I call that pragmatic rather than dull. Last week against Ipswich was the first time in years our team practise time wasting around the 80 mins mark. Over the years we conceded too many chances late game on counter attack.

New manager impact usually happens to team with their manager sacked and on a poor run of form. Ours abit different though

All three wanted to leave. Different case to salah.

Don't think we played badly. We play ugly but quite well. Kept the ball well in tight areas, didn't give needless possession away, no mistakes from the back, some nice interception and generally restricted Chelsea to almost no clear cut chances in the 2nd half (they are iinm the 2nd top scorer in the league).

Maybe I'm the only one but real Madrid game plays no significance. Given the new format, it doesn't matter if we finish 1st or 8th. Given we are first now, why not just give the big guns a rest and play all the kids against RM, doesn't matter much even If we were to lose

This is a billion dollar business we are talking about. Imagine salah go out injured against RM and we went on poor run of form bcoz of that, all for a match that carries no significance.

Furthermore, it's not like planning to do something cynical or ugly like mourinho team. It is more deliberate squad management due to hectic schedule and lack of squad depth

Seedings doesn't necessarily favor us seeing many big teams are behind in league standing. Ie real Madrid.

There was one season where klopp played salah in an unnecessary game and he picked up an injury and given the margin is so small these days we are always one injury to salah or vvd away from a drop in result

Robertson committed the foul for mbappe missed penalty too. Really unlucky these past few weeks.

I think it's a tactic to allow Trent to take up position just outside of the box on the left to take long shot. He took 2 from corner, one missed narrowly another one blasted over

Usually like this means sucker punch coming soon haha

City upped their tempo. Lvp fans blood pressure upped too

Diaz plays as striker. Same like vs leverkusen

Jones will come on soon.

Salah getting desperate

He committed a terrible mistake though. Kelleher bailed him out.

Anyway, don't care if nunez will ever be profilic. He is a proper liverpool player

This post has been edited by chaukeng: Dec 2 2024, 01:59 AM

I think we won 9?

He usually behave like that out of frustration over his own performance

He always added 'as things stand', 'at the moment'. Sounds alot like the ex-girlfriend who never wanted a break up lol

This post has been edited by chaukeng: Dec 2 2024, 11:37 AM

I've been thinking about this, from a pure business perspective. Is it worth it to spend extra and aim to win the league; or financially it will be better to spend 'just enough' to stay on top 4. We are fans and we don't care since it's not our money we are spending.

Ie, the owner may analyse it this way, by not extending van dijk for another 3 years, I'm possibly saving 100-150k per week (including salary for a lesser replacement). Thats around 15 million in 3 seasons. During these years, what's the odd of us winning the league with van dijk, and/or maintaining top 4 or winning the league without van dijk. What if, deriving from their data model, they found extending van dijk contract for an extra 15 millions only likely wins us one extra league title out of the 3 seasons; and that will translate to less than 15 million extra prize money (for example). So In this case, should we extend van dijk deal for 3 years?

Also, van dijk and Salah may point to the owner and say Liverpool is top now because of our performance, so we deserve this and this. The owner too can say, this is the best company at the world now, considering you are now a senior employee, this is how much /long we are offering, so take it or leave it else if we budge, it's not just you three, but the rest of your teammates will take your case and knock on our door.

So as much as I want them to sign asap, just trying to look at things from the clubs perspective.

This post has been edited by chaukeng: Dec 31 2024, 04:52 AM

Having been in retail business for quite some time, I have come to realize no employees are indispensable to the company; no matter how many sales they brought in. If our own company product is good, the new salesperson will be able to deliver the goods eventually. On the context of Liverpool, thus far we have also proven this with the likes of Torres and coutinho. The club also have a proven track record of replacing our star players properly.

Anyway, of course I want all 3 to stay. Just trying to understand the situation from the owner perspective because the chances of all three staying are slim.

This I dun agree. I think we do have a product on the pitch. That's the system we play, the culture we build and the atmosphere surrounding players. Even though intangible, but it means whenever a new player comes in they are more likely to play well than not. We only have to look at manu to understand what this means.

Regarding this statement 'we should be challenging every year' goes back to my earlier argument. How important are these titles or trophies mean to the club owner? They own the club, not us. We are Liverpool fans, they are not. We have to understand from their point of view what owning Liverpool means to them. If sustainability and profit are their main priorities, then there's no chance we should expect them to go all out and risk it, just for a higher chance of winning trophies that will mean not much to them ( prize money aside).

with Liverpool it's always not so much about transfer fees but more consideration on weekly wages. Player's wage affects sustainability more than a one time transfer fee. So concurrently renewing all three players contract for around 300k each (and the subsequent effect of having players like Diaz and konate knocking on the door and asking for 200k and above will be disastrous for the club if somehow, unexpectedly we do not see success on the pitch after their renewal.

Can we confirm consistent success after all three renewal,no. Are we a club that can afford to have so many players on high wages and not having enough prize money? The answer is no too.

If we are looking for the after effect of breaking player's wage barrier. We only have to look at the Salah renewal three years ago and how taa and van dijk are asking for the same numbers

This post has been edited by chaukeng: Dec 31 2024, 11:55 AM

Like I said, what we want and what mu fans want are irrelevant. FSG owns Liverpool FC, they decide what they want to do with it.

FSG will be looking at Manu and casemiro as precedence. Handing out a huge contact for an ageing player and are now stuck with him after his decline (can't sell, and no extra wage budget for new player). Once we hands out huge contract to players, current or new players will know LFC is willing and able to pay, then the demand will all come. For instance we've signed someone like Nunez on 120k per week, whereas mu has signed Antony on maybe 180-200k per week. Now both players are not performing up to expectation. There will be no less suitor for Nunez on maybe 40-50m at 120k per week. But who will take Antony for 200k per week? Now that Antony is stuck and not performing, mu needs to go and sign another replacement and also pay him 200k per week. It's a vicious cycle and more so for a club like LFC who is on a self sustaining business model.