Yeah its painful and it left a red mark on my hands and legs
I hope he dont do that when he's grown up, some dogs are known to continue that way even adult

Yeah i'm exposing him to children more now adays, and also people, dont want him to go all over people when he is excited

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Added on April 1, 2008, 2:21 pmMind to share what are costs involve and why is it an expensive sport?
Comformation show virgin here


This post has been edited by ^Hobbes^: Apr 1 2008, 02:21 PM

Wow you're at final year already? So classes must've been hectic huh?

I don't think I'm gonna be back on track anytime soon. I'll be here for more than a year. If I like it here, I might stay longer. I'm hoping to bring my dog to Vietnam, but there are concerns about it so I didn't (Vietnamese eat dogs, lacking of pet health services, lacking of good pet food for sale etc)

This post has been edited by grhunter: Apr 2 2008, 11:17 AM

Maybe...My Dog was from Barcasia Kennel in Western Australia, while the b**** was from Dancingate Kennel. Barcasia isnt operating any more while dancingate is by this VERY old lady..i called her to ask her whether she had any more puppies. In the end decided not to because wasnt sure of the quality of her puppies.
I guess you can bring in a 5 month old puppy but i think you probably have to pay more for it. i am paying 1500 AUD for a puppy which the breeder say is the best of the litter..but ..this kind of things hard to say. If you buy them from breeders in Aussy..at 2 months old its on average 900 AUD..i am paying 1500 because of the extra boarding and Vaccinations/Microchip because the puppy has to be 3 months old before it can be exported to Malaysia. Flight arranged by Dogtainers cost me AUD 1195..so all in AUD2695.

One problem you might face when you want to import a puppy is the barrage of questions you might get from the breeder as they are usually very suspicious of owners in Asian countries.Some of them want phone interviews etc etc * SUPER Troublesome*
A lot of them wants to desex the puppy before sending it over to Asia due to the reputation of puppy mills here.

I am curious why you want a working line golden. I know they are usually smaller in size and have less feathering..Do you know if they have a significantly different temperament?

Btw do you know if there are any puppy training classes in JB since you were involved in MKA events? Am able to teach basic commands..but anything beyond that i cant really do..will be good if there are such classes

wah! dog-eating country ah.....

yeah, assignment n classes really driving me kinda crazy....i hope to graduate soon and start earning...

Thanks for the advice!
He has learn all the basics already but I am not confident to take the CGC exam yet.
His heel work is quite terrible and he likes to run school halfway during the sit stay command.

ya...must admit tis kind of dog very smart but too friendly ler...
duno how to find out who are nice n bad(i mean thieves)...it treats every ppl oso nice then will feel sad if somebody stole him...
like my frn one,no barking at all!!but i duno la coz my little son not tis type...just my opinion...pls share!

Hunter used to be a really picker eater, hence I've changed many brands over the years - started off with Eukanuba, then Pro plan, then Science Diet, Canidae, etc.

Are you talking about Royal Canine? Hunter loved Royal Canine, but once when he was eating he actually choked. He had problem breathing (panicked, eyes turned white) - we suspect the food actually went through his nose (the pellets many years back for large breed was small, I'm not sure if it's still the same today). We were so scared and I had to do "first aid" to dislodge the blockage. He turned out fine, but it did scared the hell out of us.

On a good note though, I did hear that Royal Canine is a good brand. I'm feeding my 3 dogs Eukanuba large breed now, because Sheriff is now a picky eater instead. It's also cheaper than other reputable brands on the market.

To prepare your dog for a conformation show, you need to condition your dog (in terms of food, exercise etc). Then there's things to invest such as a crate, show leash, combs, scissors, vitamins, shampoo, conditioner, grooming powder etc. If you want to get even more serious, then things like blower, grooming table etc are a necessity. Your dog should have good temperament and good body structure (this can be achieved from good lines, proper conditioning and exercise) not to mentioned well-trained, plus you must know how to stack your dog and handle him well enough to show his best attributes in the ring.

The dog show itself is usually hours of long wait before you actually get a chance to get into the ring with your dog, only to appear for mere minutes. The golden retriever category is very competitive, with many breeders in the ring showcasing dogs that imported overseas or bred from champion sires and dams. The whole process, I find is very taxing (in terms of money, time and energy) on the owners and dogs.

I am sure many dog enthusiasts will enjoy this sport (plus I do think it's important to showcase and give recognition to dogs that are best representations of the breeds), but I personally find it more rewarding in obedience competitions which focuses on brains instead of brawns - something that all dogs can enjoy, be it mongrels or pedigrees, puppies or old dogs.

Conformation shows are certainly not my cup of tea, but hey, if you have a chance to enter your dog for a conformation show, you should, just for fun. I mean, it's fun to get some experience in it - who knows you may come to like it? You can enter the puppy category - when I entered last time there was only 2 entries for that category. It's less stressful, plus no one will really blame you if your dog goes beserk in the ring, heh heh.

TTY81,

1.5k AUD is not a bad deal at all if it's the first pick of the litter. Did you personally went to Australia to see the puppy? Yea I've heard of potential buyers going through vigorous screening process from the breeders, but I guess that's understandable and is actually a good thing, it shows how much the breeders care for their puppies. In Malaysia the scene is much different with many local breeders - if you got the cash, you get the puppy, no questions asked.

Agree with you that the working line golden are smaller built and doesn't have much of a thick coat - most people will not find them as attractive as the show line goldens with thick luscious coat and beautiful featherings. Golden retrievers were bred originally as gundogs but the breeding over the years for show purposes led them to have a heavier built, larger head and shorter legs - a show line golden retriever today probably can't perform in the field well with it's structure. From what I read, the working golden is leaner, more muscular and have longer legs which allow them to move about and do the job they were originally bred to do. They are also intelligent and have very high energy, which makes them perfect for training. I'd love to own one of the working line goldens and put it to obedience work. That'd be a great delight! I told this to some local breeders but it was being frowned upon But I doubt that will happen anytime soon as I've already got 3 dogs, plus I'm not in Malaysia at the moment.

As for training classes down at JB, sorry, can't help you there, I do not know of any dog training classes that area. Maybe you can try asking in the puppy.com forum?

Its not a bad deal if its Really the pick of the litter LOL..
didnt have time to fly over to Aussy..so put my faith in the breeder

Hmm could you kindly PM me your breeders contact?
i got a friend looking for a good quality locally bred GR and i dont have any such contacts around..

I guess for breeders looks are important and since they are mostly running it like a business , dont think they can appreciate the qualities of a working line GR.

Ah thanks, it seems you are a veteran in conformation show and obedience training
I've gained aplenty from your valuable insights

Also i do agree that brains > brawns, but then again different people different taste

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Added on April 3, 2008, 8:52 amThe gr's are uber friendly
That is why i love the breed, apart from that they are very much people oriented breed, perfect as a pet
Take my Barney for example, he doesnt eat if i'm not near his bowl, he doesnt play his toys if i'm not playing and he'd get moody if he doesnt sees me.
Even if i walked out the room he'd cry and sit near the door.
Havent seen other breeds that are so people oriented.

If you are looking for a guard dog, the GR isnt for you, but if you are looking for a perfect friend and your friend would love them as much as you do, then you cant go wrong with a GR.

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Added on April 3, 2008, 8:54 amPerhaps sharing it here as well ?
I'm one of the unfortunate ones who need to buy from petshops, i cant locate a proper breeder.
If there is any in Msia, we might as well help them and promote them abit.
At least people get a chance to buy from a proper breeder instead of halfcut breeders who claimed to love the dogs but knows nothing much more than the buyer and sometimes the buyers seems to know more than these so called breeders


This post has been edited by ^Hobbes^: Apr 3 2008, 08:54 AM

last time i also bought my furkids with breeder ler...deal wt them more nicer than petshop!
but i bought at seremban la...few types of dog he also can provide!
if u guys interested i can ask for u all!

Oh seremban also ?
Perhaps same with grhunter?
Cuz grhunter got his from seremban as well if i'm not mistaken
No i've already got mine, perhaps share the breeders contact here so that people can go to them instead?

umm...the breeder is from sikamat,seremban.

I got Sheriff from KL, not Seremban.

My first dog Hunter was bought from Pet shop, after getting him, I had to track down his history by searching online to get an idea of his background. He was a scrawny, average looking puppy when we first got him. I haven't got a clue how to pick a puppy back then so I just picked the active one. When he grew up he looks totally different and I am really surprised by how much (in terms of look and maturity) he've changed.

Sheriff was bought from a breeder and what I liked about it was I get to first meet both his parents and grandpa to get an look at their coat colour, feathering, body structure and temperament. Seeing the his relatives gave me a very good idea on how Sheriff will eventually look like.

Guys I don't have my breeder's direct contact number with me here, but here's his link: www.clangan.com.my. This guy knows his stuff, breeds quality GRs and what I liked best is he cares a lot for his dogs. Sheriff grew up into a strong and handsome dog without any health problems at all, while Hunter grew up having occasional minor problems like allergy, skin problems etc.

PS: Sheriff's grandpa is Shadow, dad is Wind and mom is Aruba. I think his face looks a lot like his dad.

Generally GRs are not the ideal guard dogs. Hunter is a very protective guard dog while Sheriff is hopeless (Hunter barks out of courage, Sheriff barks out of fear!). But I do agree, all GRs crave for their owner's attention. Definitely not the breed for busy people.

yup!totally agree wt grhunter!
all dogs must give them tons,tons of love ler...hehe!

Oh ..Clangan...
Yea heard of him before...
His dogs all look good on his websites definitely..i did email him before for more info ..but he told me his puppies were all being sent to east malaysia lol..

But his dogs hae very very long feathering..wonder how he does it ..coz..even on australian sites their dogs dont have such feathering..wonder if its the US/UK Breed variation

it seem this thread back to alive..


Goldie just know command like sit, down, stay...
sometimes mix up both.. ask sit she down..
i heard she been well trained by the previous owner..
but she dont seem like been trained..

hi guys, i am new here.
I got GT, but very stupid.

aih, lazy...what he want is eat. don't know how to train~