HR rather staff takes MC then breaking wfh policy.

many companies kena this. most mngt prefers staff to take MC, rather than being productive 'at home'.

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post Sep 3 2024, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 16 2024, 07:15 PM)
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Late to the party, but just a few words from me:

If i see it from the top perspective, your boss is right. Don't start a precedent which will create future problem as other team members/ staff may abuse it, and complain when their request is denied. This would also be seen or criticized as playing "favouritism" if you guys are not careful.

Secondly, it would have indeed better to at least consult your GM before granting the WFH previously because this is making an 'exception' for the staff which deviates from the policy set by HR.

I can see you're just being more 'humane' in managing your team (and I agree to a certain extent we should be flexible), but sometimes corporations just need to manage people in a uniformed manner to ensure harmony among all employees.

This post has been edited by sweet_pez: Sep 3 2024, 01:45 PM
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post Oct 3 2024, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Sep 3 2024, 01:44 PM)
Late to the party, but just a few words from me:

If i see it from the top perspective, your boss is right. Don't start a precedent which will create future problem as other team members/ staff may abuse it, and complain when their request is denied. This would also be seen or criticized as playing "favouritism" if you guys are not careful.

Secondly, it would have indeed better to at least consult your GM before granting the WFH previously because this is making an 'exception' for the staff which deviates from the policy set by HR.

I can see you're just being more 'humane' in managing your team (and I agree to a certain extent we should be flexible), but sometimes corporations just need to manage people in a uniformed manner to ensure harmony among all employees.
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I see what you’re saying, but let’s not pretend that flexibility is a bad thing. It’s not just about being “humane”—it’s about making sure the team stays productive without people having to jump through hoops. If someone’s capable of working from home and the alternative is another sick day, it seems like a smart call to me. Policies are there to guide, but managing a team effectively means knowing when to adapt.

Now, about the favoritism—look, good managers can give flexibility without making it seem like anyone's getting special treatment. It’s about consistency and judgment, and believe me, I know how to strike that balance. No complaints will come up if the whole team knows I’m fair.

As for running every little thing by the GM, let’s be honest, it’s part of the job to make decisions on the fly. Micromanaging every detail only slows things down. Autonomy keeps things efficient, and sometimes you’ve just got to trust the instincts of the person on the ground.

But I can tell you're big on sticking to the rulebook. Maybe we’ll find some middle ground on this one, who knows?
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post Oct 4 2024, 07:30 AM

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Get the guy to take MC perhaps? 1-2 days won't hurt if he has 0 in the last 24mths.


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post Oct 4 2024, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 3 2024, 01:03 AM)
I see what you’re saying, but let’s not pretend that flexibility is a bad thing. It’s not just about being “humane”—it’s about making sure the team stays productive without people having to jump through hoops. If someone’s capable of working from home and the alternative is another sick day, it seems like a smart call to me. Policies are there to guide, but managing a team effectively means knowing when to adapt.

Now, about the favoritism—look, good managers can give flexibility without making it seem like anyone's getting special treatment. It’s about consistency and judgment, and believe me, I know how to strike that balance. No complaints will come up if the whole team knows I’m fair.

As for running every little thing by the GM, let’s be honest, it’s part of the job to make decisions on the fly. Micromanaging every detail only slows things down. Autonomy keeps things efficient, and sometimes you’ve just got to trust the instincts of the person on the ground.

But I can tell you're big on sticking to the rulebook. Maybe we’ll find some middle ground on this one, who knows?
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post Oct 4 2024, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(MISMan @ Aug 28 2024, 10:07 AM)
just let ur stuff take MC. ur boss/HR rather staff takes MC then breaking wfh policy.

many companies kena this. most mngt prefers staff to take MC, rather than being productive 'at home'.
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MC effect bonus, so cannot take more than 2 in a year...
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post Oct 7 2024, 08:55 AM

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Well your boss should give u a scolding and warn you to never do this again.

Did he gave a formal warning via HR or

just a verbal warning and reprimand to you?



This post has been edited by hoonanoo: Oct 7 2024, 08:56 AM
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post Oct 7 2024, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 16 2024, 07:15 PM)
In this scenario, I am a line manager and my boss is a GM. I have a team of staff working under me.

My company recently changed WFH policy from 2 days WFH per week, to 1 day WFH per week.

One of my staff was on MC yesterday due to normal viral fever. Late last night, he asked me if he could WFH today as he wasn't feeling well enough to return to office. Otherwise, he would take MC for today and be home. This staff had already used up the allocated WFH day earlier this week.

I considered his request, and told him that if he really couldn't come to office tomorrow, he can WFH.

Today, I got a proper dressing down from my boss. He formally reprimanded me and gave me a warning.

I reasoned that the reasoned I allowed this was:

1. The alternative is, the staff would take MC again today. This way, they continue getting work done from home.
2. Staff has been with us 2+ years and has no disciplinary issues with leaves / MCs prior to this.
3. As a line manager, I should have some discretion in giving my team members minor allowances within reason.
4. Younger people this days will appreciate a certain amount of flexibility being afforded to them by their superiors.

My boss reasoning:

1. HR Policy is clear WFH is only one day a week and doesn't mention that superiors can offer more on their discretion.
2. How will he manage if staff from other teams who complaint to him about this.

He says this should never happen again and if it does he will escalate to HR.

Can I have thoughts from forumers here? Am I really in the wrong? Can HR take action against me for something like this?

I suspect my boss might have issue with HR that I am not aware of, so he is afraid that HR might take action against him. Neither me nor anyone from my team has any HR issues.
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congratz bro... soon you will be sideline by your boss and no promotion.

this what happen to me 2 years a go when i protect my subordinates

go go bro....

always lick your boss ass...n0 matter what

learn from experiences
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post Oct 9 2024, 09:39 AM

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always follow your boss. ask you team member to take mc next time and don't say is due to your boss being strict.

yes like what some others say here lick your boss ass no matter what.
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post Oct 10 2024, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 16 2024, 07:15 PM)
In this scenario, I am a line manager and my boss is a GM. I have a team of staff working under me.

My company recently changed WFH policy from 2 days WFH per week, to 1 day WFH per week.

One of my staff was on MC yesterday due to normal viral fever. Late last night, he asked me if he could WFH today as he wasn't feeling well enough to return to office. Otherwise, he would take MC for today and be home. This staff had already used up the allocated WFH day earlier this week.

I considered his request, and told him that if he really couldn't come to office tomorrow, he can WFH.

Today, I got a proper dressing down from my boss. He formally reprimanded me and gave me a warning.

I reasoned that the reasoned I allowed this was:

1. The alternative is, the staff would take MC again today. This way, they continue getting work done from home.
2. Staff has been with us 2+ years and has no disciplinary issues with leaves / MCs prior to this.
3. As a line manager, I should have some discretion in giving my team members minor allowances within reason.
4. Younger people this days will appreciate a certain amount of flexibility being afforded to them by their superiors.

My boss reasoning:

1. HR Policy is clear WFH is only one day a week and doesn't mention that superiors can offer more on their discretion.
2. How will he manage if staff from other teams who complaint to him about this.

He says this should never happen again and if it does he will escalate to HR.

Can I have thoughts from forumers here? Am I really in the wrong? Can HR take action against me for something like this?

I suspect my boss might have issue with HR that I am not aware of, so he is afraid that HR might take action against him. Neither me nor anyone from my team has any HR issues.
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post Oct 10 2024, 08:14 PM

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fuh...a price to pay being corporate slaves eh, luckily im out doing my own thing sudah.

 

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