QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 16 2024, 04:47 PM)
Motivation
I'm looking to diversify into value stocks to complement my current portfolio that is increasingly skewed towards US market and the tech giants which are the major market movers of late.
Existing portfolio
LSE:VWRA
LSE:CSPX
A few other company stocks but let's ignore that.
My investment "flavour"
- I am a long term investor (plan to hold for +/-20 years)
- prefer minimal manual investment work to minimise my emotions/biases into every manual action.
- I have IBKR and already have scheduled investment.
- I tried but find myself turned off by stock picking and understanding corporate financials.
Questions
Currently I've bookmarked these after searching on ETF sites:
- LSE:WSML -- iShares MSCI World Small Cap
Irish domiciled
World diversified
LSE:R2US -- SPDR Russell US Small Cap
See below
LSE:R1VL -- iShares Russell 1000 Value
This ETF kinda matches what I want: I don't really like the idea of betting on small companies as they've proven to be less resilient in hard times, so I'm looking for mid cap. Additionally, there's also the distinction between value vs growth... I'm inclined towards the former -- you can think of this as my little gamble, hoping to capture something currently undervalued because everyone's focused on the other side.
My biggest problem with this ETF is that it's still US based. I couldn't find a similar ETF but for world/non-US market.
NYSE:VOE -- Vanguard Mid-Cap Value ETF
As above, but diversify on investment company.
Edit: eh I forgot to ask after writing a wall
So my questions... what do you think about these ETFs?
Any alternative to the above that I found so far?
Opinions about my line of thoughts also welcome... Pls don't roast ya 🙏
Thank you!
Halo I'm looking to diversify into value stocks to complement my current portfolio that is increasingly skewed towards US market and the tech giants which are the major market movers of late.
Existing portfolio
LSE:VWRA
LSE:CSPX
A few other company stocks but let's ignore that.
My investment "flavour"
- I am a long term investor (plan to hold for +/-20 years)
- prefer minimal manual investment work to minimise my emotions/biases into every manual action.
- I have IBKR and already have scheduled investment.
- I tried but find myself turned off by stock picking and understanding corporate financials.
Questions
Currently I've bookmarked these after searching on ETF sites:
- LSE:WSML -- iShares MSCI World Small Cap
Irish domiciled
World diversified
LSE:R2US -- SPDR Russell US Small Cap
See below
LSE:R1VL -- iShares Russell 1000 Value
This ETF kinda matches what I want: I don't really like the idea of betting on small companies as they've proven to be less resilient in hard times, so I'm looking for mid cap. Additionally, there's also the distinction between value vs growth... I'm inclined towards the former -- you can think of this as my little gamble, hoping to capture something currently undervalued because everyone's focused on the other side.
My biggest problem with this ETF is that it's still US based. I couldn't find a similar ETF but for world/non-US market.
NYSE:VOE -- Vanguard Mid-Cap Value ETF
As above, but diversify on investment company.
Edit: eh I forgot to ask after writing a wall
So my questions... what do you think about these ETFs?
Any alternative to the above that I found so far?
Opinions about my line of thoughts also welcome... Pls don't roast ya 🙏
Thank you!
If you are purely buy-and-hold and believe in the index providers then I think just let the markets move on its own.
Many decades ago in the 1980s during Pax Japonica, Japanese stocks account for 44% of MSCI World Index as well. The proportion has since declined to just single digit %, but MSCI World Index still exists to this day.
So, the index will rebalance itself over time. If you attempt to diversify on your own you might end up underperforming the index in the long run.
If you are are really concerned about concentration pick a global equity ETF which track MSCI World or FTSE All-World Index rather than purely S&P 500 (e.g., heavier weights on VWRA rather than CSPX). That way your returns are correlated to S&P 500 or major US indices but not moving entirely the same way as just a purely US ETF.
It's important to recognize that mid and small caps are less liquid than large cap stocks (-> higher trading fees -> higher ETF expense ratio) and the lack of cash in most of those companies' balance sheet make them underperform in a high interest rate world. They also tend to be more volatile than large cap counters.
Lastly, try not to touch thematic investment themes like "value", "growth" etc... these ETFs don't outperform the main index in the long run... They are created by "smart" fund managers to harvest your "fees and commissions"... You see a lot of AI-themed ETFs recently for a reason... and not too long ago, we have ESG-themed ETFs...go further some more years, we have... clean energy... climate change...
One theme may perform well in a year but falters quickly in the coming years...(clean energy did very badly in 2022 when interest rates went up and oil prices spiked) But you are sure it's your fund managers who walk home with your money. Try to google "thematic investing/investment underperform" and you will see why. If they tell you you can broaden your scope of "themes", then you might as well ask yourself why not just buy the whole market, aka. VWRA/URTH etc.?
Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.
References:
https://archive.ph/J2NWY
https://archive.ph/FXsIk
https://www.wsj.com/articles/investors-love...share_permalink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCI_World
Jun 16 2024, 07:41 PM

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