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post Jul 28 2024, 10:03 AM, updated 11 months ago

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Profit down 99% for Nissan

https://www.nippon.com/en/news/yjj2024072500774/

Stellantis to be choppoing unprofitable car brands


https://www.motor1.com/news/727940/stellant...ble-car-brands/

More to come...

Which reminds me of...



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post Jul 28 2024, 10:20 AM

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Honda to end vehicle production at one of its two Thai plants:

Honda Motor will halt vehicle production at its factory in Ayutthaya province in Thailand by 2025 as it plans to consolidate its output under the plant it runs in Prachinburi province was reported 09.07.2024

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile...two-Thai-plants

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/automaker-ho...-203003077.html

Japan's Honda to close China plant, halt production at another factory



[The irony is Nissan and Honda said in March 2024 they were considering a strategic partnership to collaborate on producing EV components and artificial intelligence in automotive software platforms]

And, here we are now merely just 4 months later....
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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/mi...reports-4509571

TOKYO : Japan's Mitsubishi Motors is set to join an alliance between Honda Motor and Nissan Motor, creating an auto group with combined sales of more than 8 million vehicles, the Nikkei business daily said on Sunday.

Nissan and Honda said in March they were considering a strategic partnership to collaborate on producing key components for electric vehicles and artificial intelligence in automotive software platforms.


https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market...reports-3540334

the funny thing is ....Mitsubishi Motors declined to comment on the report, while a Nissan spokesperson would only say the report was not based on something either of the companies had announced. Spokespeople for Honda did not respond to a request for comment.
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post Jul 29 2024, 10:44 PM

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https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news...ces-say-3540438


Nissan cut planned production by a third at its top Japanese plant this month, a move that will also see it slash output of a flagship crossover model, two people said, as it struggles with weak U.S. demand for its ageing line-up...

...The car maker now plans to produce just under 25,000 vehicles at its Kyushu plant in southwest Japan this month, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. Both declined to be identified because the information isn't public.

Nissan was not immediately able to comment, a spokesperson said.

The company expects to make around 10,000 of the Rogue crossover for export at the plant, half of what it had previously planned to make this month of the popular car, the sources said.

In addition to Kyushu, Nissan also makes Rogue models in Smyrna, Tennessee.

Line workers in Kyushu were now working fewer than the usual eight hours a day due to the scaled-back production, and were clocking a little more than seven hours a day, one of the people said.
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post Jul 30 2024, 01:19 AM

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/...ustry-is-not-ok

The Car Industry Is Not OK
Renault, Ford, Nissan and Stellantis report a brutal set of results.

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When was the last time you heard a chief executive talk about the state of their sector like this?

“The auto industry is in turmoil,” Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said to begin his interview Thursday with Bloomberg Television. “Looking at the results, everybody is going in the same direction.”

That direction is, indeed, almost universally down. Consider these four major carmakers that have reported earnings in roughly the last 24 hours:

Renault posted a 35% decline in net income for the first half of the year, sending its stock plunging the most intraday in almost 2 ½ years.

Ford — which many investors believed would beat analyst estimates, raise guidance and return more cash to shareholders1 — went 0-for-3 on those expectations. The stock plummeted as much as 18%.

Nissan reported a surprise drop in quarterly profit, missing the lowest analyst estimate, and slashed its forecast for operating profit this year. Its shares fell to a 15-month low.

Stellantis trailed expectations for net income (down 48% from a year ago), industrial free cash flow (negative €392 million; the average estimate was for positive €1.78 billion) and net revenue (down 14%). Its stock dropped the most intraday in Paris since the company’s early 2021 formation.


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Fret not. In 15y time your beloved teslas n other EVs will be legacy when hydrogen production reaches economy of scale. Maybe earlier than that. Think of EV as Blu-ray Disks when people are already on steaming 🤷
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/29/ford-gm-ste...econd-half.html
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DETROIT – The last time shares of Ford Motor dropped by more than 18% in a day, as they did last week, the U.S. automotive industry was on the brink of bankruptcy during the Great Recession.

Ford, which avoided bankruptcy in 2008-2009, is far from any sort of such disaster, but the freefall in shares after the company missed Wall Street's earnings expectations is the leading example of the uphill battle automakers face for the remainder of the year.

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post Jul 30 2024, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jul 30 2024, 01:23 AM)
Fret not. In 15y time your beloved teslas n other EVs will be legacy when hydrogen production reaches economy of scale. Maybe earlier than that. Think of EV as Blu-ray Disks when people are already on steaming 🤷
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Hydrogen?
May I know where do you find the optimism?

Right now, I have more optimism on Robotaxi

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile...es-for-U.S.-IPO

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GUANGZHOU -- Chinese self-driving startup WeRide has filed for an initial public offering in the U.S., as the company looks to expand at home and abroad.

The company is testing and commercializing robotaxis and other self-driving technologies in 30 cities across seven countries including China.

Chinese media and others have reported that WeRide could raise up to $500 million through a Nasdaq IPO, with some seeing it as becoming the largest listing for a Chinese company in the U.S. since ride-hailing app Didi in 2021.


WeRide was founded in 2017 and is based in Guangzhou. Its founder, CEO Tony Han, previously was involved in developing autonomous driving technology in the U.S. for Chinese internet search giant Baidu.

The company provides driverless buses and cleaning vehicles along with their software to companies in China and Singapore. WeRide's self-driving technology is capable of Level 4 operations, meaning vehicles can function in most situations with minimal driver input.

The company received investments in 2018 from automakers Renault, Nissan Motor and Mitsubishi Motors, with the trio reportedly having agreed to purchase additional shares in the IPO.

More recently, U.S. semiconductor heavy Nvidia has taken a stake in WeRide.

The startup also is working with Germany's Bosch, a global leader in automotive parts, to provide automakers with Level 2 and Level 3 systems that assist drivers and offer conditional automation.

WeRide posted sales of 400 million yuan ($55.1 million) in 2023 and a net loss of 1.9 billion yuan, documents submitted to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission show.

Toyota Motor-backed Pony.ai, another Chinese self-driving startup, also has filed for an American IPO, according to Chinese media. It had aimed to list in 2021, but suspended plans in response to Chinese authorities tightening regulations on overseas listings.

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Jul 30 2024, 10:16 AM)
Hydrogen?
May I know where do you find the optimism?
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My cat. He is green n purple color. Very good in projecting optimism.
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post Jul 31 2024, 09:03 AM

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https://www.cbtnews.com/toyotas-global-prod...e-war-in-china/

Toyota’s global production plummets amid certification scandal and price war in China
This marks the fifth consecutive month that Toyota's output decreased by 20% or more.

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Toyota’s global production tumbled in June, marking the fifth consecutive month of decline. The automaker has been severely impacted by a certification scandal in Japan and an intense price war in China. Worldwide output for Japan’s largest automaker dropped 12.9% to 795,862 vehicles, the steepest decline since December 2022.

In its home market, Toyota’s production plummeted 18.8% following the transport ministry’s findings of irregularities in certification applications by Toyota and other automakers, widening an auto safety scandal.

In China, where domestic electric vehicle makers like BYD have rapidly gained market share and aggressively cut prices, Toyota’s production fell 21.7%. This marks the fifth consecutive month that Toyota’s output in China has decreased by 20% or more.

North America and Europe also saw declines, with production falling 6.2% and 6.6%, respectively, due to fewer production days compared to last year. Overall, Toyota’s worldwide sales fell 5.1% during the month, driven by declines in Japan and China.

Despite these production challenges, Toyota is expected to report a 21% rise in operating profit for the first quarter, reaching $8.7 billion. According to LSEG consensus estimates from six analysts, this anticipated increase is attributed to a weaker yen and robust demand for hybrid vehicles in the United States.

For the first six months of this year, Toyota’s global production decreased by 5%, while worldwide sales dipped by 0.9%. The automaker is due to report its first-quarter financial results on Thursday.
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post Aug 2 2024, 10:23 AM

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More casualties involving German's parts, etc. makers


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/german-auto-...-122508710.html

Bankrupts left right center

Recaro
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business...iles-bankruptcy



BBS too

https://uk.motor1.com/news/728530/recaro-bb...ile-insolvency/

Fanatec


https://www.motor1.com/news/728573/fanatec-...wner-insolvent/

The wheels of time has turned and it's times up for them



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post Aug 5 2024, 09:56 AM

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https://www.theautopian.com/honda-and-nissa...be-one-company/

Perhaps they should become one co

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Honda And Nissan Should Just Be One Company

Peugeot and Citroën are one company. Fiat and Chrysler are one company. Actually, all of those companies are one company now. Why not Nissan and Honda? It would make almost too much sense.

I start this morning’s The Morning Dump (ok, by the time it’s done it’ll only be morning in California, but it’s been one of those days) with news that Honda and Nissan are teaming up on electric cars. Given that many markets they’re in will mandate a huge number of electric cars going forward it makes me wonder why they don’t just become one company.

Perhaps it’ll make them more competitive in China? That’ll be important as both BMW and Volkswagen are reporting first-half financials and both are struggling in the Chinese market.

Toyota isn’t struggling as much with profits still going up, thanks in large part to hybrids.

The Case For Honda-Nissan

The Japanese car market was never big enough to support a homegrown industry focused entirely on itself, which is why Japan became the great automotive exporter of the 20th century. You can go anywhere in the world and find a Toyota, Nissan, or Honda product.

China would like this new century to be defined by exports of Chinese cars, and there’s some evidence they may succeed, but I wouldn’t count out Japan just yet. Carmakers there are still profitable, the engineers remain some of the world’s best, and there’s been a renewed effort to prepare for whatever is to come.

For the last two decades, Japanese automakers have slowly started to coalesce. Daihatsu was swallowed whole by Toyota. Then Subaru teamed up with Toyota. Mazda, once it was separated from Ford, also entered a long-term relationship with… Toyota.

Nissan tried to save itself by teaming up with Renault, which worked until it very much didn’t. Mitsubishi almost failed and was appended onto Nissan at the last minute.

Honda is the one Japanese automaker that’s mostly avoided consolidation, but even Honda has had to partner with other companies to survive. The current generation of Honda and Acura electric cars are based on GM-built Ultium platforms. Honda is also planning to build cars with Sony under a new joint venture.

In general, Japanese automakers have lagged in EV development as they’ve pursued hybridization (which has worked) and hydrogenization (which hasn’t yet).

A hesitancy towards electrification has worked to the advantage of Japanese automakers for now, but Japanese car execs don’t seem to believe this is going to last and want to be prepared for a new, electrified future with software-defined vehicles that are judged as much on their interfaces as their driving performance.

To that end, Honda and Nissan announced a major partnership today. From the press release:

Nissan and Honda are engaged in specific discussions and deliberations with a view to collaborating in various fields to further accelerate efforts to realize a carbon-neutral and traffic-accident-free society. Both companies are promoting R&D and investment in various technologies to promote the spread and evolution of EVs, especially SDVs, which are the scope of study in the fields of intelligence and electrification.

The two companies also believe that the software field, including autonomous driving, connectivity, and AI, which will determine the value of vehicles in the future and become a source of competitiveness, is an area where technological innovation is extremely rapid and where synergies can easily be obtained through the fusion of resources from both companies, such as technological knowledge and human resources.

Here’s what really caught my eye:

With the models to be sold globally by Nissan and Honda, the two companies will consider supplementing models from a short-term to medium- to long-term perspective. For the short-term, Nissan and Honda reached a basic agreement on models and regions to be complemented by each company, and also agreed on the outline of a product review system to be jointly operated by both companies.
ICE and EVs are being considered as vehicles for mutual complementation.

That sounds like building cars together to me. And why not? Toyota has a market cap of almost $300 billion. Honda and Nissan, combined, have a market cap of less than $70 billion. Nissan couldn’t make the Renault relationship work because the underlying concept of a Japanese company being owned by the French state was a bridge too far.

A consolidated Nissan and Honda bring engineering and manufacturing scale without the huge culture clash. I also don’t think their products are so similar that they can’t work in concert. Nissan/Mitsubishi have a truck competency that Honda lacks whereas Honda is way better at building hybrids.

This could just be another tie-up. Or it could be the start of a beautiful friendship.


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Carlos Ghosn: Honda Plans 'Disguised Takeover' of Nissan and Mitsubishi
The ex-Nissan supremo believes the Honda-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance isn’t really much of an alliance.

https://www.motor1.com/news/729285/carlos-g...san-mitsubishi/

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Toyota should join Honda-Nissan software alliance, academic says

(Aug 6): Honda Motor Co and Nissan Motor Co agreed to collaborate on the development of in-vehicle software last week but at least one academic says the duo should be joined by heavyweight Toyota Motor Corp, in order to better compete with foreign rivals.

“Only two or three operating system makers for cars will survive — globally,” said Hiroaki Takada, an information science professor at Nagoya University, who also chaired the Japanese government’s committee on software-defined vehicles.

Japan set a goal in May of having Japanese companies account for 30% of the software-defined vehicle market worldwide by 2030. Automakers or technology firms responsible for the operating systems behind the software to make cars smarter and more autonomous will become just as crucial to advances in passenger transport, as those making engines or batteries.




Currently, the leaders in that field are Chinese automakers and Tesla Inc. However, in the same way the smartphone sector is ruled by Google and Apple Inc with their Android and iOS for iPhone operating systems, so too will the car industry be ultimately delineated, Takada said.

Were Toyota to join Honda and Nissan (and likely also Mitsubishi Motors Corp) in the development of an operating system for cars, that would be one “possible way” for Japan to become a world leader, Takada said.

Google and Huawei Technologies Co are likely to emerge as strong operating system manufacturers in the automotive industry, Takada said, adding that even Tesla would find it difficult to do independently.

Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi combined sold about 8.5 million units globally in the fiscal year that ended in March, lower than the some 11 million units sold by Toyota group companies. When sales from carmakers that Toyota has a shareholding in are added, including Mazda Motor Corp, Subaru Corp and Suzuki Motor Corp, that number balloons to around 16.5 million units.

Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry estimates that software-defined vehicle sales worldwide will reach between 35 million to 41 million units in 2030, while global revenue from robotaxi services will touch ¥80 trillion (US$550 billion) by 2035.

The opportunity this presents really became apparent to Japan and its automakers at last year’s Shanghai auto show, said Takeru Ito, a director in the ministry’s mobility digital transformation office.

“We realise Japan lags behind in this field,” hence cooperating becomes crucial to survive, he said in an interview.

Last week, Honda chief executive officer Toshihiro Mibe said the automaker will “naturally” collaborate with Nissan on operating systems. It’s working on one that it plans to install in electric vehicles (EVs) in North America next year. Toyota, meanwhile, is set to launch its own operating system called Arene next year. If that happens, Japan will be divided into two software building camps.

Legacy automakers are already feeling the cost burden of developing EVs and now with software-defined vehicles, their businesses will be “difficult to sustain if they continue their old practices,” Nobuhito Abe, a partner and the Asia Pacific lead of automotive at Kearney, said.
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Toyota cuts 2024 global output goal by 500,000 units, citing scandals and recalls


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https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2024/0...-recalls/146616
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First you sue

Stellantis Sues A Fourth Supplier Over Price Hikes
The automaker's efforts at cutting costs are now directly affecting its own supply chain

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/07/stellanti...rice-increases/

Then guess what,? you get sued by others too !

https://qz.com/stellantis-earnings-sharehol...suit-1851624360

Stellantis is being sued by shareholders after lackluster earnings
They allege the automaker defrauded them by concealing rising inventories and other issues
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https://insideevs.com/news/731206/byd-honda...n-sales-volume/

BYD Overtook Honda And Nissan In Sales Last Quarter
It turns out that people really do want cheap electric cars. If the trend continues, it won't be long until BYD passes Ford.

https://www.teslarati.com/byd-7th-largest-automaker-sales/

BYD overtakes Honda & Nissan as the 7th largest automaker

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https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/it...afactory-plans/

Italy issues Stellantis an ultimatum on gigafactory plans
Italian Minister Adolfo Urso threatens withdrawal of funding should the automaker continue to waver on the planned Termoli gigafactory.

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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...vices-employees


General Motors said Monday it is laying off more than 1,000 salaried employees at its software and service units worldwide.

GM, confirming the layoffs initially reported by CNBC, said in a statement that "as we build GM’s future, we must simplify for speed and excellence, make bold choices, and prioritize the investments that will have the greatest impact."

CNBC said the job cuts include roughly 600 jobs at GM’s tech campus near Detroit. - Reuters

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/23/ford-ev-str...aller-cars.html

DETROIT – Ford Motor's profit engine for decades has been large trucks and SUVs in the U.S. So it might surprise investors that the automaker believes its new path to profitability for electric vehicles will first be led by smaller, more affordable vehicles.

The new plan is an "insurance policy" for the automaker to be able to expand its growingly popular hybrid models and create more affordable EVs that it believes will deliver a more capital-efficient, profitable electric vehicle business for the company and investors, according to Marin Gjaja, Ford's chief operating officer for its Model e EV unit.
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This probably has more to do with the weakening global economy than anything else
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This probably has more to do with the weakening global economy than anything else
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Also because of the EV revolution and to a certain extent China’s cheap exports flooding the markets. At the end of the day, most people who buy cars buy them for practical reasons - cheap, can get from point A to B, relatively reliable - not many will buy for driving dynamics and handling and engine horsepower and wheel torque.
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Also because of the EV revolution and to a certain extent China’s cheap exports flooding the markets. At the end of the day, most people who buy cars buy them for practical reasons - cheap, can get from point A to B, relatively reliable - not many will buy for driving dynamics and handling and engine horsepower and wheel torque.
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EV horsepower and torque are cheap.

The problem with China EV especially the lower cost options, the chassis is weak. The horsepower is overwhelming the chassis, suspension, which is dangerous for non trained driver.

Secondly, the thermal management also not for sustainable high power output.

At China, there is peak output + 30min sustainable nominal output on the door sticker. But average consumer don't know where to look, and car makers also keep quiet about that.

Porsche is actually the honest one that quote nominal figures + peak during overboost.
Also Hyundai Ionic 5N can outlast Taycan base/4/4S in track endurance battery/motor/brake by large margin. That's mind blowing thermal management.
*Not sure if Turbo get more thermal capacity than the lower Taycan trim.

China EV, so far Zeekr 001 FR is the only one with sustainable thermal management that is in production.

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EV horsepower and torque are cheap.

The problem with China EV especially the lower cost options, the chassis is weak. The horsepower is overwhelming the chassis, suspension, which is dangerous for non trained driver.

Secondly, the thermal management also not for sustainable high power output.

At China, there is peak output + 30min sustainable nominal output on the door sticker. But average consumer don't know where to look, and car makers also keep quiet about that.

Porsche is actually the honest one that quote nominal figures + peak during overboost.
Also Hyundai Ionic 5N can outlast Taycan base/4/4S in track endurance battery/motor/brake by large margin. That's mind blowing thermal management.
*Not sure if Turbo get more thermal capacity than the lower Taycan trim.

China EV, so far Zeekr 001 FR is the only one with sustainable thermal management that is in production.
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That's a very interesting point you raised, which is one which I personally felt to be true - in essence, the legacy automakers, even the big names, Mercedes, Porsche (and to a lesser extent, BMW) are facing problems with their EV platforms, and relatively newer companies, like the ones you mentioned (Hyundai in particular) are making better EV cars in terms of range, driving dynamics etc. What's missing is the badge prestige, and sooner or later, even that will be eroded by the newer upstarts.

In fact, I already feel that Mercedes is slowly but surely losing the brand's exclusiveness and prestige.

Ah well, interesting times we live in.
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Toyota Hybrid sales are getting better in USA. Because there are a few key things that EV still cannot fulfill.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/02/business...n%20competitors.
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Volkswagen warned on Monday that it would consider closing factories in Germany for the first time in its 87-year history and end a decades-old guarantee of job security for workers, as it faces profitability problems amid increasing pressure from Asian competitors.

The company said in a statement that the measures were meant to shore up its namesake brand, but it declined to provide any details.

“In the current situation, even plant closures at vehicle production and component sites can no longer be ruled out without swift countermeasures,” the company said. “The situation is extremely tense and cannot be resolved through simple cost-cutting measures.”



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Volkswagen warns of plant closures in Germany, citing ‘extremely tense’ situation
Published Mon, Sep 2 20249:56 AM EDTUpdated Mon, Sep 2 202412:26 PM EDT
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*German carmaker Volkswagen on Monday warned it will no longer be able to rule out plant closures in the country, citing the specter of major cost-cutting measures in order to “future-proof” the company.

*Volkswagen said it felt compelled to bring an end to its employment protection agreement — a job security program that has been in place since 1994 — in order to secure “urgently needed structural adjustments.”

*“The situation is extremely tense and cannot be resolved through simple cost-cutting measures,” VW brand CEO Thomas Schäfer said in a statement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/02/volkswagen-...ting-drive.html


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https://fortune.com/europe/2024/09/03/germa...exit-recession/

Germany in crisis: Intel and Volkswagen mull a multibillion-dollar withdrawal from the country
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Toyota, Maruti launch marketing drive for hybrids in key Indian state
By Saurabh Sharma & Aditya Kalra / Reuters
03 Sep 2024, 06:20 pm

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LUCKNOW, India (Sept 3): From Instagram ads to telesales, Japanese automakers Toyota and Maruti Suzuki are going all out to market their hybrid cars in the most populous Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, aiming to cash in on tax waivers that upset many of their rivals.

The waivers have split India's auto industry, with Tata Motors, Mahindra and Mahindra and Hyundai  arguing their sales of pure electric cars will suffer. Their lobbying to reverse the July decision failed last month and they now fear other states might follow suit.

At the Sunny Toyota showroom in Uttar Pradesh's capital of Lucknow, salespeople have been tasked to call customers who visited in the last six months to tell them about the benefits of hybrid tax waivers that will help them save US$15,800 (RM68,653) on the luxury Toyota Vellfire model and US$5,200 on its Camry sedan.

"Save big .... Order now and get your hybrid vehicle delivered right at your doorstep," said an Instagram ad by the dealer.

The campaign comes after a rare lobbying win by Toyota to get the state — which accounts for a tenth of India's car sales — to allow tax waivers on sale of hybrid cars, leading to roughly 10% in savings.

India imposes a federal tax of 5% on electric vehicles (EVs) while hybrids are taxed at 43%, just below the 48% for gasoline cars, but state taxes are extra and determined by local governments.

Toyota has globally focused more on hybrids — which combine gasoline engines and batteries — than EVs. That strategy could pay off as worries about charging infrastructure and high prices curb demand for EVs globally, while sales of hybrids pick up.

In Uttar Pradesh, six salespeople for Toyota and Maruti Suzuki — which also supports the waivers — said hybrid enquires were rising and they had been asked by the companies to increase sales.

"We have been asked to sell a minimum of 250 cars in a month. There is a lot of pressure. We are trying to shift all sales to hybrids," a Maruti salesperson said.

Toyota did not respond to a request for comment.

Rahul Bharti, executive director for corporate affairs at Maruti, said its showroom enquiries had "nearly doubled since the benefits have been effected" for hybrids.

Online and WhatsApp ads reviewed by Reuters show dealerships are using taglines including: "Enjoy the nil road tax offer" and "Say Good Bye to Diesel".

At the Sunny Toyota dealership which Reuters visited, salespeople were discussing approaching all customers who were keen to buy gasoline or diesel variants and might now be tempted to buy more expensive hybrid cars given the tax waiver.

Some dealers are advising customers to move quickly.

"No one knows how long the scheme would run," said Praveen Saxena, a sales manager at a Toyota showroom in Kanpur city in the state, adding his hybrid car sales rose 50% after the tax waivers.

KS Dhatwalia, a former Indian government official, chose to buy a new Toyota hybrid Hyryder, partly because of tax benefits.

"Hybrids are less polluting and there was an additional tax saving too," he said.


Aggressive much Toyota via Maruti Suzuki with its hybrid....in India

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VW warns time running out as clashes with workers over cuts
By Reuters - September 4, 2024 @ 6:31pm

WOLFSBURG: Volkswagen has "one, maybe two" years to turn its main car brand around, the automaker's finance chief said on Wednesday, trying to convince workers at a stormy meeting to back plans for deep cost cuts, including German plant closures.

Delayed for several minutes as staff whistled and shouted "Auf Wiedersehen" - German for 'goodbye' - when he took to the stage, Arno Antlitz appealed to the joint responsibility of staff and management to cut spending if the brand is to survive the shift to electric cars.

To a packed hall of 16,000 workers and another 5,000 outside watching on a screen, Antlitz said Europe's car market had shrunk after the pandemic and the company was facing a shortfall in demand of about 500,000 cars, equivalent to about two plants.

"The market is just not there," he told the meeting at Volkswagen's Wolfsburg headquarters. He added he did not expect sales to recover and that the core VW brand had "one, maybe two" years to cut spending and adjust its output.

In response, works council chief Daniela Cavallo said management had "massively damaged trust", and compared its threat to close plants to a "declaration of bankruptcy."


Cavallo urged CEO Oliver Blume, who was not scheduled to give a speech, to address staff and explain why the group was prioritising spending on a 5-billion-euro software partnership with U.S. start-up Rivian over protecting German jobs.


The prospect of site closures at one of Germany's most storied companies has raised more red flags for Europe's largest economy, which is battling anaemic growth, weaker export demand, higher costs and competition from abroad.

Fresh from a drubbing in regional elections that saw a surge in far-right support, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has made Volkswagen a top priority and coordinated with company executives and union members, a source familiar with the matter said.

Labour Minister Hubertus Heil promised support, telling RTL/ntv that "Germany must remain a strong car country." But he did not specify what kind of support and said the company must first do its job to secure employment and prevent site closures.

Scholz's cabinet was expected on Wednesday to agree proposed measures for tax reductions to boost demand for EVs, which has lagged expectations.

Underscoring the tough backdrop, business sentiment in the German automotive industry slid further into negative territory in August, the Ifo economic institute said on Wednesday.

Volkswagen, whose brands also include Audi, SEAT and Skoda, said on Monday it was considering closing factories in Germany and ending a decades-old job guarantee at six of its plants in a drive to deepen a 10 billion euro (US$11 billion) cost-cutting plan. It is targeting a 6.5% profit margin at the VW brand by 2026, up from 2.3 per cent in the first six months of this year.

Unions and Volkswagen management in Germany are due to negotiate over a wage increase in October, but labour representatives want to pull that forward and have a wide-ranging discussion on the carmaker's options, according to Thomas Knabel, representative for the IG Metall union at Volkswagen's Zwickau plant.

But the union, one of Germany's mightiest labour groups with seats on Volkswagen's supervisory board, cannot imagine starting negotiations without the company taking its threat to close down plants off the table, he warned in an interview.

"We need to agree on the rules of the game," he said.

While management laid blame for its financial woes on the worsening economic environment in Germany and new competitors entering the market, labour representatives said the carmaker's production strategy was inefficient and decision-makers had been too slow in investing to produce a mass-market electric vehicle.

Whatever the cause, the company must make quick decisions about where to cut costs, investors and analysts said - a challenging task for a firm of its size and with a complex power structure formed over its 87-year history.

"In difficult times, management and unions have an ability to get to consensus," Jefferies analyst Philippe Houchois said. "But it's not going to be smooth."[/QUOTE]

source: https://www.nst.com.my/business/corporate/2...rkers-over-cuts[QUOTE]
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Toyota chairman to visit Seoul, discuss hydrogen cars with Hyundai’s Chung
Akio Toyoda is coming to Korea on Chung Euisun's invitation, to talk over a shift in strategy from competition to collaboration

...Japan’s Toyota is the world’s biggest vehicle seller and Hyundai’s two automaking units together rank third in terms of volume.

The two companies have fiercely competed to gain a greater share of the future mobility sector, including electric vehicles and hydrogen fuel cell EVs (FCEVs).

In Seoul, the two leaders are expected to declare a business strategy shift from competition to collaboration, sources said...


I bet no one see this coming.... tongue.gif

especially considering the rivalry....

in North America: Aggressive Hyundai EV plan aims to be Toyota's worst nightmare
The South Korean automaker is taking on Toyota's bread-and-butter, and some more.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles...worst-nightmare

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AND in india:

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/hyundai-t...-103052934.html

Hyundai, Tata, others lobby Indian state against hybrid support as Toyota rivalry deepens


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Once the envy of the world, Germany’s car brands now weigh heavily on its struggling economy

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Germany’s car industry was once recognized around the world for its high-quality, innovative internal combustion engine cars. But things have changed since then.

The industry is facing a range of issues, from regulation to macroeconomics, China and EVs.

Issues in the automotive sector may also have spill over effects onto the wider German economy, which has been struggling for some time now.

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Is BYD Going To Become The Largest Automaker In The World?

...We also have had stories on the potential crisis coming Toyota’s way, and the fact that Toyota is even relying on BYD tech for its EVs in China. Given recent decades, it’s hard to not see Toyota at the top of the auto charts, but trends imply that Toyota could be on the way down as BYD is on the way up. BYD is setting foot in more and more markets around the globe, and is surely looking to scale up sales in those countries as the “best value for money” provider of high quality but cheap electric vehicles. Nothing really comes to mind to stop me from thinking BYD is well on its way to becoming “the next Toyota.” And if BYD is the next Toyota, that implies BYD will become the largest automaker in the world.

Convince me otherwise. What arguments are there, really, to counter this?

Oh yeah, and BYD already has its own ocean shipping vessels and is a leader in battery production! The company is vertically integrated like no other.
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The EV Slowdown Will Last Another 12-18 Months, Analysts Say

After that, plan for a "resurgence"—especially if traditional automakers ink deals with EV startups and Chinese firms.
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Sep 6, 2024 at 5:00pm ET

By: Tim Levin
Following years of explosive growth, big promises and a healthy dose of hype, the transition to electric vehicles—particularly in the U.S.—has hit some turbulence. Car companies like Toyota, Ford and Volvo are scaling back their electric plans in the face of uneven consumer demand. And in some ways it all makes sense given how adoption of a new technology typically works out; it’s not always up and to the right, even if that’s the general trajectory.


In a new report out this week, Morgan Stanley's auto-industry analysts say to expect the global EV slowdown to persist another 12-18 months. Around 2027, however, they expect a “resurgence” in EV momentum.

What’s important to note about this “slowdown” is that it’s a drop in the rate of growth—not a decline in overall sales. Amid all the gloomy headlines, it’s easy to miss that more and more people are buying EVs. Morgan Stanley notes that the world is headed for yet another record year of electric sales. The bank’s analysts have an interesting take on what’s causing the slowdown and the keys to fixing it—maybe a Ford/Xpeng collab?—so let’s dive in deeper.


First off: the numbers. Between 2024 and 2026, Morgan Stanley’s autos team now projects that EV sales as a percentage of global car sales will grow from 14% to 17%—3% less than its prior estimates. After that, though, EV sales growth should reaccelerate, hitting an estimated 32% of the global market in 2030. (That’s 8% less than the bank’s analysts previously projected.)

So, EV sales should still climb over the next few years, just not as ferociously as before. There are many intertwined reasons that’s happening, the analysts say.

Why EV Sales Growth Is Slowing Down
Much of the shortfall in EV volume will stem from markets like the U.S. and Europe, where EV affordability and tariffs against Chinese manufacturers “remain key gating factors to EV adoption,” the bank says. EV prices in those markets are 20-30% higher than their combustion counterparts, the analysts note. High interest rates aren’t helping either.


On top of that, global automakers are pumping the brakes on their largely unprofitable EV investments. Most companies making EVs have invested a huge amount in R&D and new production lines, but haven’t hit the economies of scale necessary to be in the black. So they’re doubling down on combustion.

A new boom in demand for hybrids and plug-in hybrids (PHEVs), the analysts say, is also to blame. They’re cheaper and easier to live with than full EVs, in many cases, and threaten to cannibalize EV sales in coming years. Given the surge in PHEV sales over the last year, Morgan Stanley bumped its estimate for global PHEV penetration to 14% by 2030, 3.5% higher than its prior estimate.

How Will EV Sales Bounce Back?
So, what’s the key to an EV rebound? In general, industry watchers point to more confidence-inspiring charging infrastructure, lower vehicle prices and a wider variety of appealing EV options. The Morgan Stanley team argues something different—that the future health of the EV industry hinges on new collaborations between EV companies and established automakers, and especially between Chinese and Western manufacturers.


In other words, Ford ought to strike a deal with China’s Xpeng. Or maybe General Motors should team up with Lucid or Li Auto.

“[I]ncreasing collaboration among legacy OEMs and EV players, evidenced by VW-XPeng, Stellantis-Leap, and VW-Rivian, could help reignite interest in global EV adoption,” the report says.



Legacy automakers, the analysts say, benefit from lots of manufacturing capacity, developed global supply chains, strong brands and access to capital. EV players have the upper hand when it comes to software, electrical architectures (which are becoming increasingly important), driver-assistance tech and technological innovation more broadly. American and European automakers are struggling to produce affordable EVs profitably. Chinese manufacturers, aided by a plethora of government subsidies, are known for blistering development cycles, advanced technology and low manufacturing costs. But tariffs threaten to hinder their advance into huge Western markets.

All of this makes joint ventures look like a win-win, the analysts say. And it’s already happening. The huge Volkswagen Group recently inked a multi-billion-dollar deal with Rivian to leverage the startup’s vehicle software and electrical architectures. The big question is: Would the U.S. government let joint Chinese-American ventures build EVs in the U.S. despite geopolitical tensions? After all, the U.S. plans to slap a 100% tariff on Chinese-made EVs.

The Morgan Stanley analysts say there’s no other choice: “We think joining hands with China's EV ecosystem has become a prerequisite to manufacturing affordable EVs in the US, rather than being optional.”

Contact the author: tim.levin@insideevs.com
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My question is are the Japan government aiding fund used for its intended purpose or otherwise?

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Honda EV for Canada
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If this report is true , then many will get a taste of their own medicines
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Muah hahahahaha

Suddenly both brands look cheap despite asking for high prices.

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...Currently, the only thing protecting the US auto market are the heavy Tariffs but even with 100% Tariffs, Chinese cars are drifting towards competitive pricing which means, if those Tariffs ever went away the automakers now benefitting from those Tariffs would fail. And these car makers are spinning up manufacturing in countries like Mexico which can avoid those Tariffs and can benefit from China’s advantages in terms of parts costs and enjoy labor costs similar to China’s.

GM allegedly responded that they think Zeekr is advancing too fast.

Anticipating The End Of The US Automotive Industry

We were here before in the 1970s, Japan got its car industry together (ironically with a ton of help from US car companies) and suddenly the car companies in the US couldn’t react. Cars like the Pinto and Vega tried to compete but they were relatively poorly built, had serious reliability issues, and the Pinto in particular had a reputation for exploding when hit from behind (I still think this was overblown given most pickups had the same issue – the link is from the movie comedy Top Secret which came out around that time).

This is often how countries lose their industry leadership, for instance, with cell phones Finish company Nokia didn’t think Smartphones were a thing, and then thought Apple was a joke. They lost their dominance and nearly went under and aren’t even a well-known brand today as a result.

AT&T dominated telecommunications until the US market opened up to competition and then they failed over into the Baby Bells, it was eventually resurrected as a very different company, but this lesson is learned the hard way over and over again. You have to step up to competition or that competition will roll right over you.

The Coming Electric Car Tidal Wave

With any new technology, there is an initial over-excitement, then a pullback as the technology catches up to expectations, and then it goes vertical. With AI we are still in that early phase but with electric cars we are quickly going through the valley of disappointment as the infrastructure for charging begins to come online at scale and cars are arriving with significantly greater range, reliability, and battery life.

Granted Musk’s behavior has done significant damage to this effort and Tesla but we are seeing used electric cars to start to outsell gas cars at prices that new Chinese cars enjoy today. That’s a serious problem because if you get good new cars selling at the same price as cars one or two years old you are done as a car company.

These Chinese cars are well built and rich with features, they have had some quality issues but these are in line with what Tesla is experiencing which was and continues to be survivable and they are better, relatively, than the early Japanese cars particularly the ones made in the 50s and 60s.

China’s effort is ramping up nicely and will coincide with what I believe will be a second electric car wave starting in 2025/6, but many western car companies are now pulling back and Jaguar, the one European car maker that decided to go all-electric and stay on the path, is having a really bad time pivoting to electric and may not survive as a result.

Wrapping Up:

When you go to the market you have to be prepared to compete at the same level as your competitors and right now Chinese car companies like Zeekr are so greatly outperforming US domestic car companies that they are starting to overcome massive protective tariffs, should those tariffs be bypassed (Mexican manufacturing) or be eliminated as part of a future trade deal, I doubt companies like GM and Ford will survive and I don’t think the European companies will do much better.

Technology pivots often wipe out much of the pre-existing companies, I expect we are seeing that play out once again.

Rob Enderle is a technology analyst covering automotive technology and battery developments at Torque News. You can learn more about Rob on Wikipedia, and follow his articles on Forbes, on X, and LinkedIn.

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Volkswagen AG’s second profit warning in three months makes one thing clear: Europe’s biggest automaker is in decline.

The German manufacturer on Friday slashed expectations for revenue, profit and cash flow due to waning demand for its cars. The company now expects to deliver fewer vehicles this year than in 2023 — its fourth annual sales slump in five years.

The warning underscores the extent of the crisis at Volkswagen, which has bungled a transition to electric vehicles and lost relevance in China, where its VW, Audi and Porsche brands are hemorrhaging market share. In Europe, Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume faces new entrants including China’s BYD Co. as well as a conflict with unions over possible job cuts and unprecedented plant closures.
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2024 is a year that many in the automotive industry would rather forget. Except for Perodua and Honda, all other mainstream car brands – defined as brands selling more than 10,000 cars annually – experienced a decline in sales.

Although Malaysia’s total new car sales grew by 2.1% last year, reaching a record high of 816,747 units, much of the increase was driven by Perodua, which achieved an 8.4% growth to set a new sales record of 358,102 units.

Nearly every other major brand saw a decline in sales.

2024's top 20 car brands in Malaysia: Who gained and who lost ground, we ranked them 01

Among mainstsream non-national brands, only Honda managed to improve its 2024 sales
Chinese brands like BYD, GWM, Chery, and Jaecoo had a good year, but most – except for BYD – only began introducing their mainstream models last year, making year-on-year comparisons inconclusive.

Further below is a list of the top 20 car brands in Malaysia for 2024.

Top 20 car brands in Malaysia, 2024 (units)

Brand 2024 2023 Diff.
Perodua1 358,102 330,325 8.4%
Proton 147,787 150,974 -2.2%
Toyota1 100,670 150,974 -5.2%
Honda1 81,600 80,000 2.0%
Mitsubishi 16,164 21,716 -25.6%
Mazda5 14,530 19,389 -25.1%
Chery 12,699 4,503 182.0%
BMW1 10,500 11,699 -10.2%
BYD. 8,570 4,470 91.7%
Mercedes2 <8,000 <12,000 -33.3%
Nissan3 7,316 9,563 -23.5%
Jaecoo 6,988 2 N/A
Isuzu4 6,847 9,557 -28.4%
Ford 6,131 8,853 -30.7%
Tesla5 5,124 1,513 238.7%
GWM 2,128 499 326.5%
Volvo 1,964 2,699 -27.2%
VW 1,799 2,788 -35.5%
Lexus 1,621 1,901 -14.7%
MINI1 1,400 1,700 -17.6%
Notes:

1 Figures from company announcements.

2 Mercedes-Benz figures are based on estimates. JPJ data is inflated by reconditioned (recon) units, as Mercedes-Benz Malaysia does not announce its sales figures.

3 Nissan’s figures, including the NV200, were provided by RHB Research.

4 Isuzu figures include only pick-up trucks. JPJ data excludes sales of lorries and prime movers.

5 Estimates, adjusted to exclude recon units.

6 Percentages of Chery, BYD, Tesla and GWM, are inflated by low-base effect. Comparisons are invalid.

Subaru finished just outside the Top 20, with 1,280 units sold (estimated), down 26.9%.

Kia had 1,274 units sold, down 46.7%.

MG, which won't reach its first full-year sales until March 2025, ended last year with 1,156 units sold.

Peugeot sold 1,108 units, down 25.8%.

 

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