Recently chatted with a few model 3 owners, found out that most of them experienced scraping of the bottom due to high bumps or uneven ramps during driving. Can felt it hurt since its new car. sedan owners quite kesian, more prone to flood damage, unideal road conditions damaging car... etc, feel like only can go suv if wan to avoid these external problems as much as possible.

Existing sedan owners, how do live with this experience and will you opt for it again?

most probably not.... not just all the things you mentioned, as I age, suv is easier to get in and out. lol

No. I prefer my SUVs and if I feel the need for speed, my coupe.

Wife can waft in her sedan.

Sedan is worthless. Can't carry much. Might as well buy a sports hatchback instead.

These days mostly opt for SUV or MPV. Even trucks also useless for long items from IKEA.

suv is carefree. sedan manja more

Maybe a car thats similar to toyota crown body type would scratch the itch for both sedans and suvs, saw one in penang the other day, hnghhhhhh

like how

if you can feel hurt because a piece of metal being scratch.
You are just too cheap.

Car is disposable.

Yes, will choose again.

The problem is the lack of new sedan model. All most new model are SUV since petrol still cheap.

up moutain down sea
parking curb and so on

A big yes. Better driving experience, better efficiency, less bumpy, less body roll, lighter and sleeker. Just drive slowly over high bumps.

This post has been edited by HotshotS: Jun 22 2024, 02:13 PM

hatchback or crossover will be my next car

where is the poll?

All the aspects you mentioned on bottom of vehicle scraping bumps or ramps and flood damage, throughout my 25+ years driving sedans I have not experienced it before. Scrapping of bottom of vehicle only happens if the car is lowered to the ground mostly modified ones. A friend with modified Honda which has low ground clearance has to drive the car not only very slowly when going over speed bumps but positioning the car sideways instead of straight to prevent the bump from scraping the bottom of the car.

As for floods, any car can be affected including SUV if the water is high enough.

Back to the question, I have no problem considering another new sedan if it appeals to me. As a matter of fact I have always favoured sedan over SUV mainly for better handling and drivability being lower to the ground, and a boot to store things unlike hatchbacks.

We recently got a new Nissan Almera sedan, driven by my dad. For my next car, the upcoming Nissan Kicks is at the top of the shortlist, not because it's an SUV but mainly for the hybrid drivetrain.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Jun 22 2024, 03:19 PM

By the way, what vehicle is it when you mentioned "model 3"?

Tesla Model 3

Can't say that as a blanket statement. Some take great pride in keeping their cars pristine and as new. Concours competitions are created for this category of car lovers. Even a speck of dust would send them into a frothing foaming epileptic fit....

If my own choice, sedan over SUV 100%

if really personal choice, 2 door coupe

that is still cheap.

1. Car that drive on the road are not collectible. is just a Tools

2. if you are collecting car as collectible, put it indoor, seal it.


no matter what. both are still piece of metal.

imagine, would you become too attached to Myvi? no. Why? Myvi is too cheap.
then why would you still become too attached to certail car model? Price higher.

Your attention/emotion only worth certain value depend how attached/attracted to material thing.

when the value can be easily measured, that is cheap.

I do disagree with your statement regarding people being cheap if they grow attached to their cars though, people are capable of loving and treating their cars similar to family.

Abit anecdotal, but my family just welcomed a new myvi into the household, I personally spent around 2 thousand to do coating, buy special car care stuff for it. It is a waste of money objectively, and a true 'cheap' person would never go this far to keep it pristine as much as possible.

Even if cars are just mere tools to go from A to B, they are family to some, and many grow attached to it regardless of its material price.

This post has been edited by Godsweirdson: Jun 22 2024, 06:41 PM

i can sense your inkambing type R in the future

enuff said.
car similar to family.....


i never too attached to material thingy....

as long as you have earning power.
material thing come and goes. they are just a tool for me.

My family cannot be value the same as any material thing.
You really need to grow up/value up

Current 130mm low ground clearance fat heavy sedan never have any problem.

Previous old 170mm++ Corolla got bottom scrapped all the time.

Spring stiffness make huge contribution.

Best balance is cross-country wagon. Sadly it never gets popular

Not all SUVs are made equally. 90% fall into category 4 and 5.

1) Full diff lock AWD/4WD
2) Properly designed AWD for snow + mild off road
3) AWD for asphalt road performance
4) City SUV AWD just to fill paper spec
5) City FWD SUV

Those that actually need SUV capability won't torn between vehicle types. They know exactly what they need.

For most, it is just like fashion.

For me category 4 and 5 are big no. 2 is my sweet spot.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jun 22 2024, 08:13 PM

My only car is a GT86

no modern type R is coupe
Only old DC5R or the older EG EK series?

Perhaps the proper word to use is ’proud’. You know, some owners and tenants can be house proud … they take care of their house, keep it clean, take care of the house’s belongings etc.

Similarly some owners can be car proud. They take pride in the upkeep of their car, both externally and mechanically.

This explains a lot bro…

My 992 GTS only has 75mm ground clearance. I survive because of the optionally appointed front axle lifter which adds 40mm extra to try to prevent front lip scrape…

cleanliness i think is good
but emotional attached to tools? meaningless.

u decorate a gold ring with diamond. because diamond are way higher value.

when a human person decorate himself with a car or house
u know what his worth.


for starter, a good personality is a good decoration.

This post has been edited by ifourtos: Jun 23 2024, 09:28 AM

No one denies what you say bro.

all my sedans are lowered
no issue, scrape then scrape, so be it
next time avoid that problmatic place

its not sedan only specific, coupe wheelbase not very far from sedan depending on era of vehicle.

if anything my lowered mpv scrape even more.

owned over 10 cars, never once in my list of it will scrape lol

共勉之 bro

di rumah ada CX5 2015, Myvi 2022, Saga 2024

kalau awak ada 50K recommend try Mazda 3/6 Sedan 2014+.

This post has been edited by zroter: Jul 3 2024, 09:16 AM

Nah, those soft suspension has different problem.

They don't have front lip splitter, but rather after front wheel went over the big bump/pothole, the car sunk so much that the sub-frame/skirt/chassis got scrapped. It is worse with loaded passengers.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jun 23 2024, 07:24 PM

So you change car every year and give the old ones away to charity? Or you also never bother changing engine oil, since it is disposable.

Just because you have money doesn't mean you can waste it.

For me, I service my car religiously as according to the car manual. But I hardly ever wash my car because it is serving me, not the other way around. Beside, the rain will wash my car


This post has been edited by touristking: Jun 24 2024, 07:07 AM

proper maintenance is the right way to use any tools

emotional attached to piece of metal is not right.

Yes. Some people are paranoid when it come to servicing. They can debate endlessly about what type of oil to use etc.

In my experience, just follow what the car manual says about type and viscosity of oil to use, having engine oil related problem is as rare as being strike by lightning

not sedan anymore.. going gor big wagon or mpv.. ez to sumbat big n long things

You should opt test drive for different rides, for me my Subaru Xv from 2015 until now still give me the best fun ride especially driving around hill, windy roads area and some soft off-roading. People who test driven my Xv over the years also feedback it is very sedan like driving and did not body roll a lot, FYI my Xv most still in original setup, only add on STI struct bar in front and others still original including suspension and tire size.

I have driven from Wira 1.8 (Auto), Corolla 4AGE 20V (6-Speed manual) & even my dads E90 320d even tho straight, highway speed is great, but you will feel bored after a while with just chasing higher speed, soon you will notice about proper control/handling when driving thru different road conditions. After years of driving sedan, jump to crossover and never turn back. Still in my list i got some soft spot for proper wagon, maybe Subaru Levorg or Audi A6 Avant in future if still got a lot of cash for extra.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jun 24 2024, 01:38 PM

How about Forrester?

10/10 will buy a sedan again.

offer me Subaru sedan, ofcos i choose this.

really do not like SUVs. Sedan will still be my next purchase.

1 sedan 1 suv

next gonna be MPV

latest Forester is towards real SUV category already, it is built for family comfort, taller and bigger in size which i prefer handling is opposite of what i like.
The real Forester for me is the wagon like built like during SF/SG series, especially the real STI version with EJ20/25 engine. That era still got some great power & handling beast wagon.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jun 24 2024, 02:59 PM

Was deciding between the new CRV vs Forester but never got to test drive the Forester. Hence asking.

From what you said, Forester doesn't handle as well as VX. And VX too small in size.

Yes, but for me if compare some C-Segment SUV range, Forester handling, space & safety confirm better than CRV, only loss is dont have turbo engine and maybe for some people cannot accept the design. FYI The latest eyesight system in the Forester is one of the best ADAS in the market.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/few-small-...prevention-test

Regarding overall space & score, you can go check carlist SUV battle during 2020 in youtube, the CRV & Forester is the pre-facelift version but overall space, performance (same engine & chassis) should be similar.

Better you go test drive it with your family, FYI before getting Subaru i took my family together to go test drive Honda & Subaru cars from CRV, HRV to Xv & Forester in the end my parents decided to go for Subaru as it did not cause travel sickness, less wobbling in the corners and felt more better stability in overall driving. Usually we ask to test drive different road condition including hill areas, taman roads and highway and decide, tips: take the test drive during weekday as less people during working days/hours.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jun 25 2024, 09:26 AM

The forester they compared in video is often the 2.5 version.

sedan can o faster (more powerful because lighter), more stable and more comfortable if compared to SUV
also more economical

everyone have preference, some like sedan, some hatch back, some pickups, van or lorry, no right or wrong here.

harder to get in and out

The Forester in the video is the same as Thailand CBU unit, which is only 2.0L N/A.
Those 2.5L or 1.8T usually is AP re-con import, Motor Image Malaysia never bring in officially.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jun 25 2024, 02:39 PM

Car guys would see their beloved car as an extension of their body and soul.

That is why I discounted the Forester.

Overseas, they were comparing the CRV 1.5T vs Forestor 2.5

In the carlist SUV battle youtube video, it is the local model they are comparing, Carlist is from local Malaysia.
Even local Forester 2.0 N/A also can put a good fight against other SUV in term of overall features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBw8xDB2kPI

FYI, i got salesman friend regretted as the maintenance is not as cheap as claim. Honda turbo engine got 1 weakness is the service depends on your driving behavior. If driven hard every 6~7k it will come up the service signal, compare to normal N/A engine service interval is 6 months/10k. Besides that, during service they will try to tell you to top up upgrading to different engine oil and other addictive's (this i would recommend to ignore).
Just imagine every 6~7k service, at 20k you need spend 3 times in SC thus why his boss is saying the savings is lppl (all contra back). Unless you drive like very light foot and always on highway cruising at legal speed then might drag to around 10k. Now more & more turbo owners in CRV/Civic/HRV group all ignore the service signal and drag until 10k, really need a lot of luck after warranty ends and for the next potential 2nd hand owners. If you into turbo engine before, engine oil is the most important to help prolong the turbo and engine life and not to be taken lightly.

I prefer hatchback and estate/wagon rather than sedan. Had 2 sedans at one point and it was difficult to fit in big long boxes from Ikea. Not very practical. Right now have 2 sedans and a hatchback. But nowadays it seems like these segment are dying together with sedans. Everyone is jumping to SUVs and cross-overs.

Maybe not to that extreme extent but I know for a fact I sure sayang my cars….

I think a good compromise is a sedan/crossover with the car/ride height around Myvi/Mazda CX 30/Subaru XV is just nice so that it drives more like a sedan but at the same time not too low to get in/out.

Not many options in the market for such cars

I love sedan due to smaller tyre, more economical and very less bodyroll in corner. but in the future dont knowla. I ask my uncle, why his car is all suv, he said his knees no more oil. so he cannot bend his leg anymore. wadepak. I hope I dont kena this type of disease.

If kena this penyakit for sure need to buy suv. if not how to going in & out especially at parking lot. really mampus nia.

This post has been edited by DM52: Jun 25 2024, 11:35 PM

Eat more collagen, fish oil related items and walk/swim more (not running or into extrem sport)
My parents been eating fish oil/collagen stuff for long time (i believe over 10+ years) now over 60+ still no issue with their knees.

sedan premium, vs normal sedan cannot compare.

i said premium like Mazda 3 can fold rear seat, fold front passenger seat, and can fit big box, bicycle.. even said cramp interior.

vios, saga .. also sedan ..

I don't believe in buying a larger vehicle (i.e. SUV) just to cater for those rare occasions where one needs to transport large items back from Ikea.
That's utter nonsense.
Ikea provides delivery service for a small fee. Just use that.

A big car on long highway drive is more comfortable.

Sometimes you just gotta make it work

Folding rear seats go help at times.

My sedan premium level even bigger than the small Mazda 3 also have limitation due to the rear cross beam lah. Cannot fit my MTB in the boot, need to take off wheels and place in the back seats.
B segment sedans no need to say lar.

In this case, I didn't even need to fold the rear seats

Honestly if can avoid folding, I'd prefer so as there's a baby chair mounted on the rear seat

Folding it down would be quite a hassle unmounting the baby seat

Dats why people are flocking to SUVs…

not necessary SUV is more comfortable on highway ya.
Sedan can be planted on the floor and nicer to drive
and suspension sedan can be comfort too. SUV sometimes too high, suspension have long travel. not so comfortable.

True, centre of gravity is inherently higher in an SUV.

To counter that, you’ll need air suspension with lowering function. That’s what I have on my Cayenne and it hugs the road like it’s on rails.

I like the looks of SUVs and the space inside, but they suck to drive unless its a Cayenne, Urus, etc. (even those are not as good as their smaller brethren).
Someone mentioned the Subaru XV cross-over, for me that handles like a boat compared to my sedans and hatch, not even comparable. But will probably get a RWD EV SUV sometime in the future. Hoping that one can stay planted due to the weight of the batteries on the car floor.

Yes I continue to buy same sedan
Yes it will still scrap the bottom but sedan have more benefits than SUV

SUV is more expensive, costlier to maintain, heavier, use more fuel, poor mileage, doesn't travel far, not easy to park and most people doesn't travel off-road with it (that's the original intension to build such vehicle)

I have a Cayenne and a Macan, and to a certain extent, the Macan is easier to place on narrower streets, but I can assure you, the handling on both are actually surprisingly good for an SUV. Especially the Cayenne, with its air suspension set up, while the Macan only has the PASM sports suspension.

Good to know but unfortunately, both are not within my budget right now. Planning to move to EV next year but need to see what cars are available at that juncture. In the meantime will sell-off my oldest sedan first. Would love to keep my Peugeot 308 T9 but that will probably need to make way for the EV. Roads in Klang Valley are congested everywhere, not so fun to drive nowadays unless late night / early morning. Mainly looking forward to low maintenance cost of running EVs.

Probably will never go back to sedan due to high driving position and easier to get in and out. My priorities over sedan's handling is better.

Using a sedan and will always go with sedan.

SUV over sedan. Handling, comfort etc on our local highways where there is not much you can do, both are pretty much similar. With SUV the right tyres matter a lot. And these are not cheap and make the drive and handling so much better.

Agree. The only drawbacks IMHO with an SUV are the higher fuel consumption because of the weight and aerodynamics as well as difficulty some may find having to climb up into the SUV, as opposed to flopping down into a sedan.

Always sedan as long as there's other driver on the road, it's not like we are situated in North America to enjoy long stretches of highways.

I can deploy defensive driving with a sedan since the center is within acceptable grip, vehicle is just a means of transport anyway so the easier it is repair, maintain and sustain the better it is as part of life arsenal.

Every car if you know its limitation can also deploy defensive driving, there are defensive training course in Malaysia which cater for different rides. When i bought my Xv, Subaru gave free defensive training and i learn how to proper do all those emergency maneuvering, learn about how ABS & VSC work and to drive in safe distance at highway and foresee at least 2 cars ahead to estimate the next move in my own car with the advisor/trainer sitting besides me. If all the car manufacturer give this kind of defensive training to all new car users, i believe the accident rate can reduce a lot.

Big SUV vs small SUV
Big Sedan vs small sedan.

Big is generally more comfortable on highway

Very subjective, majority maybe yes but for me & family if the suspension system sucks and drive like a boat even big SUV/sedan my family would be sick inside sitting for long hours. Like 1 case example my mom, even my cousins Volvo S80 fetch her from Penang until Genting, she complain the suspension too "comfort", halfway to Genting on the hill roads she already cannot tahan and vomit.

I fully agree with your statement!!!!

No matter how well set up the system or suspension is, it boils down to driver and passenger preference.

I can’t stand the wafting and the suppleness of my wife’s W223 S450 even with its airmatic suspension. On long drives, I get nauseated but she loves the pillowy comfort it gives her.

She can’t stand my 911 with the factory lowered 10mm sports suspension with helper springs … I love how that makes the car stick to the road like it’s on rails but she feels every gravel on the road and that makes her hurt.

It doesn’t matter if you have the best suspension in the world if the passenger doesn’t get it.

get your mum to sit in small SUV/Sedan and big SUV/Sedan and make an apple to apple comparison

Bro, my dad like to test drive different new cars when launch and my mom always accompany him.
Not all big or small cars can be accepted, depends on the rides, suspension settings they are a lot of factors to consider in.

Shit. Now im feeling a bit of remorse .

Im getting old, hard to lounge bulky and long items on sedan.

Next car will be an SUV or hatchback for sure

That's why I bought a cheap Naza Ria for carrying anything 8ft up by removing all the seats and tinted the rear windows 95% dark as per JPJ rules.

must sit behind to test... back seat almost on top of axle can really feel it...

it's either the accord/civic or the CRV. The legs have the final say.

LoL, Van or MPV also got a lot of legs room but sadly many also in my parents reject list.

Van. Some need to step up. Leg complain
MPV. Manufacturers has abandoned this sector. Exora was one of the best, if not the best, leg wise.

Oddly enough the BYD Seal doesnt suffer from the same scrapping issue as the Model 3.

Btw if you live in a multi car household, dont get the same type of car as the one you already have

This post has been edited by Boy96: Jul 4 2024, 01:06 AM