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2nd hand or new one?, acoustic guitar
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 3 2007, 01:49 AM, updated 19y ago
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i'm searching for an acoustic guitar around 100-300,but i hav no knowledge wat guitar is good or wat.wat i know people say buy the one that the neck can adjust?am i rite??is there a good guitar around my budget,or i should search for 2nd hand??and which guitar shape is good for damn newbie,thre's 2 shape rite,i dunnu wat its call.really appreciate u guys help.thx! =)
i searched around this forum for members searching for acoustic guitars but all 1k-2k.so i decided to open a new topic.thx again guys..!! =)
Added on November 3, 2007, 10:05 amwell,anybody can help?
This post has been edited by -PatheticSoul-: Nov 3 2007, 10:05 AM
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SHOfrE3zE
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Nov 3 2007, 01:27 PM
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around that price, u can get a gibson acoustic. but try 2 get yamaha. it's good and cheap too..
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Everdying
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Nov 3 2007, 01:36 PM
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Two is One and One is None.
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QUOTE(SHOfrE3zE @ Nov 3 2007, 01:27 PM) around that price, u can get a gibson acoustic. but try 2 get yamaha. it's good and cheap too.. pls find me a gibson acoustic for around his price of rm1-2k. i'll gladly buy it from you.
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quarantined
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Nov 3 2007, 02:29 PM
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I think he meant Epiphones with those Gibson stickers on it. LOL There really isn't much choice for a good acoustic within your range or 100-300. If you're new into guitar and don't have a lot to spend, you can buy a cheap nylon string classical guitar that shouldn't cost more than rm200. Better guitars cost A LOT more...
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 3 2007, 02:32 PM
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atlast sumbody answer..happyyyy
i juz wan a simple one,that i can learn to play except kapok coz i hav one and the neck i think my fren say screwed up..my fren told me not to buy the dreatnaught??dunnu how to spell..wats the differences,hard to play eh??
i searched in yamaha webbie and all the guitar look the same to me..which model is around my range and and good for noobie,coz in yamaha webbie no price are given..
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quarantined
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Nov 3 2007, 02:45 PM
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First you have to make sure, do you want a classical nylon stringed guitar or an a steel string acoustic guitar? What kinds of music you want to play? For 100-300 you can get laminated top acoustic like Yamaha f210, F310(recommended), SX or some Fina models. If you're looking for a classical though, don't bother buying a new one within that range. Stick with your Kapok. I played one too.. until I bought a Yamaha F310.
Did your friend said why not to buy a dreadnought? It's one of the most versatile and popular acoustic shape you know. Maybe he said that because dreadnoughts has steel strings rather than nylon strings on the kapok which is harder to press, especially with cheaper guitars that has a higher action. But frankly everyone who started playing have to get through that.
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 3 2007, 02:50 PM
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i'm not going for classical,me acoustic..he didint say y,he told me dun buy that one for no reason that i know.but i googled dreadnought,its a standard guitar shape aite?maybe today i'll check those yamaha guitars u mention.i found one member selling STAGG for 289rm in this forum.is stagg a good brand??or i should still go for yamaha??one more thing the yamaha f310 and another one u mention the neck can adjust?
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aceejay
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Nov 3 2007, 03:04 PM
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stagg is not bad at all.. cuz my cousin used to have it
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 3 2007, 03:06 PM
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but between stagg and yamaha which is better?
can anyone tell me yamaha f310 the price?i surf yamaha webbie they got offer this
Package Model of F310TBS CONTENTS: Gig bag, Pitch pipe, Stringset, Strap, String winder, Capo, Picks CARTON : 2 color print
sorry if im annoying asking many questions..=)
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quarantined
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Nov 3 2007, 03:40 PM
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The f310 package could cost you slightly more than RM400. The guitar alone might be around RM350++. But I've seen shops that mark up the prices to RM450++  I bought the package a few years back in a local Yamaha music shop for RM425. I'm not sure about the stagg though you should go try it. And all steel string guitars have a truss rod that can are used to adjust neck relief.
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Mr. Z
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Nov 3 2007, 03:41 PM
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Its good to ask sufficient questions before u indulge in anything  Well, i would say try one which feels most comfortable to ur hand when u hold them.. learn a chord or two before u buy and try them on the guitar.. Does it feel alright and comfortable? Google the tips on buying acoustic guitar, but dun have to follow their recommended guitars, coz in western country, their low end guitar is our midrange guitar.. lol
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 3 2007, 03:45 PM
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owh okay okay..i'll go find for a survey then..thanks you so much guys.^^
i'll post anything if i still hav pro
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natchi
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Nov 4 2007, 01:28 AM
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u can get a Yamaha F310 for rm350 in Rhapsody Valley n The Guitar Store, maybe it's the display unit that's why, i saw some shops selling it for rm450  ... pretty good price for a decent acoustic... a pretty good beginner guitar too haha.... for acoustic, there are a few shapes juz like electric having LPs, strats, teles and etc... there are dreadnought, grand acoustic n etc wit cutaways n non-cutaways n wat not... if ur not goin to do gigs and all, it's better to go for non-cutaways a.k.a full body as they will sound nicer compared to those wit cutaways, but many prefer those wit cutaways due to the better outlook... erm... not all guitars hav truss rods tho.. maybe only those higher priced guitar has it... my acoustic doesn't has it... it's cheap anyway... the ever "famous" pyramid brand lol... kinda regret buying it.. the paint on the fretboard is coming off, bought it when i was still a noob... but, if u start on those cheap cheap guitars which are harder to play, u'll find it easier to play those better ones due to the "training" u "received" from the cheap guitars... yea, in western country, low end guitars are middle range here n middle range guitars in western r high end here... look at taylor, costing 2k in western country but rm6/7 k here
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KHS
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Nov 4 2007, 08:48 AM
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the pyramid doesn't have a truss rod? how come mine has a hexagonal screw at the inside of the sound hole? looks like a truss rod to me..
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 4 2007, 10:27 AM
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maybe im going for stagg SW-203,i check with one of the members here who is selling this brand in garage sale,it cost me rm250(guitar)+rm40(bag)ok eh??
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natchi
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Nov 4 2007, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(KHS @ Nov 4 2007, 08:48 AM) the pyramid doesn't have a truss rod? how come mine has a hexagonal screw at the inside of the sound hole? looks like a truss rod to me.. oo, i mean the one u can see at the headstock.... mine has that screw inside the sound hole too... but i don think it's adjustable... can it?? if u tell me it can be adjusted, then i learn somethin new today...  it's good learnin new stuffs...
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Mr. Z
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Nov 4 2007, 04:10 PM
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Natchi: yes i do believe the truss rod is adjustable, but do be careful as they might break the neck. U need an allen key for it.
Pathethicsoul: Just check if there is crack anywhere, what gig bag are u using? make sure to get a padded one, coz if u knock ur acoustic hard and leaves a crack its gonna affect the sound.
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 4 2007, 06:23 PM
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okay okay..will make sure
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strinq
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Nov 4 2007, 07:57 PM
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try the martinez acoustic at rhapsody mid valley too. I got one and its good for its price (280 i think). But there's always a pretty large difference in quality between same models of low end acoustics so its best if u have a friend going along with u to help u try it out.
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KHS
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Nov 4 2007, 08:21 PM
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yea, acoustic truss rod are adjusted inside the sound hole whereas electric ones are usually at the headstock... i don't think there are acoustics without truss rods right? the tension of the springs are very high..
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Mr. Z
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Nov 4 2007, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(strinq @ Nov 4 2007, 07:57 PM) try the martinez acoustic at rhapsody mid valley too. I got one and its good for its price (280 i think). But there's always a pretty large difference in quality between same models of low end acoustics so its best if u have a friend going along with u to help u try it out. I tried the ovation copy, and to my surprise, the sound of the guitar is quite good unplugged.. not to mention the neck feels comfortable as well..
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natchi
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Nov 4 2007, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(Mr. Z @ Nov 4 2007, 04:10 PM) Natchi: yes i do believe the truss rod is adjustable, but do be careful as they might break the neck. U need an allen key for it. QUOTE(KHS @ Nov 4 2007, 08:21 PM) yea, acoustic truss rod are adjusted inside the sound hole whereas electric ones are usually at the headstock... i don't think there are acoustics without truss rods right? the tension of the springs are very high.. arr... i see, i din know that acoustic's truss rod are adjusted inside the sound hole.. silly me  i did learn smth new today
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 4 2007, 11:50 PM
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well juz now i went to hav a survey at mahogany in amcorp.i told the person there to find a good one for me since he knows so much about guitar around my budget.he said he will call me in a few days,so most probably my problem is done and i maybe going for classes at there
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strinq
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Nov 5 2007, 12:09 AM
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mahogany... do ask us for opinions and don't jump at the first suggestion they make, they have a bad rep...
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SweetTooth
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Nov 5 2007, 12:16 AM
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yes, m*h*g*ny. super conjob.
which power chord do you guys usually use? the "small" one or the "big" one? small one being the 1st and 3rd and big one being the 1st,3rd and the added 5th octave.
i almost never use the big ones nowadays, unless i'm letting it ring or something
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Mr. Z
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Nov 5 2007, 12:25 AM
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hmm swet tooth, i tot power chords are usually the root and 5ths?
PathethicSoul: I heard many bad rumors about mahogany in amcorp from many forumers. Maybe u wanna try going to shops like bentley, doremi and woh fatt?
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SweetTooth
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Nov 5 2007, 12:45 AM
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^ EH what am i saying  sorry my bad. thanks for correcting me  i have 0 theory knowledge haha i meant the 1st, 5th and the octave
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 5 2007, 02:28 PM
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owh okay..when i know wat he's gonna offer i will ask for u guys opinion here aite
Added on November 5, 2007, 2:37 pmmay i know why they hav a bad reputation ??
This post has been edited by -PatheticSoul-: Nov 5 2007, 02:37 PM
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SweetTooth
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Nov 5 2007, 03:28 PM
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m*h*g*ny ? they rip people off like nobody's business. and also if you want to take any sort of classes from them, you HAVE to buy something from them first. then they'll pressure you to "upgrade" your equipment to something better.
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 5 2007, 04:22 PM
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aiyer..baru ingat problem solve..maybe tomorrow i go and giv a visit to yamaha in IOI or mid..T__T
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Mr. Z
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Nov 5 2007, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(SweetTooth @ Nov 5 2007, 12:45 AM) ^ EH what am i saying  sorry my bad. thanks for correcting me  i have 0 theory knowledge haha i meant the 1st, 5th and the octave Lol, all of us are learning here, so must share share ma.. QUOTE(-PatheticSoul- @ Nov 5 2007, 04:22 PM) aiyer..baru ingat problem solve..maybe tomorrow i go and giv a visit to yamaha in IOI or mid..T__T Maybe u can go down to jalan ipoh and check out doremi, good service and budgeted price for samicks.. I know their staff there and they give excellent service .. Their price range are mostly for players with tight budget.
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 6 2007, 01:09 PM
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jalan ipoh??can giv more details..yeah maybe i can giv a visit..
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Mr. Z
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Nov 6 2007, 01:35 PM
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If u are taking a public transport, get to the monorail and stop at the chowkit station, once u get off u ll see a shell nearby.. its across the road, direct opposite of shell.. It normally closes after 5pm and i think doesnt opens on sunday as well... Do share with us if u find any particular model to ur liking..
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 6 2007, 01:50 PM
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wokay wokay..today too late edi wanna go..
i was wondering f210 how much??the neck can adjust?
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melthq
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Nov 6 2007, 06:29 PM
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is it the wood or the strings that affects the volume of an acoustic guitar?..
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 6 2007, 06:33 PM
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i'll guess u need to wait for the pros to answer you ^^
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SweetTooth
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Nov 6 2007, 06:57 PM
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well thicker strings produce louder sounds. i'm sure wood plays a big part too. wood definitely plays a big part in resonance, sound quality etc
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Mr. Z
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Nov 6 2007, 08:07 PM
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IMO, wood is the biggest component in producing sound.. a wood that dun resonate well cant produce loud volume.. try comparing a cheap acoustic and a mid range one, even if they use the same string, on top of tonal difference, the volume differs greatly..
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melthq
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Nov 7 2007, 01:40 AM
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so which type of wood is good.. any ideas?
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quarantined
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Nov 7 2007, 11:12 AM
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f210 should be about a hundred less than the f310. I'm not sure what's the differences though, they look the same, maybe different woods or sizes. Yeah it does have a truss rod, like most acoustics.
Just FYI I recently put in a new set of 011 strings in my f310 and it sounds really nice. I used to put in 09s and 010s because I can't take the high tension of higher gauge strings back then and it really doesn't sound as nice. Gotta work out the fingers though, for starters 011-012 are really hard on the fingers.
Something that bugged me of the f-310 is the slim fretboard they have. Apparently it is good for younger people or people with smaller hands. To me it makes it a bit harder to form chords and doing bends. The neck is a slightly V shaped neck(I'm not sure all of them are) that doesn't really suit me as well. It's personal preferences ler you gotta try it out yourself, and remember, any guitars at this price point are going to have some defects. But I gotta say among the budget guitars that I've tried, this one looks, feels and sounds the best.
Anyway, good luck getting your first guitar!
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GodsLove
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Nov 7 2007, 12:05 PM
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You should check out J&D guitars at Harmony Music..not bad for the price range...
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 7 2007, 04:03 PM
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hm..is HOMFA a gud brand??
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opfish
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Nov 7 2007, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(-PatheticSoul- @ Nov 7 2007, 04:03 PM) hm..is HOMFA a gud brand?? its HOFMA dude. check either lelong.com.my or ebay m'sia i can't remember, somebody is selling it. looks like a good & affordable guitar.
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TS-PatheticSoul-
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Nov 7 2007, 04:44 PM
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lol..sorry wrong..juz checking if itz gud..
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