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Taylor’s U wrong to lay off academic staff based on high salaries, says court

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ies-says-court/

PETALING JAYA: A decision by Taylor’s University to declare two associate professors surplus to requirements five years ago based on their five-figure salaries was unfair, discriminatory and biased, the Industrial Court has ruled.

In awarding Tam Shey May and Wong Ching Lee a combined total of RM533,222, court chairman Eswary Maree said the criteria used by the university to select staff for retrenchment should be consistent with its existing employment policies and practices.

“These criteria should not be arbitrary but should align with the formal policies of the organisation.

“Surely, the company in the present case does not have a policy that includes targeting employees for retrenchment or victimising them merely because of their higher salaries,” she said in an award handed down on June 27.

Eswary noted the two claimants were the highest earners in the health and medical sciences faculty’s Bachelor of Biotechnology programme, which had 10 academic staff in total.

Borrowing words from fellow chairman Andersen Ong in a different award, she said the practice was akin to saying that “a tree that grows too fast is (to be) cut down first”.

“Such an action is grossly unjust and inequitable because the high salaries were granted by the (university’s) own decision,” she said.

Eswary also said such a practice disproportionately affects employees who have dedicated more time and effort to their employment.

She said these individuals may have acquired valuable skills and experience over the years, and contributed significantly to the university’s success.

“As such, targeting them based solely on their salaries overlooks their contributions and may undervalue their loyalty and dedication.

“Furthermore, it could perpetuate age discrimination, as older employees tend to have higher salaries due to their tenure and experience,” the award read.

Tam joined the university as a lecturer in 2012, and rose to the rank of associate professor. She drew a monthly salary of RM13,372, before being retrenched on Dec 31, 2019, purportedly on grounds of redundancy.

Although she signed off on her redundancy letter, Tam said she also sought justification for her dismissal in three appeal letters.

She said there was no basis for her redundancy as both the faculty and its school of biosciences were still in operation. She said she was also given several promotions and held additional responsibilities throughout her employment.

Tam also challenged her termination from employment, saying she was still teaching, doing research and carrying out her administrative and service functions at the time she received her redundancy notice.

Wong, joined Taylor’s in 2011 and was promoted to associate professor, drawing a salary of RM14,400 a month. She was retrenched, purportedly on grounds of redundancy, in 2019.

She too disputed her alleged redundancy, saying her duties continued to exist and were taken over by others.

Wong said the decision to dismiss her was arbitrary, capricious, selective and contrary to all notions of equity and good conscience and amounted to an unfair labour practice.

In its defence, Taylor’s said the three schools in the faculty were suffering financial losses, with the school of biosciences most badly hit, mainly due to the rising costs and lower enrolment.

“This school has been experiencing losses since 2014, which increased exponentially until 2019. Within this school, the Bachelor of Biotechnology programme was the least profitable mainly due to the stagnant student population and high-cost expenditure incurred,” Taylor’s claimed.

Taylor’s said prompt action had to be taken as the performance of the bachelor of biotechnology programme affects the school of biosciences and ultimately the university itself.

“The (faculty) decided that it could no longer sustain employees with a very high salary due to the financial position of the school and the programme itself,” it said.

Taylor’s said the cost savings from terminating higher-earning academic staff would be able to reduce cost more significantly, leading to fewer staff being released.

Eswary ruled that on the totality of the evidence, the terminations of Tam and Wong from employment were without just cause or excuse. She said Taylor’s had failed to prove on a balance of probabilities that the retrenchments had been done in good faith.

“The selection of the claimants for retrenchment due to redundancy cannot be viewed as showing fair labour practices,” she said.

Eswary did not award the claimants compensation in lieu of reinstatement as Tam had received RM104,970 and Lee RM127,296 in the form of retrenchment benefits, paid at the rate of one month’s salary for each year of service.

She, however, ordered Taylor’s to pay Tam back wages of RM256,742, equivalent to 24 months’ salary but subject to a 20% deduction for post-dismissal earnings.

Wong was awarded RM276,480 on the same basis.

The claimants were represented by VK Raj, while Dharmen Sivalingam and Leenalochana Malaipan appeared for the university.


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Wow this is start of abuse dy.

Already sign redundancy agreement and maybe compensated? still sue.... gosh
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Wew high pay

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Dumb uni don't have ppl from business admin field that will tell you that you need to be careful of the reason for retrenchment?

Didn't aware private uni also operate like some chinaman business, always ignoring proper advise and just do as they like then pikachoo when in trouble.
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Oredi in jewtubes talking about you sending your kids to study obsolete topics, when they come out only to be replaced by ai and rendered redundant...


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“As such, targeting them based solely on their salaries overlooks their contributions and may undervalue their loyalty and dedication."


Another living example of never stay loyal to a company?
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jul 5 2024, 03:56 PM)
Private Uni salary is lower than i thought
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Fees is high, but staff salary is low
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Dari nak jimat sikit now need to pay more...

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Their salary is lower than 99% of /ktards and already considered as highest paid there.

Kesian.
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jul 5 2024, 03:56 PM)
Private Uni salary is lower than i thought
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you got angmo pay slip...

angmo hello how are you, rightaway pay slip 5 digit.

local no matter how good your credential is, start from min pay.
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College is a hoax. Paying 5-10k per semester is a scam.
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Jul 5 2024, 03:34 PM)
Wow this is start of abuse dy.

Already sign redundancy agreement and maybe compensated? still sue.... gosh
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How do u know she is not forced to sign it? Sign it also why cannot sue when u came to know tat u being discriminated?


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Academicians will lose more jobs.
More people choose gig economy and market for tertiary education shrinks as the educated don't want to have kids.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jul 5 2024, 04:07 PM)
Academicians will lose more jobs.
More people choose gig economy and market for tertiary education shrinks as the educated don't want to have kids.
Let AI educate the classes
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nah, AI not as smart. AI is like bodoh kids, getting info from the internet here and there, info overload and present shit stuff.

if you are in human service job, you are safe

human service= teaching, hospitality, child care, elderly care, home care service, plumber, electricians, etc
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Lol, associate prof but salary only 13-15k? Jeez, damn low for their academic level

Some of my team members easily making 15k-20k a month on a good month. And they are only in their early 30s

Times have changed. Nowadays if you can command ppl respect with your knowledge and PR skills, u can make a shit ton of money. No need study so much.

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associate prof salary kinda low..
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 5 2024, 03:36 PM)
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associate professor, drawing a salary of RM14,400 a month

you should see some yesman useless HOD punya celery is way more than that


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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jul 5 2024, 04:10 PM)
Lol, associate prof but salary only 13-15k? Jeez, damn low for their academic level

Some of my team members easily making 15k-20k a month on a good month. And they are only in their early 30s

Times have changed. Nowadays if you can command ppl respect with your knowledge and PR skills, u can make a shit ton of money. No need study so much.
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yes this consider very low salary...

now all the stupid kid like tictoker, you tuber , more that this...
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jul 5 2024, 04:21 PM)
associate professor, drawing a salary of RM14,400 a month

you should see some yesman useless HOD punya celery is way more than that
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I tau.

Working in a MNC. Saw a senior manager Yes man all the way, throw away responsibility to kuli. Got promoted

KEK

Then again thr management also run by seisohais

O well

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I think an average handy man can make that much
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 5 2024, 04:24 PM)
I tau.

Working in a MNC. Saw a senior manager Yes man all the way, throw away responsibility to kuli. Got promoted

KEK

Then again thr management also run by seisohais

O well
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those yesman really ruined the co. in the long run

i know this one startup co also got so many yesman taichi kaki bodek inside

just a matter of time when investor stop giving em face then you should know what will happened next


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jul 5 2024, 04:26 PM)
those yesman really ruined the co. in the long run

i know this one startup co also got so many yesman taichi kaki bodek inside

just a matter of time when investor stop giving em face then you should know what will happened next
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Sadge.


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They found out the Bangladeshi guard can do jobs of academinc staff and willing to do it for RM3000/month, so sack the high paying staff?

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Taylor Hr and lauya eat vegetarian one ah ?
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1) Sohai HR no give advice.
2) Mgmt purposely do it.

Pick one.
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Easier to just throw some dirt on the employee and terminate them for misconduct
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Jul 5 2024, 03:34 PM)
Wow this is start of abuse dy.

Already sign redundancy agreement and maybe compensated? still sue.... gosh
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She found evidence that it wasn't redundancy. All her roles are still there apparently. Baca betul2.

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She said there was no basis for her redundancy as both the faculty and its school of biosciences were still in operation.

Tam also challenged her termination from employment, saying she was still teaching, doing research and carrying out her administrative and service functions at the time she received her redundancy notice.

She too disputed her alleged redundancy, saying her duties continued to exist and were taken over by others.

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i not sure the hr or the boss bodo

saying u retrench someone bcoz they will bring significant cost savings u will almost certainly lose

get some real money and hire pros je lah
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My time before in MNC manufacturing also retrenched people by salary. Not redundant either all leftover work remaining colleagues yang kena pick up the slacks.
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kesian. not even ktards standard of 20k and already being fired.
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Jul 5 2024, 05:16 PM)
She found evidence that it wasn't redundancy. All her roles are still there apparently. Baca betul2.
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Doesnt matter, she cannot bring profit and causes the faculty to go down the drain since 2014, so retrenchment wording u happier? rofl
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Over here, always wrong is employer.

Even with contract, Labour Office twist until Employer always wrong.

How to employ locals...dont blame Employers.

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 5 2024, 05:19 PM)
kesian. not even ktards standard of 20k and already being fired.
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Err, actually Im kind of surprise by the top earner from a college of that pedigree.
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QUOTE(NautilusBW @ Jul 5 2024, 05:23 PM)
Over here, always wrong is employer.

Even with contract, Labour Office twist until Employer always wrong.

How to employ locals...dont blame Employers.
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u must have the knowledge of the law and how it is being applied here

if u dunno and do what u like, u will almost certainly lose
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Err, actually Im kind of surprise by the top earner from a college of that pedigree.
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not surprised.
better reputable company does not translate to higher salary.
sometimes small scale private company offers better work life balance and salary.
u can work in a company that the whole world knows but salary got beaten by a small local company.
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jul 5 2024, 05:26 PM)
u must have the knowledge of the law and how it is being applied here

if u dunno and do what u like, u will almost certainly lose
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HR go how many seminar or training, also does not matter

They will support worker no matter what....proven many times

But end up who lose? The worker la....once a rat, no one will employ jo.

Court cases for labour act will go into a system, the person's name blacklist as rat jo

Many company do this.
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QUOTE(NautilusBW @ Jul 5 2024, 05:29 PM)
HR go how many seminar or training, also does not matter

They will support worker no matter what....proven many times

But end up who lose? The worker la....once a rat, no one will employ jo.

Court cases for labour act will go into a system, the person's name blacklist as rat jo

Many company do this.
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i am an employer and i have won many cases before. bcoz i smart enough to do all proper procedures with evidence before firing

like i say, if u dunno what u r doing, u will surely lose
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Not surprised. I used to work there.
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College fees charge so high, but pays peanuts and arbitrary cut staff some more.
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jul 5 2024, 05:33 PM)
Not surprised. I used to work there.
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how is it there?

peanut? angmo get paid higher?

why did you leave?
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Taylor ni tpt samseng ke? awal tahun bukan pamous case Guard bodyslam Ah Beng, Now pulak feel charitable pay ppl salary beratus ribu. whats next?
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Jul 5 2024, 05:22 PM)
Doesnt matter, she cannot bring profit and causes the faculty to go down the drain since 2014, so retrenchment wording u happier? rofl
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Tell that to the legal system, not me. I'm just pointing out how she won the case due to legal definitions as reported. Wanna do shit things, pandai2 la.

See below.

QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jul 5 2024, 05:26 PM)
u must have the knowledge of the law and how it is being applied here

if u dunno and do what u like, u will almost certainly lose
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jul 5 2024, 05:31 PM)
i am an employer and i have won many cases before. bcoz i smart enough to do all proper procedures with evidence before firing

like i say, if u dunno what u r doing, u will surely lose
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Another living example of never stay loyal to a company?
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Only idiots stay loyal to company
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jul 5 2024, 03:56 PM)
Private Uni salary is lower than i thought
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Previously I tried applying for lecturer in a private uni, got shocked on how low their budget was
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Err, actually Im kind of surprise by the top earner from a college of that pedigree.
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Me too. I know some university that dont even pay more than 10K ..for Assoc Prof
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Jul 5 2024, 03:34 PM)
Wow this is start of abuse dy.

Already sign redundancy agreement and maybe compensated? still sue.... gosh
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Agreement doesn't mean you waive your rights and can go against the law.

Same for unfair or constructive dismissal. Even if you resign you can still claim constructive dismissal because you are forced to resign. E.g if you were transferred from KL to kelantan on purpose with malicious intention to force you to resign and the company can't prove they transfer you to kelantan for a bloody good reason.
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QUOTE(LDP @ Jul 5 2024, 05:52 PM)
Me too. I know some university that dont even pay more than 10K ..for Assoc Prof
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Kesian assof prof not even 10k
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jul 5 2024, 06:10 PM)
Kesian assof prof not even 10k
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QUOTE(tometoto @ Jul 5 2024, 04:21 PM)
yes this consider very low salary...

now all the stupid kid like tictoker, you tuber , more that this...
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I personally know a tiktoker who just became famous in the past 3 years, making 30-40k a month now.
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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 5 2024, 05:37 PM)
how is it there?

peanut? angmo get paid higher?

why did you leave?
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I left cos a new manager was promoted and he started trying his best to make life difficult for me. For example:
1) Micromanaging me and not other colleagues
2) Interviewing my students behind my back to try and see if I had any flaws in my classes or if I cut corners/cancelled classes
3) Interviewed the lecturers reporting to me to try and find fault with my management of them
4) Asking me for daily reports on what I am doing and working on to “check” if I am utilising my time properly
5) Asked me for proof that my son’s is really hospitalised when he landed in the ICU at the age of 3 months

Pundek fella did this despite the fact that I have always been one of the highest performers in the department.

Honestly I am glad he did this and forced me to leave cos now I am making 3x more than what they were paying me.

Oya pay was crap also

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jul 5 2024, 07:03 PM)
I left cos a new manager was promoted and he started trying his best to make life difficult for me. For example:
1) Micromanaging me and not other colleagues
2) Interviewing my students behind my back to try and see if I had any flaws in my classes or if I cut corners/cancelled classes
3) Interviewed the lecturers reporting to me to try and find fault with my management of them
4) Asking me for daily reports on what I am doing and working on to “check” if I am utilising my time properly
5) Asked me for proof that my son’s is really hospitalised when he landed in the ICU at the age of 3 months

Pundek fella did this despite the fact that I have always been one of the highest performers in the department.

Honestly I am glad he did this and forced me to leave cos now I am making 3x more than what they were paying me.

Oya pay was crap also
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Damn.. Is he still there. Why he's so scared of you that he kept biting you?

You're doing so well now. Congrats 🙂

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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jul 5 2024, 05:17 PM)
i not sure the hr or the boss bodo

saying u retrench someone bcoz they will bring significant cost savings u will almost certainly lose

get some real money and hire pros je lah
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Maybe the HR already kena retrench before this lol. Deswai left bos bodo suka hati retrench je.
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jul 5 2024, 04:10 PM)
Lol, associate prof but salary only 13-15k? Jeez, damn low for their academic level

Some of my team members easily making 15k-20k a month on a good month. And they are only in their early 30s

Times have changed. Nowadays if you can command ppl respect with your knowledge and PR skills, u can make a shit ton of money. No need study so much.
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should encourage more people to sell insurance or jadi influencer eh whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Jul 5 2024, 04:10 PM)
Lol, associate prof but salary only 13-15k? Jeez, damn low for their academic level

Some of my team members easily making 15k-20k a month on a good month. And they are only in their early 30s

Times have changed. Nowadays if you can command ppl respect with your knowledge and PR skills, u can make a shit ton of money. No need study so much.
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Sexy Sarah wants to command respect in /k forum but 404 reply. PR skills even more tak payah.



Dr Jan Itor
post Jul 5 2024, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 5 2024, 07:53 PM)
Damn.. Is he still there. Why he's so scared of you that he kept biting you?

You're doing so well now. Congrats 🙂
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He is still there. I believe that they wanted me out cos they wanted to use my salary to hire 2 other people to replace me which they eventually did.

End of the day the “a lot” was a mere RM7600 which is quite low.
TSgashout
post Jul 5 2024, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jul 5 2024, 08:19 PM)
He is still there. I believe that they wanted me out cos they wanted to use my salary to hire 2 other people to replace me which they eventually did.

End of the day the “a lot” was a mere RM7600 which is quite low.
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7.6k cut by half. Typical uni procedure. Bodoh style
sexysarah1992
post Jul 5 2024, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 5 2024, 08:19 PM)
Sexy Sarah wants to command respect in /k forum but 404 reply. PR skills even more tak payah.
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Err, no. I dont make any money here.
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post Jul 5 2024, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 5 2024, 03:28 PM)
Taylor’s U wrong to lay off academic staff based on high salaries, says court
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The uni's reason and defense is really bodoh. I'm not a lawyer also know their approach guarantee lose.


focusrite
post Jul 5 2024, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jul 5 2024, 03:56 PM)
Private Uni salary is lower than i thought
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education sector all low
TSgashout
post Jul 6 2024, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 5 2024, 08:43 PM)
The uni's reason and defense is really bodoh. I'm not a lawyer also know their approach guarantee lose.
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Fire highest salaried staff in the department
Hire bodoh HR and now budget 2x of theirs with this compensation
Hire bodoh lawyer as well to defend them

Conclusion of Taytay U: Expensive private uni with stingy mindset.

I'm happy the two sued them and get paid back.
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post Jul 6 2024, 05:31 AM

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best ke masok taylor ni? awek lawa2 ke?

 

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