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TSturnmoil
post Jun 27 2024, 07:42 AM, updated 2y ago

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hi, got a friend age 40 above (45 currently this year) here
his specialty is in programming (mostly on java but not the latest one like with add on hibernate/spring boot etc)
from jan24 this year and still cant find a job and still searching (though many calls for job interview but still can hit any)

want to move on to Dev Ops but don't have skill
want to go to call center for customer service but they don't call back
java skill ? now not so good anymore , memory a bit loss now
must compete with young lings for a job

now searching for java role only or any role that matters
bank call for loan constantly and need repayment , but how to pay , no work no money
even some bank threaten to blacklist him

still hoping for the best although sometimes feel rotten to the core

you guys got some advised?
this old man almost lost it all
i have no more words to advised to him anymore

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TSturnmoil
post Jul 1 2024, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(dewill @ Jun 27 2024, 08:14 AM)
why not do some startup on something.
previous coding skill less applicable after mco and alot Tech firm have starterd retrench IT related job due to over hire previously.
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startup required skill and money, as my friend dont have that anymore


QUOTE(pufferfish @ Jun 27 2024, 08:43 AM)
what about taking less paying jobs? already have family or single? maybe start doing grab or some part time jobs to get by while looking out?
am almost the same with your friend, but started doing frontend stuffs like 4-5 years ago, not solely on java anymore, also doing mostly platform engineering stuffs nowadays

maybe get some certs will help?
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at age 45 , nothing is important anymore, recruiter without a finch toss away his application for a new younger workforce

QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 27 2024, 08:55 AM)
45 and have memory problems liao... should oredi know it's time to take onĀ  some less competitive and less brain usage jobs... like grabfood, ehailing or working some simple grocery or shopping mall work...

java as a programming language also is getting obsolete... used to be free but since oracle took over i think if company using it, there is a license agreement attached to it. Even my company asking to remove java from our system.

Still wanna stay in IT, then go up skill and take up a new skill, IT people should know every 5-10 years should keep relevant in the market and upskill based on demand or left becoming obsolete like dinosaur.

Looking at his commitments and loans , doubt he is able to spend any money and further bleed his savings taking up course which might/might not yield good results for job prospects. Best course of action is get a simple job asap and pay down the loans... and clear off.. then on the side lines go find a job in peace or once debt paid off can think about reskilling.
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while learning a new skill is good but what skill should be learn anyways , his still bleeding in commitments and loans


QUOTE(donald88 @ Jun 27 2024, 09:07 AM)
Need upskilling maybe to another programming language or just change over to management. Java is just a programming language.

The ability to plan, solve problems, think out of the box, manage a team or project effectively are the more important traits that should have been acquired from work experience. Need to project these traits in cv resume and interviews rather than how many programming languages or lines of codes written.
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has put a lot , but with his memory problem, cant hit much, as in hit in interviews not on jobs

QUOTE(timothy817 @ Jun 27 2024, 06:50 PM)
it is happening as a norm not just like IT industry, it is just the same even for fresh graduate of any industry, I would suggest brush up interview skills & practice on presenting yourself, I notice most IT background having problem on that.
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yeah man , a lesson learn to older programmer

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TSturnmoil
post Jul 12 2024, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 1 2024, 08:24 AM)

That's why our neighbour down south past the Causeway has been harping on about reskilling and upskilling.... it's really hard for midlife career changes at the moment, with AI and IT taking over many jobs that people used to fill.
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Jul 5 2024, 08:43 AM)
take up new tech skills. new certifications etc. surely can help.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jul 8 2024, 08:13 AM)
The way I see it, your friend has 2 choices before him:

1. Change with the times: upskill or reskill or train in a non-related but in-demand role, and apply for new job offers
2. Stay put and hope to fight for scraps that may occasionally fall his way, especially since there are fewer and fewer companies that have use for the (outdated) skillset that he possesses.
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yes that is true but what else can i do

QUOTE(babygrand123 @ Jul 2 2024, 12:55 AM)
Nothing to be afraid because many company still hunting for middle age to be fill in IT role! Especially you are full stack developer, devops, sre, cloud and automation engineer plus etc. Why ? They need this group of people because they are more accountability and won't be leaving for short periods if compare to those youngsters

Just keep trying until you hook it up! Never said die just get up and try!!!!
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thanks man for the word up


QUOTE(CyrusWong @ Jul 2 2024, 10:02 AM)
most java job i see now require spring, try to ask him to do some online course see can pickup the skill or not, next try convince employer that what he lack is exposure to master it.
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yeah, most of the time when mention this , the interviewer didnt call back


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post Jul 12 2024, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Grammar Police @ Jul 12 2024, 02:21 PM)
strange, a lot of jobs in malaysia we cant fill people sampai hire indian for 12-18k.... in my company, serious
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well , as my friend said, wait till your 40s and lose a job, then you know
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post Jul 12 2024, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Grammar Police @ Jul 12 2024, 02:51 PM)
our company is filled with >40 but very few in dev.

alot analyst , architect , product owner manager like that tho, automation specialist, release manager like that

but different skillset than dev

there is some overlap in skills tho

so maybe time for him to move on from dev...
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what company is that? can PM me if you dont mind, time to tell my friend about it
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post Jul 23 2024, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(patricktoh @ Jul 13 2024, 11:32 AM)

I beg to differ. I was MSS at the age of 44 (2018 @RM20k/mth) due to UK based MNC closes down its KL software development centre and moves all its 200+ positions to Bangalore.

I managed to find a similar pay job within the 2 months notice period. Practically no unemployment between jobs. If you're skilled with right attitude, you will find a job pretty fast and bounce back.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 13 2024, 11:37 AM)
dont pity
he allowed himself to be outdated.
Programmer (very good 1) still currently the most lucrative/ high demand job

i am dev myself i know.

90% coder are rubbish.
the code they write is work but the logic is stupid and dont scale very well.

Put inside a GPT3.5 Turbo ( the most lousy AI now ), can do better...

But the remaining 10% protege coder totally on another side of story....
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thats right, but with the right attitude (that is around 5% ~ 10% only that have it for overall mass)
how to overcome the competition ? shakehead.gif

QUOTE(ragk @ Jul 15 2024, 01:07 PM)
If he still want to stay relevant in this field in technical path, learn the new technology, else take the fresh grad offer or switch direction, e.g. to non technical role.
As a developer I will feel insecure if I'm working with the same technical skillset for 2 years continuously, tech stack that I use 3 years ago is irrelevant now, what I mean is every 3 years, your friend are lucky to be able secure a job for decades
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well, you can say now .. what about when you are aging later on? i guess this is the only way forward


QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jul 16 2024, 04:42 PM)
45yo so many years in IT line only know JAVA ?

ur friend playing with faiyah man.

never bothered to retrain?
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in older times , faiyah is the only things that matters when you are working
this should be a lesson learn

QUOTE(dudester @ Jul 16 2024, 04:51 PM)
Your friend is in some deep waters.
Jan till now 6 months already what has he done to help himself?
You dont just sit around and wait.
45 already and not management level.
While waiting to get a a real job, start getting some income by doing grab etc.
His best bet is his experience and current skill set, keep looking and begging for jobs. Use direct reference is more effective.
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this is a safe bet solutions , but time for him is running out


to all , thanks for the advised thumbsup.gif
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post Jul 23 2024, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ Jul 22 2024, 05:40 AM)
I'm mid 40 java developer as well.

Working in Europe for last 10 years now. Still quite good demand here, but can't just do POJO, need to know other stuff especially cloud based stuff
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thats the things, to learn new is quite tough for him, but lesson need to be learn and fast

QUOTE(sureshsol @ Jul 22 2024, 11:22 AM)
Looking for new job at this age is a challenge. I recently started looking for new roles and it took me 6 months to get an offer. I am also in your friend's age range.

Here are some of my thoughts.

1. As he has Java experience, he should look out for roles with this requirement. I am not sure how the market is but you can use indeed.com.my to find the number of vacancies with this requirement
2. Engage Head hunters, I initially was reluctant as I have not gotten good response from them but this time I got an offer because of the head hunter.
3. If you create a job profile in foundit.com.my,  you will get a lot of calls from head hunters. I got calls for many roles mostly mid senior roles.
4. Update your resume to ensure they are ATS compliant. You can google some ATS compliant resumes and update yours with the same format.
5. Keep applying every day, lookup the various job portals and apply. Its not easy applying as you should custom you application . Can take up a few hours i.e. create account and fill in the online forms etc  !
6. Track the applications you have made. I created a folder for each application /engagement so I know what I sent as a reference.
7. Keep yourself motivated.  Rejections or on response can be a pain. It was for me.
8. You may have to adjust your asking. But how much to ask? I started with a number I wanted, for each application when engaged by head hunters I specified my number. i then had to adjust downwards to a mor acceptable. It was a process to identify the correct asking salary.
9. As you are unemployed do not lie and say you are. If offered a job they will ask for your current payslip. It will be bad if you cannot offer. There is a lot of discussions about how you should not do this.
As you are desperate you have no choice.
Find a reason you are not employed , company restructuring , account run off, took a break from work do to burnout ( maybe not a good one) but you have to give valid reasons if questioned.
10. I was going to look at the freelance job sites , if I was not offered a job. This might be something that might help. You will have to learn the  whole process on how to bid for jobs. 

11. If you have time learn Kubernetes, this is part of the devops responsibilites. Look up CKA training on Udemy by Mumshad Mannambeth  he explains well and you can get your CKA certification.

12. Knowing Cloud is a must. Azure , AWS,GCP, Alicloud etc choose one with the most openings you see. The tech will need to be in sync with Kubernetes to have a better exposure.Instead of random cloud tech.

13. Emphasize skills and non technical skills like managing incidents, fixing broken processes mentoring .

I wish you friend luck, having financial constrains and looking for job can take a toll on oneself. Will need to be prepared mentally. To top that off you have to learn new stuff. It's really a lot.

As a general advise , keep improving your self. Don't depend on the company you work for to send you for training. Like some of the other comments every 2-3 years must learn something.
If you have about 6 months I would encourage this program it has a wide scope on the current tech stack and might help. The issue is the time can your friend sustain another 6-8 months without salary?

https://42kl.edu.my/
Best of luck to your friend
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thanks for you advised, to say at least you have been none working for 6 months previously, this might be a boost to him


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post Sep 7 2024, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(foochuan @ Aug 27 2024, 05:48 PM)
hi there, I just post a similar question and I discovered your post, may I know is your friend manage to find new job?
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hi
last time i saw him , he still looking for one ..
you got any jobs to offer him? i gladly send the info to him

 

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