
https://carnewschina.com/2023/06/20/byd-mad...reets-in-china/
BYD venturing new retro car market.
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May 17 2024, 01:22 AM, updated 2y ago
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Yes it is untapped. At the moment the only thing available is retro converted to EV. But CN is probably the first to make a completely inspired by vehicle in EV form without reusing old chassis. I think the first we ever came about this with a new chassis and retro inspired design is the Hyundai N75. But this BYD seems production ready with pricing. ![]() https://carnewschina.com/2023/06/20/byd-mad...reets-in-china/ babisotong liked this post
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May 17 2024, 07:10 AM
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modern car with retro design.... i thought mitsuoka have been doing it all their life? Capt. Marble, lordgamer3, and 1 other liked this post
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May 17 2024, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(68 others @ May 17 2024, 07:10 AM) Mitsuoka did it only with ICE. Last 15 years Retro restore mod/ convert ICE famous cars like Lancia Delta. Then came resto convert EV phase around 10 years ago. Mostly transplanting TESLA guts into another car. Now BYD makes EV retro inspired without using original chassis. The bottom chassis/ battery could be a BYD Dolphin judging by the naming scheme. RalphRatedR, babisotong, and 1 other liked this post
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May 17 2024, 03:19 PM
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nice..
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May 17 2024, 03:22 PM
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why use american corvette pulak
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May 17 2024, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(anakkk @ May 17 2024, 03:22 PM) USA have a lot of nice legacy car designs. And if they decide to market it in USA it would be easier to recognize the design.Which is why Hyundai tried it with N75 prototype. Which is delorean inspired. Which company failed? Mitsuoka tried it with British inspired Ryuga. But it dit not work out. This post has been edited by netmatrix: May 17 2024, 03:48 PM |
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May 17 2024, 03:52 PM
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Saturation of retro cars inkambing
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May 17 2024, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(TruboXL @ May 17 2024, 03:52 PM) Not likely. Look at the pricing. It's premium. Even retro conversation is more expensive than buying modern car. RalphRatedR liked this post
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May 17 2024, 03:54 PM
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China car feel like cheap feng tau and ah lian no tq
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May 17 2024, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ May 17 2024, 03:54 PM) Byd is probably the only CN company that can pass euro ANCAP and match any euro brand in build quality. They purchased the right euro company like Volvo to transfer tech know how to their car making business. |
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May 17 2024, 03:59 PM
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May 17 2024, 04:30 PM
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I wonder how are the safety of old designed cars.
They were designed according to decades old safety regulations. |
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May 17 2024, 04:37 PM
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May 17 2024, 04:37 PM
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May 17 2024, 06:54 PM
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IMO design really not bad.
Hope the quality is good. |
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May 17 2024, 09:09 PM
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MINI already have converting it's classic for sell in UK. Wish it will bring over to Malaysia.
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May 18 2024, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 17 2024, 03:47 PM) USA have a lot of nice legacy car designs. And if they decide to market it in USA it would be easier to recognize the design. american not let them in alsoWhich is why Hyundai tried it with N75 prototype. Which is delorean inspired. Which company failed? Mitsuoka tried it with British inspired Ryuga. But it dit not work out. now look at MG also I no appetitte, don't mention if I am american saw a corvette bear a BYD name on it |
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May 18 2024, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(vodka @ May 17 2024, 09:09 PM) MINI already have converting it's classic for sell in UK. Wish it will bring over to Malaysia. JPJ very stricthttps://rechargedheritage.co.uk |
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May 20 2024, 03:53 PM
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May 20 2024, 04:05 PM
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May 20 2024, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ May 20 2024, 04:05 PM) Nissan partly to blame due to substandard quality at that time. This was the Ghosn time. Where suddenly Renault product are better quality than Nissan somehow. it was like a cyclerenault was using good stuff from nissan nissan was experimenting with shit from renault to get that european flair and make use of the technology transfer end up nissan become shit because shit from renault nissan shit renault good renault take tech from nissan now renault also shit now turn-turn also shit |
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May 21 2024, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(zenix @ May 20 2024, 04:47 PM) it was like a cycle Judging from this logic. We must be afraid of European buying into Asian car makers.renault was using good stuff from nissan nissan was experimenting with shit from renault to get that european flair and make use of the technology transfer end up nissan become shit because shit from renault nissan shit renault good renault take tech from nissan now renault also shit now turn-turn also shit Is VW buying into Xpeng worrisome? Is Stellantis buying into Leapmotor worrisome? But we must remember Nissan needed rescue back then. So they are very submissive to Renault at the end Now do Asian car makers these days need rescuing? Or is it actually the other way round partly? What do u think? |
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May 21 2024, 09:19 AM
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May 21 2024, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ May 21 2024, 09:03 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Your judgement is wrong because you generalise it. It is not generally things from Europe are shit but mostly are shit But in the case of Renault x Nissan, Carlos Ghosn was just the evil behind it all. He was playing Renault and Nissan with his left and right hands, having positions in both companies. Cheaper stuff from Japan going to Renault. Then old tech from Renault forced down Nissan's throat. Yeah, like how we laugh at Najib (politician) propose something for Najib (MOF) to validate it for Najib (PM) to approve it. VW is a giant don't compare it with failing automakers like Renault. Before the market shift in May, every automaker rush to diversify and improve their EV offerings. Deals take time so us on the outside might think why VW doing it now. Stellantis born from combining Fiat and Pug, both brands are jaguh kampung. Leapmotor is a new boy in the electric game. It is the right time to buy into Leapmotor. After listing they have been producing better products. 20% stake doesn't give Stellantis any leverage in Leapmotor but it gives them access to technology transfer. Something they would really find useful because they can design beautiful and quirky cars with great marketing behind it but haven't had luck sourcing good drivetrains. Even the venture of Prince engine, BMW While the vanilla one was used in Citroens and their luxury brand DS, and Pug. I see the deal as a win for both sides if they don't fuck it up. Asian car makers is a big market, this includes India, SK and Japan. I don't really read up much about the Indian car makers but iinm except for Tata acquiring Land Rover and Jaguar from Ford, the others are mostly successful JV with Japanese companies, e.g. Maruti Suzuki is like Proton/Perodua a government driven initiative and JV with a successful Japanese brand. I think overall their internal demand is high but Tata and Mahindra aren't doing too well outside of India except Land Rover & Jaguar because of badge appeal. In Japan, Mazda was struggling but they seem to have come out of that funk. Subaru has joined the fold of Toyota. Nissan and Mitsubishi are hugging each other to weather the storm. i see either one doing what Ford is doing, focusing more on commercial vehicles and selling their hot cars like Evo, Skyline and Fairlady only, or JV with either Mazda or Honda as these two are very good with passenger cars now but don't have strong offerings for pickup trucks and commercial vehicles. Things can change quickly though. QUOTE(68 others @ May 21 2024, 09:19 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « yup they do they could've been so much more but it seems like the timing was off and although they're not struggling, they're far from what could have been but they found their niche of producing low quantity quirky and unique cars that aren't beige boxes on the road orochi was a marketing disaster but luckily it didn't sink the company i recall 90s-00s they were still using a lot of nissan's and exported to exclusive dealers around the world citing unique designs but with under nissan underpinnings upkeep is low comparatively. if they were successful then they would've become bigger by now. i really like the rock star, reminds me of a vette stringray |
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May 21 2024, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(zenix @ May 21 2024, 11:23 AM) [/spoiler] I was merely asking questions to gather thoughts...If one say certain car maker is sh*t and the car co they bought is becoming sh*t,I am questing the logic of sh*t buying sh*tYour judgement is wrong because you generalise it. It is not generally things from Europe are shit but mostly are shit But in the case of Renault x Nissan, Carlos Ghosn was just the evil behind it all. He was playing Renault and Nissan with his left and right hands, having positions in both companies. Cheaper stuff from Japan going to Renault. Then old tech from Renault forced down Nissan's throat. Yeah, like how we laugh at Najib (politician) propose something for Najib (MOF) to validate it for Najib (PM) to approve it. VW is a giant don't compare it with failing automakers like Renault. Before the market shift in May, every automaker rush to diversify and improve their EV offerings. Deals take time so us on the outside might think why VW doing it now. Stellantis born from combining Fiat and Pug, both brands are jaguh kampung. Leapmotor is a new boy in the electric game. It is the right time to buy into Leapmotor. After listing they have been producing better products. 20% stake doesn't give Stellantis any leverage in Leapmotor but it gives them access to technology transfer. Something they would really find useful because they can design beautiful and quirky cars with great marketing behind it but haven't had luck sourcing good drivetrains. Even the venture of Prince engine, BMW While the vanilla one was used in Citroens and their luxury brand DS, and Pug. I see the deal as a win for both sides if they don't fuck it up. Asian car makers is a big market, this includes India, SK and Japan. I don't really read up much about the Indian car makers but iinm except for Tata acquiring Land Rover and Jaguar from Ford, the others are mostly successful JV with Japanese companies, e.g. Maruti Suzuki is like Proton/Perodua a government driven initiative and JV with a successful Japanese brand. I think overall their internal demand is high but Tata and Mahindra aren't doing too well outside of India except Land Rover & Jaguar because of badge appeal. In Japan, Mazda was struggling but they seem to have come out of that funk. Subaru has joined the fold of Toyota. Nissan and Mitsubishi are hugging each other to weather the storm. i see either one doing what Ford is doing, focusing more on commercial vehicles and selling their hot cars like Evo, Skyline and Fairlady only, or JV with either Mazda or Honda as these two are very good with passenger cars now but don't have strong offerings for pickup trucks and commercial vehicles. Things can change quickly though. [/spoiler] yup they do they could've been so much more but it seems like the timing was off and although they're not struggling, they're far from what could have been but they found their niche of producing low quantity quirky and unique cars that aren't beige boxes on the road orochi was a marketing disaster but luckily it didn't sink the company i recall 90s-00s they were still using a lot of nissan's and exported to exclusive dealers around the world citing unique designs but with under nissan underpinnings upkeep is low comparatively. if they were successful then they would've become bigger by now. i really like the rock star, reminds me of a vette stringray |
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